HOPS pollinating Cannabis???

[luciano28]

Here is a pic, I really dont know what I should be copying and pasting for you, its a 16 page thread and he never really summed up everything in one post, it would just be hard to do,good thread though.

Mikeinhoyt from Highbred LR X HOPS

 

[robbiedublu]

If it tested negative for thc then what was the point anyway? He crossed them and got something that looked like pot but had no thc? Thats the opposite of what you would want. Something that didn't look like pot but has THC.
Like Sam says, people have been trying this for decades now. I call BS.

 

[luciano28]

And just because I posted the pic does not mean I actually believe he did it, its kind of weird how the whole thread goes.

There are no pics of him actually pollinating or even the original hops plant for that matter, he is talking about it in Aug 2005 and then boom he comes back in October 2005 with no posts in between and declares it a success, he made seeds but only one seed germinated and thats it there as a seedling.

Later on in the thread someone else even comments about how his hops X LR plant looks like a mutant LR he has and posts a pic.

Im not calling BS, just wanted to make myself clear. He might have done it, he just never really proved he did it in my eyes. The thread is a good read though.

 

[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

I came across a very interesting thread on highbred...A member of the site appears to have succesfully cross pollinated a male hops plant with his female lowryder. Not only that, but before his lrxhops plants could be grown to full maturity, they were seized in a raid at his home. Funny thing is, the lrxhops plants tested negative as being cannabis, therefore his case was thrown out even though he had real MJ, as that was an illegal seizure given they can't go taking plants if they are not weed.


I want to try this.........so badly. Does anybody have hops pollen by any chance?????


if anyone wants to check out the thread it's in their breeders section.

,,,if you want hops weed,,, order it outta HighTimes,,, that fake herb they sell is nothing more than a tobacco//hops hybrid plant...

in fact:::a little birdie told me keisir permanaente has been trying to mutate that cannabis plant so it will still smoke and get you high like cannabis,, yet it has diff dna structure::thus making it LEGAL and NOT SCHEDULE 1...

obviously testing hasnt been TOO positive otherwise wed have heard more by now....

 

[weedpureweed]

I remember that thread on highbred I even posted that he would end up busted and what do you know, a fantasist.

 

[Storm Crow]

Interesting looking plant at the least. OK, presuming it is a hybrid, question 1- is it fertile?

Question two has it's roots in slavery. Just how much in the way of cannabis genes makes a plant a cannabis plant? (Please don't flame me for pointing this out-In the early 1800s when slavery was still allowed, anyone with ANY black ancestors would have been considered "black" and legal to be kept as a slave. One great grandmother was black and everyone else is Swedish? Then YOU are black! Didn't matter that you were blond, blue eyed and looked Swedish as heck- you were black! REAL STUPID!) Now to get back on track- if the hybrid is legally NOT cannabis, what % makes it cannabis? 51% 75% ??? And when/if someone starts back-crossing? Does THC make it cannabis? At what %? Hemp, in most countries, is not considered "marijuana" because of it's low (but existent) THC levels. This could open a whole new can of worms!

Question 3- I wonder what would happen, if anything in a cross the other way? This way we got marijuana-ish looking plants without THC. Could the other way give us hop-ish looking plants with THC?

And another point for you, Stoopid, and you guys in nonMMJ states- check how your laws are worded. Oregon,as an example, is QUITE specific on the taxonomy in the law prohibiting cannabis. BUT the taxonomy is WRONG! Therefore, it could be argued that the law is against a non-existent plant and you are growing C. indica of the family Cannabaceae. Not C. sativa of the family Moracae! But Oregon is a MMJ state, so no one is hassling about it. But if you get busted and have a devious-minded lawyer, it might be worth a check.

Stoopid, hun, could you cut and paste the URL for the biggest post? It wouldn't be the first time I joined a site just to comment on a post! But 16 pages? Piffle! You can do it! This is IC, hon! It took my 65 page post no problem! So 16 cut and pastes into one seamless document that would be less chopped up than the original! It's not THAT hard! Don't be so lazy! lol I have GOT to read it! I'm a bit busy now, but I will get to it! - Granny

 

[southwind]

Grafting cannabis plants onto hops roots is a fairly simple way to increase tolerance of the root structure...that is if one is already pretty good at grafting plants...I grafted cucumbers onto squash this year...in the fall I will be making a tree with three types of fruit...next spring we will go for canna onto hops...just for fun....but it is interesting that the skunkman tried to pollinate the plants...on what basis (why?- what led to this idea)was this done??? -with what info..., what strains....?

