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[JamieShoes]

Here's the strain description for Santa Maria (aka Planck) mate - I think it ticks a few of your boxes...and apparently can give you the horn..lol

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This tall sativa-dominant blend originates from unclassified Brazilian sativas that have been used for generations in spiritual rituals throughout the Amazon. Shortly after making its way to the Netherlands the original genetics were crossed with Mexican Haze and Silver Pearl and then backcrossed over multiple generations to improve the stability of the genetics. Out of respect for the plant's spiritual legacy, this new crossbreed was renamed and can often be found under the moniker Planck. Santa Maria is known for its rapid flowering time which makes it an attractive option for those who enjoy the uplifting effects but dislike the extended bloom cycle typical of sativa varieties. With hints of fruit and flowery flavors, the effects are described as long-lasting and energetic. This strain has been known to spice things up as it is regularly applauded for its arousing effects.


note it has a flower time of 8-9.5 weeks... unlike many Jack crosses which will happily run 10-13+ .. that said, Jack is a special kind of plant and worth the wait.. it's always a balancing act

 

[DoDad]

and apparently can give you the horn..lol

If it supplies the means to use it, I'll FIND the grow room to grow it.

 

[DoDad]

note it has a flower time of 8-9.5 weeks... unlike many Jack crosses which will happily run 10-13+ .. that said, Jack is a special kind of plant and worth the wait.. it's always a balancing act

That Jacky white claims 9 weeks. Couldn't i just run that 12/12 from seed or with only a 2 week veg?

 

[DoDad]

¿And what you think there is behind those names in a 75%more or less?Skunk-Afghan, Afghan-Skunk.
You have afghans with that so called "CBD effect".

I can only go by what they elect to tell me. Also I can vape at different temps to give me different effects.

It will be interesting to see if I can tell any difference in any of it.

Good seeds mean to me, not seeds from a $60 an oz schwag bag. Seeds from a reputable grower that has shown success in the past would be what I consider good seeds. Seeds that are sold are usually better that free seeds for a reason.

I'm growing bag seeds and more "reputable" seeds right now in this first grow and the store bought seeds are out producing the bag seeds 100 to 1. For flower production, it's not even close.

 

[aridbud]

Find out about the strain, if you are purchasing or buying clones and how they are grown.

If they are sativa dominant, it takes a l-o-n-g time for harvest even at 12/12 or 13/11 hrs. Hybrids might be the way to go.

I've venture to say most of us did trial by error method.

We grew indoors and out from bag seed for a decade before buying from Marc Emory's catalog in the 1980's, then trying different strains in the Netherlands and Portugal, later in Spain to find out what we liked. Later bought from the big dog seed companies and other auction sites before developing our own strains (autoflowers).

RESEARCH is the best possible way to know what to grow.

Or JUST DO IT!

Good luck!

 

[JamieShoes]

That Jacky white claims 9 weeks. Couldn't i just run that 12/12 from seed or with only a 2 week veg?

yes you could, expect it to go 10 weeks on the first run and 9 on clone runs thereafter... depends how mature you like your buds to be, but I tend to find I need to add a week on seed runs based on breeder descriptions..

 

[JamieShoes]

seeds are a funny thing eh.. they are an unknown.. a seed from the roughest bag of shwag in the world could potentially produce the finest herb.. there is no way to tell what genetics are locked up in a seed even after smoking the bud it came out of.. not to mention we cannot know how a bud was grown or handled (mishandled) so again the bud is no real indication of a seeds potential...

a few examples of famous bag seeds... Chemdawg, is bagseed.. bagseed from awesome bud but it's bag seed... This years winner of the Sativa cup at 420, (OGKB 2.0 Cookies) is a bagseed... Amnesia Haze (hypro) is a bagseed... I don't know why people think you can't find winners in bagseed.. you only have to think of how varied genetic expressions can be.. take Cheese.. it's Sk1.. it's a 1 in a million Sk1, but it's still Sk1...probably not even 1 in a million as there are other Sk1 elites out there..

Of course this kind of thinking is akin to playing the lotto, but that's not to say that no one ever wins... the universe can be a funny old place, and I'm not even spritual like that.. we're just talking odds/probabilities/maths.

EDIT: I should point out that I totally agree that worked lines from credible breeders takes a lot of the guess work out of selecting for many of us and I really just wanted to make the point about what a random place this world can be.. I certainly don't mean to detract from the awesome work breeders like Shantibaba did when running literally 1000's of plants to find solid breeding stock

I buy seeds and look for keepers just like everyone else with the hopes that one day I may find that clone only elite of my very own .. oh the names I've got lined up.. makes me chuckle just thinking about it

 

[DoDad]

What I mean is that you have seeds worth 30-50 euros that are as good as the ones sold for 90-150 euros.


Seeds that are sold are usually better that free seeds for a reason

Not always, depends of the source.

Oh, I see what you are saying now. Sorry. Yes I agree some stupid prices out there for overly hyped strains. I still believe everything I read on the internet.

 

[JamieShoes]

lol those suddenly missing posts make my random universe post even more random... this makes me happy... the randomness, not the fact that posts are missing

 

[DoDad]

Shantibaba did when running literally 1000's of plants to find solid breeding stock

I don't see myself running 1000 plants and if I have to do that for my 4 oz goal, that 4 oz, better be some really tasty bud.

I have other hobbies and a job. I'm just trying to grow some head stash.

My tent is 3'x2'x5'. I don't have the space to grow bag seed sativa's plus the time to flower seems forever by comparison.

Mosca's c99bx is 52 days from seed to harvest. My 3 bag seed plants have been at 12/12 for that long right now and haven't grown a single flower. Bag seed for a small head stash grower like me, makes zero sense other than learning how to grow and even then I'm not convinced. Seeds are cheap. Buy some.

