Holy grail Mr Nice.

[@hempy]

The Afghan x HzC all germed for me FP still have many stored in fact.

The test seed Mango Haze ( 5HzC x SkHzA ) were to wild for most testers they grew and flowered like NH and most culled them so Shanti re worked the MangoHaze so it was more manageable for growers with the released version.

 

[flower~power]

The Afghan x HzC all germed for me FP still have many stored in fact.

The test seed Mango Haze ( 5HzC x SkHzA ) were to wild for most testers they grew and flowered like NH and most culled them so Shanti re worked the MangoHaze so it was more manageable for growers with the released version.

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I’m glad that you have all these old seeds ..please start popping them!

 

[Piff_cat]

i will never understand shantis refusal to show pics of parents and give clear 1 to 1 pedigree including not only the listed parents but also the specific phenotype. yes nevils haze is a5 x c but its the a5 pheno which determines where the particular batch will contain for traits. and weve seen how broad and diverse 69 haze f1s can be. whats so hard about some pictures of the breeder parents? is someone going to crawl thru the computer to steal the genetics? does he imagine these top secret pics will give competitors some type of advantage?? or is the answer the most obvious one- he no longer holds half the shit he claims to and doesnt want to expose his bullshit. remember haze B in la nina?? this behavior is in stark contrast to nevil the guy who gave shaniti credibility to begin with. and yet shits all over him steals his grail name, refuses to supply f1 clones or "haze c" to grail project. when nev finallly got the 97 nh f1s he numbered all of them and with this in mind the incredible diversity contained in the 69 males gave nev plenty of options and he passed those on to us in the form of outback hazes parents nh21 and nh35

nh36

nh21

 

[CannaT]

I still dont get it why people say that something is lost over the years. Everything is still in genetic code just need to be found or breed.
If you want 100% sativa take 10 hazes 10 thais and 10 african sativas.
Put them in greenhouse let them all cross without human influence at all.
Harvest plants ,take seeds and start growing.
It will bee long yourney but if you are real sativa head it will be worthy.

Stop grow famous clones go through seeds there are millions of hiden gems that need to be found yet.

 

[@hempy]

The OutBack Haze parents are Thia/NH21/NH36 that is it full stop.

Were did the NH35 story come from ?

Nevil didn't give shanti credibility the white family line did and who are you to attack any one in this community Piff ?

Nevil gave shanti his plant library and all the HzA seed lines and so much more you have no understanding of what shanti was give to him by Nevil not a clue.

How many breeders out there post pictures of the parental line or even give an honest description of there work most just spin some story together.

 

[willydread]

I still dont get it why people say that something is lost over the years. Everything is still in genetic code just need to be found or breed.

Simple, because I want what I paid for.
Not just any cross, unless I paid for any cross).
If I pay for nl#5 cut x haze C, i want that.
If I pay for some nl x some haze, it's another ting(That doesn't mean it's worse, in fact, maybe it's better, but it's not what I paid for).

there are millions of hiden gems that need to be found yet.

Of course,the more time passes, and the more I am convinced of it, there is still a lot of gold out there to discover…

 

[acespicoli]

Jack Herer »»» Haze x {Northern Lights #5 x Shiva Skunk}

Strain: Jack Herer
Breeder: Sensi Seeds
Location: Indoor; below 400 Watt
Photo made at: Flowering; Day No.56
Upload date: 14.05.2021
Picture from: alegriaverde

• Super Silver Haze
  • »»» {(Haze x Haze) x Skunk #1} x {(Haze x Haze) x NL #5}

Strain: Super Silver Haze
Breeder: Mr Nice Seedbank
Location: Indoor
Photo made at: Flowering; Day No.68
Upload date: 30.12.2015
Picture from: sunni

Strain: Super Silver Haze
Breeder: Mr Nice Seedbank
Location: Indoor; below 600 Watt
Photo made at: Flowering; Day No.70
Upload date: 08.12.2013
Picture from: Nushaba

Mr Nice & Neville
1997, 1998, and 1999 High Times Cannabis Cups ?

some examples from the archive over at seedfinder
the Jack was Sensi Seed and the SSH is with MrNice and Greenhouse has it as well fem :/

Green House and Neville
Arjan: [...] I was working with Neville, between 1994 and 2001, I got no other strains from him than Neville’s Haze and Super Silver Haze[...]

Sensi Seed Neville had

• Silver Haze »»» Afghanistan x Haze

1984 Schoenmakers established "The Seedbank."
1991 Schoenmakers sold The Seed Bank to Sensi Seeds where he worked for a short time as their head breeder, before founding the Greenhouse Seed company with Arjan Roskam.
1998, and widely regarded as the most successful modern cannabis breeder with multiple High Times Cannabis Cup wins, Schoenmakers sold his share of Greenhouse Seeds and left the limelight to focus on other interests.

