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House & Garden.....lets chat!!!
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my water gets filtered through a small boy dechlorinator, ppm's outta the filter are usually around 100-110
Very interesting post... especially the part about the 8/9 ratio with A&B. Have you tried an 8ml:8ml vs the 8ml:9ml and seen a difference with the extra B (or less A)? Also, curious as to if you use the BudXL?
My main issue with H&G is airy buds if used at full strength. The feeding chart is no good (too aggressive for many strains) so that leaves me guessing at what to do. Half strength solves the problem of airiness as buds are dense but leaves are too yellow and yield is lacking. Maybe 3/4 strength is ideal? Still experimenting but I have so much H&G that I'm dedicated for now.
when I fed heavy the yields were about the same although there have been many factors that would affect the final numbers( i run co2 in the summer to help with high temps and pulled 5# from 3k running the chart at normal strength with an big bud quality wasn't a 10...closer to a 7) my last run using the 8/9 no co2 no boosters yeilded me 4.5# from 4kw and for the insane increase in quality I am willing to sacrafice a bit of yield, I'm actually interested to see how the 8/9 plays out this summer when i get the bottle hooked up...I'm also contemplating going 3k vert stadium w/ co2 for the summer. yes i use bud xl, from what i understand its more of an enzyme than a pk booster and i do use the top booster for 3-5 days however long it takes to empty my 25 gal res.
I havent tried equal ratios other than when i ran the chart, I did the math and 8/9 was the closest I was able to get the numbers without having the K get ridiculous(not sure if all h&g nutes are the same but the aqua flakes are awfully heavy in K and have very little P which makes it a bit more difficult to get it to form in the lines of around 80-80-180 i kept ending up with numbers like 120-45-260 when using ratios other than the 8/9, the mix is still a bit light in P and the plants show it a bit which is why i started the teas, i use high p guano in order to provide some sort of balance/ happy medium and the ladies love it, i'll never grow without the teas again.
also I dont give a shit what the chart says about PH ing your water after you mix a/b screw that add all your shit mixing well between each and ph at the end 9 times outta 10 my ph lands right at 5.7-5.9 after adding all of additives including the humic ACID
I've also notice a huge increase in quality and nug stucture simply by raising my lights(thouies) to around 24" or more between glass and tops
also I still run the GH 6/9 on my veg along with roots excel for the ease of use and it keeps veg plants totally happy, sometimes i may run the 6/9 at 110% strength just to get the plants boomin before flip
I havent tried equal ratios other than when i ran the chart, I did the math and 8/9 was the closest I was able to get the numbers without having the K get ridiculous(not sure if all h&g nutes are the same but the aqua flakes are awfully heavy in K and have very little P which makes it a bit more difficult to get it to form in the lines of around 80-80-180 i kept ending up with numbers like 120-45-260 when using ratios other than the 8/9, the mix is still a bit light in P and the plants show it a bit which is why i started the teas, i use high p guano in order to provide some sort of balance/ happy medium and the ladies love it, i'll never grow without the teas again.
also I dont give a shit what the chart says about PH ing your water after you mix a/b screw that add all your shit mixing well between each and ph at the end 9 times outta 10 my ph lands right at 5.7-5.9 after adding all of additives including the humic ACID
I've also notice a huge increase in quality and nug stucture simply by raising my lights(thouies) to around 24" or more between glass and tops
also I still run the GH 6/9 on my veg along with roots excel for the ease of use and it keeps veg plants totally happy, sometimes i may run the 6/9 at 110% strength just to get the plants boomin before flip
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proper nugs Whadeez...congrats on your top notch buds.
so you raise em up two feet? il try that...i dont like having my 1ks slammed because that heat can hurt more than the extra lumens help..
so you raise em up two feet? il try that...i dont like having my 1ks slammed because that heat can hurt more than the extra lumens help..
yeah the heat definately takes away a lot of the potential, but having them that far away also makes it even more necessary to trim up as much of lower crap as possible for all I know my yields may suffer a little but I'm after quality...and at least 1# a light...more would be nice as long as it stays bomb
i like your style whadeezirg. i use the HG line in flower w/ everything except shooting powder as well. i just recently started throwing AN big bud weeks 2-4, just a little jump start before the budxl and top booster come into play. i use AN for sensi a/b veg w/ roots excel for veg though. i feel like HG is a tad slow in veg. otherwise i enjoi the results. id like to know more about your a/b ratio. ppms through flower and what not. PM me if ya get a sec sometime
mrpotatohead
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I can't speak to the effectiveness of the entire line yet but I can say that magic green is the shit. Smells like Dales sauce but if you have a plant that looks kind of shitty you can spray it with magic green and in 48 hours it looks perfect. I just started flowering but I've been using the entire line through veg and I've never had plants that looked so healthy. Not one yellow/spotted leaves or burned tips. Just lush and green. I'm not sold yet. How H&G does during flower will be the deal maker/breaker but so far, so good. I also really like the roots ex too. I've been swearing by B'cuzz root for like 12 years but this stuff is better, hands down.
I grew with AN for a good 5 years..had no problems. I got bored and switched to H & G..I loved it at first because my grow stayed green right to the end and yield was greater then with the AN..But after 4 grows I think there is to much N in their food for the late part of the bloom phase. I think thats where the harshness comes from..there is so much chlorophyll left in the bud that even after 3 months in the jar its still a bit harsh. I am considering replacing their A and B with ANs sensi bloom for the last 3 weeks but keeping all the other H & G additives the same.
On a side note Ive had great success using big bud at the first sight of flower then switching to bud XL after week 3 or 4 depending on your grow.
This is just my experience Im no chemist or botanist, i just grow good pot so dont bash me for saying something semi negative about H & G plz...its very petty.
Peace...Lm
Ive noticed that a few ppl on here have dialed back on the part A later in flower to help reduce the N...give it a try next time and see if u notice any differences. Good vibez
There is more then just N in the A bottle so im worried i will be robbing the girls of some stuff they need just to keep the N down. Im not sure im cool with that.Ive noticed that a few ppl on here have dialed back on the part A later in flower to help reduce the N...give it a try next time and see if u notice any differences. Good vibez
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yea i realize that but u are not totally omitting the A from the feed just reducing it slightly to decrease some N. I tried it out last round and didnt really notice any neg effects. This run i did the same thing to and seems to be working just fine. It helps in the very end to at least flush the green out the plants a lil easier...Either way hope u get the results u are looking for. Good vibez
EastCoastMeds
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I used H&G for a lil over a year. I like it. But I do think they recommend using too much on the base nutes. And Shooting Powder is definitely not for all strains. Makes alot of plants produce funky buds.
I will use it again, but I get better results from Fox Farm.
I will use it again, but I get better results from Fox Farm.
better results w/ fox farm? ill ask that again, you get better results w/ fox farm? i used their entire line at one point, currently i use the entire h&g line, excluding multizen, shooting powder and roots excel. if your h&g didnt do better than ff, something was horribly horribly wrong. im on your side w/ the shooting powder though, its nasty stuff. should be renamed "ugly bud powder"
CityKnightz
Member
I've used both lines extensively, starting with Fox Farm and most recently H&G on a very strict schedule, and Fox Farm wins hands down in terms of finished product quality. Not even close... Just finished switching back from H&G and straight coco to moonshine mans mix and could not be happier.
so is when u say u better in product quality are u referring to overall smoke as in the taste,high,smell or does that include yield too? Thanks