"It is possible to produce viable grafts between hops and hemp and it is reported that pollination of hops by hemp, annual nettle (Urtica urens) or perennial nettle (Urtica dioica) stimulates cone development, but only abortive embryos are produced."

Now step two would require successful seed germination, assuming that it is even plausible to get this far, seed dormancy (usually embryo dormancy or internal dormancy) could be an issue here. It is caused by a condition of the embryo which prevents germination. This is something I am still researching.

And for my very last reflection, in regards to classification, I wonder what the F1 hybrid resulting from a cross of cannabis and Humulus would be termed. I understand that hybrid speciation is the process wherein hybridization between two different closely related species leads to a distinct phenotype (a physical feature). And that if reproductive isolation is achieved, it may lead to a separate species. But where exactly does that leave this theoretical intergeneric hybrid?

[quote only in part]

A scientist!!

Someone close to my heart.


I have seen a graft of C. Sativa to Humulus Lupulus.

It appeared healthy and fine.


It reminded me of the Graft of English Walnut to our native Black Walnut, the appearance of the stems I mean.


SW

 

[robbiedublu]

No one said you couldn't graft them. I thought the discussion was about breeding them and making seed.

 

[MOneYMiKe]

Grafting cannabis plants onto hops roots is a fairly simple way to increase tolerance of the root structure...that is if one is already pretty good at grafting plants...I grafted cucumbers onto squash this year...in the fall I will be making a tree with three types of fruit...next spring we will go for canna onto hops...just for fun....but it is interesting that the skunkman tried to pollinate the plants...on what basis (why?- what led to this idea)was this done??? -with what info..., what strains....?

I'm out...
'ccumbens

Edit: Some info...on hops and canna from:

< http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/hybrid/msg041824032989.html >

Let me make a list of similarities and differences based on the knowledge I currently have, so that others may have a reference of some sort.

**Plants of intended hybridization:
-Humulus Lupulus (Hardiness Zones: 4a - 8b)
-Cannabis Sativa (Hardiness Zones: ?)

*Similarities:
-Both are naturally diploid, having a chromosome complement of 2n=20.
-Both species are dioecious, with separate male and female plants in the population.
-Both are genera within the same family.
-Both plants are pollinated by the wind.
-Both contain phytoestrogens.
-Both contain Humulene, a naturally occurring monocyclic sesquiterpene which contributes to their characteristic aromas.
-Both have the presence of glandular trichomes on inflorescenes, and both biosynthesize terpenophenolic secondary metabolites in these trichomes.

*Differences:
-Cannabis is annual while Humulus is perennial.
-Humulus lacks buds at the base of the staminate inflorescence.

Now, allow me break down exactly what would need to take place for this hybridization to occur.

First you must have successful pollen germination between the two plants, resulting in seed formation. This requires hand pollination (also called "mechanical pollination") using an artists brush or a cotton swab to transfer the pollen from the male plant to the pistil on the female plant. The first step alone may be quite difficult, though several unverifiable stories claim that seeds have been formed, but that they are dormant. If I may cite one such similar claim:

"It is possible to produce viable grafts between hops and hemp and it is reported that pollination of hops by hemp, annual nettle (Urtica urens) or perennial nettle (Urtica dioica) stimulates cone development, but only abortive embryos are produced."

Now step two would require successful seed germination, assuming that it is even plausible to get this far, seed dormancy (usually embryo dormancy or internal dormancy) could be an issue here. It is caused by a condition of the embryo which prevents germination. This is something I am still researching.

And for my very last reflection, in regards to classification, I wonder what the F1 hybrid resulting from a cross of cannabis and Humulus would be termed. I understand that hybrid speciation is the process wherein hybridization between two different closely related species leads to a distinct phenotype (a physical feature). And that if reproductive isolation is achieved, it may lead to a separate species. But where exactly does that leave this theoretical intergeneric hybrid?

