Frenchy Cannoli
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Yes Mr Skunkman!
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Frenchy Cannoli
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Forgot that you invented pure resin Mr Skunkman.
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Luther Burbank
French, you're not really refuting his claims, and taking shots undermines your argument. I've to disagree with you as well on this topic. Pressing is a taste preference but there's no science behind pressed resin becoming more pure over time.
Frenchy Cannoli
Member
There is no science behind Luther we all agree on it, but my experience of it should count just a tiny beat instead I am treated like the word ignorant was re-invented for me so I do take shots after being shot at with no scientific evidences of the opposite. The fact that there is no scientific studies on pressing should work both way but I guess not with you guys .
Hi Frenchy
Your observations are valuable.
The point I am trying to communicate to you deals not with you observations, but your conclusions.
The scientific method is not the natural mode of human thought. It was developed over a long period of time, and key elements of it are counter-intuitive. It must be practiced consciously until it becomes habit, til you replace the normal, everyday type of thinking almost all people employ.
One of the important concepts encompassed by the scientific method is the order in which you carry out the operations.
This is the fastest path to the truth that we currently have.
Normal day to day thinking usually does not follow this algorithm. Natural human thinking is more like this:
This algorithm is called "confirmation bias" by logicians. It is one of the most prevalent logical fallacies that hinder the progress of understanding.
I agree with you that resin changes when you press it, and continues to change over time once it is pressed.
As the judgement over which is "better", this is a a subjective preference, and is not in the domain of science.
So, the observation that it changes is good. Details as to the nature of the change are good too, as long as they are observations (looks different in these ways, smells different in this manner, texture changes in this way etc) and not conclusions (resin corrodes plant matter). Sometimes it is hard not to mix the two. An example is saying "I observe that the green plant matter is no longer there." This is incorrect. The correct observation is "I can no longer distinguish the green matter visually." This second statement contains no conclusions, it just states fact. You can't see the green stuff anymore. The conclusion "it is no longer there" is unsupported by evidence.
You then ask yourself, "Why can't I see the green stuff?" Is it gone? Is it just changed in appearance so it blends in with the other components" etc etc.
Then design experiments to test possible explanations.
THEN, form conclusions.
Then try to find flaws in the conclusion as vigorously as possible.
Report results to community.
HERE IS THE WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE ON CONFIRMATION BIAS
It is fun talking with you.
Now I will go collect data on the effect that the consumption of very clean resin has on my mood and cognition!
Your observations are valuable.
The point I am trying to communicate to you deals not with you observations, but your conclusions.
The scientific method is not the natural mode of human thought. It was developed over a long period of time, and key elements of it are counter-intuitive. It must be practiced consciously until it becomes habit, til you replace the normal, everyday type of thinking almost all people employ.
One of the important concepts encompassed by the scientific method is the order in which you carry out the operations.
- observation
- develop candidate explanations for observations
- carry out experiments designed to disprove the various candidate explanations
- draw conclusions
This is the fastest path to the truth that we currently have.
Normal day to day thinking usually does not follow this algorithm. Natural human thinking is more like this:
- observation
- formulate explanation, draw conclusion
- look for evidence that supports the conclusion that has been drawn
This algorithm is called "confirmation bias" by logicians. It is one of the most prevalent logical fallacies that hinder the progress of understanding.
I agree with you that resin changes when you press it, and continues to change over time once it is pressed.
As the judgement over which is "better", this is a a subjective preference, and is not in the domain of science.
So, the observation that it changes is good. Details as to the nature of the change are good too, as long as they are observations (looks different in these ways, smells different in this manner, texture changes in this way etc) and not conclusions (resin corrodes plant matter). Sometimes it is hard not to mix the two. An example is saying "I observe that the green plant matter is no longer there." This is incorrect. The correct observation is "I can no longer distinguish the green matter visually." This second statement contains no conclusions, it just states fact. You can't see the green stuff anymore. The conclusion "it is no longer there" is unsupported by evidence.
You then ask yourself, "Why can't I see the green stuff?" Is it gone? Is it just changed in appearance so it blends in with the other components" etc etc.