 

[JamieShoes]

hehehe Shanti had HUGE greenhouses when he was looking for his parent stock, thats my point really, they do that so we don't have to ..the other point was though that anything can happen

 

[JamieShoes]

I don't see myself running 1000 plants and if I have to do that for my 4 oz goal, that 4 oz, better be some really tasty bud.

I have other hobbies and a job. I'm just trying to grow some head stash.

My tent is 3'x2'x5'. I don't have the space to grow bag seed sativa's plus the time to flower seems forever by comparison.

Mosca's c99bx is 52 days from seed to harvest. My 3 bag seed plants have been at 12/12 for that long right now and haven't grown a single flower. Bag seed for a small head stash grower like me, makes zero sense other than learning how to grow and even then I'm not convinced. Seeds are cheap. Buy some.

Mate, if they have been on 12/12 for 52 days and are not showing flowers then there is a big problem.

Firstly check your timers are all working properly and that there isn't any glitches with them coming on for 10 mins in the middle of the night or any of that kind of thing (also try and be present for lights on and off to check it's happening when it's supposed to). Second check for light leaks... get in the tent, turn the lights off, zip it closed (yeah I know..lol) this is important...

If you have checked these things and they are correct then you need to fk them bagseeds off and start again with something proven (as is your current plan) ..

Sorry bro, I didn't realise this was the case or I woulda mentioned it sooner..

On the upside you can't put a price on experience...you have your strains in mind, just pull the trigger.. you won't regret it.

 

[DoDad]

Mate, if they have been on 12/12 for 52 days and are not showing flowers then there is a big problem.

On the upside you can't put a price on experience...you have your strains in mind, just pull the trigger.. you won't regret it.

I have two others in the same tent I flipped 52 days ago and have tons of flowers. I'm about a week or so away from chop. Nothing has been a wasted experience. The ones that grew flowers are from Herbies. The ones without flowers are from schwag. Do I see a pattern here?

They are "showing" but not growing anything I would call real flowers yet. One of them is about 3 feet tall and nothing to smoke. I agree, it's time to move those bag seed plants down the road.

I have produced about 8 oz of leaves in all this. If leaves were buds, I'd be set for years.

 

[JamieShoes]

I'm really glad to hear there are others in the area with flowers... you're right though, this is why we (most of us) buy seeds from companies with reputations... leave the searching to those with enough room to do so eh

 

[DoDad]

I'm really glad to hear there are others in the area with flowers... you're right though, this is why we (most of us) buy seeds from companies with reputations... leave the searching to those with enough room to do so eh

I would be worried too if after all this time I saw nothing. After what I have spent in time and money to setup, it would be very disappointing.

But the fact is, I have two plants that look like this.

They are not huge but are two different strains and both full of bud.

This tells me my method for growing is close to being dialed in. All I need are better seeds.

 

[JamieShoes]

ah yes, I did see one of these before... it's all coming back ot me now ... have you started flushing them yet?

 

[DoDad]

ah yes, I did see one of these before... it's all coming back ot me now ... have you started flushing them yet?

Not yet. People in my Maxibloom thread said to wait a week or two. I bought a 30x loop off Fleabay and it should be here in a few days so I can look at the trichromes. They are still shooting out white pistils and not quite filled in yet they said.

I'm getting close to chopping them in any event and then I'll have an empty tent other than bag seed plants. I should have ordered seeds a month ago or had clones ready to go when these finished.

No worries, I can grow from seed again. It's more important that I grow the right plants for my situation than grow just for the sake of growing. It took me some time to figure out what to grow after I figured out how to grow it.

My next run will be better than my first by a landslide. Frankly, I think actually growing any bud at all on my very first try is pretty darn good.

I killed more plants that first month than made it to be a month old but after I made a few changes, things started to turn around.

Looking back I could have been the poster child for all the classic growing mistakes. Most of those I will avoid next time.

 

[Shooters]

Before dumping the plants from your swag seed try running them at 11/13 some of my sativas respond better with only 11 hours light.

 

[Useful Idiot]

Hehe. All this talk of Santa Maria makes me wonder if I should pass on it after all. Someone else who I value their opinion suggested I look at that strain for my next run.

The same person also suggested reina madre queen mother which lead me to Juanita so I'm getting good advice on what to grow.

Not knowing anything and presented with all these options is daunting. I started out thinking Moscas c99 bx1, Bohdi Apollo 11 was the be all, end all, and now I'm considering Jack.

I looked at a few Jack crosses and their phenos but rather than run a semi pure Jack like Karma or Saneez or one from sensi I decided to try a hybrid that included a Jack. I'm told, you can't got wrong with Jack Herer for a daytime smoke but a too racy C99 might ruin my day. Bohdi's gear is too hard to find and pricey. It was the genius pheno I was interested in but couldn't find it. Prayer tower was another Bodhi I studied.

Santa Maria popped up in one of Eskos hybrids but don't recall which one. That strain seems to be mentioned a lot lately in the things I'm reading. Maybe I should look harder and find some room.

I've come a long way in my knowledge from bag seed but still don't know anything other than what I have read from people I trust to know. I have near zero actual experience with anything.

Having said that, I think I'm getting solid advice both in public and private and one of those people I consider trustworthy to tell me accurate information is Mr. shoes.

Trust the experts, but verify by doing my own research is always the best way to be in the know about anything. You can't soar with Eagles if you run with a bunch of Turkeys.

Just wanted to pop in a comment on Bodhi gear as you mentioned. His gear is REAL easy to get your paws on.And for $76 per pack shipped...a steal. Right now they are buy 2 get 1 free. Just thought ya might want to know. Hope ya find something you truly enjoy on your hunt.

 

[Weird]

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