I believe this is true...grafting is the way too go....will try to scan this book one of my old hippie friends gave me,about grafting hops and canna.....ah found it,it's called The Cultivator's Handbook of Marijuana....by bill drake....green book pg 64..producing an unrecognizable hybrid.......take a looks see........................might try to do this soon...................we were just talking about this subject ysterdy......................funny....Mm

 

[stoopid]

Here is most of what the fucker wrote in chronological order.

Update: A week ago I brought in a bunch of male hops flowers to pollinate a lr female. Hops does not drop pollin like cannabis (as a dust), so I left the small male flowers on top of the female plant. After a few hours, the pollin dispersed all over the top of the female as the male dried. Today I pried open a developing seed pod and discovered that it is producing seeds. I have repeated the pollination process today. The next question will be if the seeds will be viable. Got a lot of growing and drying time before I find that out.


The closest other source of pollin is 2 rooms away behind 2 sets of doors. This lone female lr has been sitting on top of my fish tank in my bedroom under a florescent light. I can see the seeds are forming, but no idea yet what they are forming into or if they will be viable at all. I am not trying this cross for potency as it won't be even if it does work. I want a trailing or climing plant, possibly perenial, and some thc. If it works, potency can be worked on in future generations. I suspect anyone who has triewd it before did not dry the hops slightly (in my case, by accident) to release the pollin. Also I don't think that a lot of people would attempt this sort of cross, due to the fact that one of the parents has no thc. I am more optimistic at this point, but there is still a huge possibility that the seeds will not germanate, and of course even with the safeguards, a slim possibility of contamination fron another source. Because the stamens started to shrizzle up the day after the hops pollin was introduced, I am reasonably confident that hops is the father. I will keep everyone updated to see what comes of it.


Harvested 7 very small but well developed seeds from the LR female crossed with hops. Seeds are small possibly due to hops seed naturally being a lot smaller. The bud was super thick so I was expecting more seeds, but most were dud pods that tried to produce a seed. I am going to cross my fingers and plant them in about 3-4 weeks. With the major difference in parents, I should know fairly quick if it was a successful cross. I am confident that there was no contamination from other sources. I suspect the seedlings to look quite unique if the seeds are viable.


I am happy to say that the LR Female X Hops Male was a success. Not a total success as only 1 seed germanated, but better than zero I guess. As you can see the first set of leaves are typical cannabis, so I did not take pics at that stage as I thought maybe contamination had happened and it was not hops, but the second set of leaves are huge, quite similar in width to hops. I put my finger in the pic for a size comparison. Now the wait begins to see if it has a tendency to vine, male or female, and so on. Regardless of its sex it will be backcrossed to LR, since we are having frost warnings here so the hops polen is long gone. I also figure that LR would make an easier second cross to it. Next year, whatever generation of plants I am in, a female will get some hops polen again if I do not get the vining I want. I will also be planting some outside next year and leaving them out to see if they took on the hardiness of hops and will survive our zone 5 winters. So thats 2 years away, until then I will take it one day at a time and keep you updated on its progress.

Mike




mules are not always sterile, but usually, and I read about ligers and tions (lion tiger cross)a while ago, and if I remember correctly, the cross in one direction was sterile and one was not. Anyways, you have a point, not sure if they have the same # of chromosomes or not, but I know hops and cannabis do. Also, just being hopeful, I presume animal crosses to be considerably more complicated than plant crosses. I guess its one of the question that time will answer.



I bought hops from a garden center around 5 years ago. I presume it was grown from seed since I had 1 male and 2 females at the time. The male blooms very early august and pollinates very small female hops (half size of cigarette filter) complete with white hairs. They continue to full size hops in mid Oct.

If you have read the whole string, hops flowers do not drop polin as cannabis does. I let the picked hops flowers set on top of the female LR for half a day roughly, and when it dried a certain extent, it spewed polin all over.

As for growing hops from seed, I have never done it, but I have hundreds of hops growing everywhere, so THEY are growing. I suggest freezing the seeds for a bit. We usually have snow here from November - march or April, and in the spring hops pops up everywhere.