Then design experiments to test possible explanations.
THEN, form conclusions.
Then try to find flaws in the conclusion as vigorously as possible.
Report results to community.
HERE IS THE WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE ON CONFIRMATION BIAS
It is fun talking with you.
Now I will go collect data on the effect that the consumption of very clean resin has on my mood and cognition!
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Luther Burbank
My only point is physical material isn't eaten up in impure hash by aging it. Just physically impossible.
Frenchy Cannoli
Member
No more comments, see you soon DSW
Frenchy Cannoli
Member
Mofeta I did not give conclusions just hypotheses, English is a second language so sorry if you were mislead, the reason of the "confrontation" is because I actually dare check the science behind certain facts given by others as conclusions. Something has been lost in translation, somewhere!
Frenchy Cannoli
Member
DSW we will see each other and do a session together so what is the point to keep going on the loupe.
Nonetheless I will give you an example of an experience I had and that is shared by many in India. I am knot sure if you have experienced the making of Charas.
Again you will have to trust me on that which you don't but anyway, when you have in your hands 2 to 5 grammes of resin spread out that took a few hours to make, you are very conscious of its cleanliness and its quality, yes even without tools, and I have seen my Charas getting cleaner overtime. Again no science behind just a Dude who experienced it first hand for a few seasons, but if you know people who have made cream in India just ask and see if I had hallucinations.
So seriously DSW would you stop already. I have been repeating that we will work together the same trims with TC filming and as I say he got a brand new macro just for us, plenty close up to keep you happy and anybody who like macro that will be watching it later.
I will even go further and run of the same trims with ice water, then I will lab tests the results of the 3 techniques before and after pressing (not yours obviously) and I guess we may as well test the same hash over a 12 weeks period. tests will include: purity, terpenes profiles, cannabinoids amount, etc. the full spectrum.
Will that make you happy and could we stop the kindergarden bull…
Thanks
Nonetheless I will give you an example of an experience I had and that is shared by many in India. I am knot sure if you have experienced the making of Charas.
Again you will have to trust me on that which you don't but anyway, when you have in your hands 2 to 5 grammes of resin spread out that took a few hours to make, you are very conscious of its cleanliness and its quality, yes even without tools, and I have seen my Charas getting cleaner overtime. Again no science behind just a Dude who experienced it first hand for a few seasons, but if you know people who have made cream in India just ask and see if I had hallucinations.
So seriously DSW would you stop already. I have been repeating that we will work together the same trims with TC filming and as I say he got a brand new macro just for us, plenty close up to keep you happy and anybody who like macro that will be watching it later.
I will even go further and run of the same trims with ice water, then I will lab tests the results of the 3 techniques before and after pressing (not yours obviously) and I guess we may as well test the same hash over a 12 weeks period. tests will include: purity, terpenes profiles, cannabinoids amount, etc. the full spectrum.
Will that make you happy and could we stop the kindergarden bull…
Thanks
Frenchy Cannoli
Member
You are not trying to be combative, wow really!
You have no clue about Charas and India so I would not go there if I was you.
So seriously what is the point to say again and again and some more that I am such a jerk not to look at my resin with a scope. We got it or at least I do. Thanks!
Could you seriously stop and would you agree to talk about it when we have compared our sieving techniques with videos and pics.
The Cup is soon so that we can smoke each other resin to get to know what each of us do and then soon after we will have a dream session.
You have no clue about Charas and India so I would not go there if I was you.
So seriously what is the point to say again and again and some more that I am such a jerk not to look at my resin with a scope. We got it or at least I do. Thanks!
Could you seriously stop and would you agree to talk about it when we have compared our sieving techniques with videos and pics.
The Cup is soon so that we can smoke each other resin to get to know what each of us do and then soon after we will have a dream session.
Frenchy Cannoli
Member
See you at the Cup, I will be at the Aficionado and TGA booths
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Luther Burbank
Mon ami, get your culottes out of a bunch. You're not being attacked you're just not being taken as an expert at face value.
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tropicannayeah
I can make 2-5g of high quality in a few minutes with high quality trim and popcorn nugs,
2 ~ 5 grams in a few minutes!....that's a bit of an exaggeration isn't it! You run a small handful of trim at a time, then move and clean frames, scrape up the resin, etc etc then work another small handful..3 or 4 grams in a few minutes? unlikely..Two men with large size screens might be able to yield a gram every few minutes with that gentle two screen technique.
2 ~ 5 grams in a few minutes!....that's a bit of an exaggeration isn't it! You run a small handful of trim at a time, then move and clean frames, scrape up the resin, etc etc then work another small handful..3 or 4 grams in a few minutes? unlikely..Two men with large size screens might be able to yield a gram every few minutes with that gentle two screen technique.
DrySiftWizrd
Member
I don't think people completely grasp what i'm doing.
No, it's not an exaggeration. I've made single handfuls that produced a gram or two. Use perfectly clipped (at the stem) whole sweet leaf with some nicely dried popcorns and watch what happens my friend.
Most people murder their trim, or do it wet lol. We specifically for this purpose, waited til plants/tops were mostly dry.. all fans were pulled immediately after chopchop.. so all you are left with is nice heads and easy to access fan/sweet leaf full of resin.
Don't murder it prior to sifting it and you'd be amazed
There is a prep to this, just like anything else, it's just that most are not doing it yet.
great brozini
Active member
Pic looks familiar Many better pics out there too
I've been following the discussions on a few threads, and I think the whole convo can be summarized in a single statement...
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Whatever those claims may be
The statement that resin glands become corrosive when pressed and dissolve plant material and is right up there...
Same with pressing resin will increase potency and terps. Counter intutive to many of us here, so again, extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence.
DSW got a whole lot of shit for a few months for claiming he could produce 99%+ in ~15seconds before he posted his repeatable results.
Why is Frency getting so much shit about the pics?? That's the only way many of us can communicate. No scratch and sniffs or smoke tests over the net, so we go with macros and melt shots to demonstrate purity... Something to consider, even though your pressed resin shot did look absolutely tasty
Either way, I love coming to the hashish forum everyday and seeing this level of banter. Makes it worthwhile to sign in again, so please don't get discouraged, and continue to spread your methods, everyone!
Many better pics out there too I've been following the discussions on a few threads, and I think the whole convo can be summarized in a single statement...
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Whatever those claims may be
The statement that resin glands become corrosive when pressed and dissolve plant material and is right up there...
Same with pressing resin will increase potency and terps. Counter intutive to many of us here, so again, extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence.
DSW got a whole lot of shit for a few months for claiming he could produce 99%+ in ~15seconds before he posted his repeatable results.
Why is Frency getting so much shit about the pics?? That's the only way many of us can communicate. No scratch and sniffs or smoke tests over the net, so we go with macros and melt shots to demonstrate purity... Something to consider, even though your pressed resin shot did look absolutely tasty
Either way, I love coming to the hashish forum everyday and seeing this level of banter. Makes it worthwhile to sign in again, so please don't get discouraged, and continue to spread your methods, everyone!
Frenchy Cannoli
Member
The increase in potency has scientific backup, pressing with a source of heat activate the cannabinoids, the process is called decarboxylation.
Is decarboxylation increases strength? only to be eaten.
Charas and dry sift are two totally different animals, I can see that charas can possibly eat the plant fiber and change, usually a little mold, however in true 99.9 dry sift there is no plant matter to speak of.
Frenchy Cannoli
Member
No because the liver process the cannabinoids when you eat that is the reason also why the high is different.
Mahmoud A. ElSohly, PhD, Research Professor at the Research Institute of Pharmaceutical Sciences at the University of Mississippi, stated the following in a Dec. 19, 2005 interview with the Journal of the International Hemp Association:
The material taken orally goes through the liver and is converted to the 11-hydroxy metabolite, which is 4-5 times more potent in terms of psychoactivity, before getting into the bloodstream, and the profile of these two drugs is quite different."
What he calls "material", THCa or ∆9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)?