I have snapped a few more shots from the top, and different angles. Does not even look simailar to your LR mutant, although I have had LR go that way, I even have a few freaks going now.


It's definately not the offspring of a hermi, as it would have autoflowered long ago.
I just went outside at 1:30am and snapped some shots of the hops. Keep in mind, it was dark and they have already been hit by frost. Its rather interesting taking pics in the dark, especially when you can't see it on the screen till the flash goes off.
Pic 1 is 6-10ft up.
Click HERE
Pic 2 is 20ft up, it got to the top of the screening and kept going up the tree. The brown balls are the frosted hops flowers.
Click HERE
Pic 3 and 4 are a pic of a leaf with a couple flowers sitting on it. My hand is in the pic for size comparison.
Click HEREandHERE



Just noticed a few preflowers on the main top, hairs and all. Will snap a couple pics tomorrow of the whole plant. I will say that she is taking up a lot more room than I would like. She is in her pot, and creeping across others. I am tempted to stake her clones once I take some, to confine them to a certain area.



OK, here she is.....She has branched a lot since I took the clones and trimmed the fan leaves.
Pic of Mom, Click HERE
A closeup of 1 branch to show the preflowers. Click HERE
And finally, the male lr that will be kept alive to pollinate here. This closeup of the flower shows how resinous this male is. Click HERE

The clones still have not rooted. I did have a plastic bag around the pot they are in until yesterday. I got tired of them living off humidity as their bases have been swollen for a long time and they have even grown knubs of roots. They have wilted bad in response, but hopefully this will force them to finish the job and root. They seem to clone very slowly compared to pure mj.


Yea, sterility is an issue. I am eager to see if, and how many seeds it will produce.


4 out of 8 clones have rooted. The others should all root very soon. I just transplanted them tonight. The largest is the "top" of the mother. Click HERE


Busted! Cops showed up with a warrent Friday Dec 2. Took everything. My court date is Monday Feb 6. Have not spoke to a lawyer yet as I am broke. Also charged with theft of electricty so "not good".


Well, it has been a while. I just finally got the court process over with.

Possession of MJ - Not Guilty
Trafficing of MJ - Not Guilty
Production of MJ - Not Guilty

Next step is for me to get a grow licence, although that has to go through the RCMP and they are not real fond of me right now. I have gotten away from pot for a while, so it is great to see the forum still here and enjoying reading about the new advances. Hope to be back in the game again in the future and will try this cross again on a larger scale in hopes of greater success.

 

[stoopid]

This pic below is of his "hops x lr" on the right, next to two normal plants.

 

[Bacchus]

Dosn't look like hops to me

 

[robbiedublu]

I think the problem with grafting is that its NOT an unrecognizable hybrid. (really it's not any kind of hybrid)The pot plant will grow on a hops rootstock but still looks like pot. Only the "pot" parts of the plant will have any thc.

 

[Raco]

bs IMO

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

This is Cannabis/hops?

-SamS

 

[stoopid]

I think the problem with grafting is that its NOT an unrecognizable hybrid. (really it's not any kind of hybrid)The pot plant will grow on a hops rootstock but still looks like pot. Only the "pot" parts of the plant will have any thc.

you fucking retards this thread is about POLLINATING NOT GRAFTING. wel ALL know that it is a waste of time to graft cannabis onto hops....tell us something we don't know and stop wasting everyone's time.

This is Cannabis/hops?

-SamS

this plant is supposedly hops x lr.


Either it's complete and total made up bullshit and it's just a mutant, or he's not lying, because if it were a lr that got pollinated by another of his cannabis plants, like he said, it would have flowered sooner.

 

[Bacchus]

....Either it's complete and total made up bullshit and it's just a mutant, ....

Winner, winner chicken dinner

 

[mofeta]

What a joke!

Haven't you ever seen a hops plant?





The "hops x lr" picture you show looks like an ordinary cannabis plant to me. What hops-like morphology do you see? I've seen some very unusual cannabis plants, but that isn't one of them.

 

[Thule]

Who ever started the thread forgot to mention there's now a new topic on HB where some one else claims to have done the very same thing. I think his last update was like 2 weeks ago..

 

[endlesssummer]

it looks like a plant that was harvested and revegged