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I think Neville said and im sure I will quote this wrong...maybe someone knows where to find it
Just because an painter has all the colors doesn't mean they can paint a Mona Lisa

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It seems over the years with genetic drift of hybrids they just like the Mona Lisa need a qualified preservationist to retouch the "colors" so that they do not lose their vibrancy, which is why they would remake the the strains for another release? So not all vintages are the same,,,

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Need to try Nev Haze Maybe, so whats his best work ?
Two of the best Holy Grails IMO Jack and SSH
can anyone tell me what Haze and Afghani was used in each

 

[flower~power]

Some more pictures of the various 1998 super silver haze I want these on the server that’s why I’m posting then I hope thread doesn’t get locked.. due to the incessant arguing

 

[harvestreaper]

dam i remember the epic bigbud ,,corn on the cob buds of absolute shite lol

 

[harvestreaper]

just remember you crazy hero worshippers good plants came from good plants no one and i do mean no one ,created any of the good ingredients from scratch lol
ps ,,,some real nice pics gettin posted

 

[Airloom]

just remember you crazy hero worshippers good plants came from good plants no one and i do mean no one ,created any of the good ingredients from scratch lol
ps ,,,some real nice pics gettin posted

And a great tune
I’m giving it up for that

 

[RingtailCanyon]

Scotty should be flogged with hemp stalks for all the pedigree confusion he has put out and let spread. He has had decades to clear the confusion, instead it is always "the same we have always done it, empty kettle blah, blah, blah" Musashi aka gypsyeyes should be flogged also for being shanti's winged monkey.

 

[goingrey]

Two of the best Holy Grails IMO Jack and SSH
can anyone tell me what Haze and Afghani was used in each

Hempy just posted the lineage of SSH on the last page, post 517.. (NL5 x HazeC) x (Skunk #1 x HazeC).

The Haze "C" is a male Nevil selected from Original Haze seeds sold to him by Sam.

The Afghans are the ones used to breed Northern Lights (Steve Murphy's/Kabul?) and Skunk #1 (Sam's/Mazar?).

Lineage of Jack Herer is not public info. But those JH and SSH photos in your post sure do bear a striking resemblance.

Edit: Just remembered Nevil did post JH lineage and according to him it was the same as SSH's "hz C male produced 5Hz1 which won a Cup or 2, this was a daughter of NL5 which won a cup. 5Hz1 when crossed with Sk1x HzC produced Silver Haze which won a Cup. Ben renamed it Jack Herrer". Explains the similarity.. Even if a different Skunk grandmother was used, or different selections were done in the parent generation, they would be very closely related.

 

[Stocktont]

and...

 

[Stocktont]

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this quote was posted in relation to Mango Haze Inbred Generation not the test seeds!

this thread:

Mango Haze Inbred Generation

Like many of you i was excited to see a new version of the Mango Haze soaked 11 seeds but only 6 sprouted :( 2 Males and 4 Females the plants are very easy to grow and they are keeping pace but not getting ahead of other indica dominant hybrids next to them They are growing at just the same...

mrnice.nl

 

[CosmicGiggle]

Let's all settle down and keep the thread on track, thanks!

 

[flower~power]

i’m not directing this to anybody in particular .. we have some excellent mods on this site ..If this thread gets locked not gonna go through the bother of uploading any pertinent pictures in the future just saying

 

[CosmicGiggle]

The thread's not in danger so let's all keep it that way!

............... and since pics would be deleted a little temp ban will be given to repeat offenders before a lock.

 

[acespicoli]

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Hempy just posted the lineage of SSH on the last page, post 517.. (NL5 x HazeC) x (Skunk #1 x HazeC).

The Haze "C" is a male Nevil selected from Original Haze seeds sold to him by Sam.

The Afghans are the ones used to breed Northern Lights (Steve Murphy's/Kabul?) and Skunk #1 (Sam's/Mazar?).

Lineage of Jack Herer is not public info. But those JH and SSH photos in your post sure do bear a striking resemblance.

Edit: Just remembered Nevil did post JH lineage and according to him it was the same as SSH's "hz C male produced 5Hz1 which won a Cup or 2, this was a daughter of NL5 which won a cup. 5Hz1 when crossed with Sk1x HzC produced Silver Haze which won a Cup. Ben renamed it Jack Herrer". Explains the similarity.. Even if a different Skunk grandmother was used, or different selections were done in the parent generation, they would be very closely related.

The ones who still hold the best of the best cuttings and thats would be the orig NL#5 Haze ABC and 70's skunk cuts. You know who you are. That aside the seed lots that are sold contain a high degree of variation.
Be that good or bad is personal preference, breeding thru it is fun and the fast track as Neville said

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There can be only one best plant,

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That is the fast track to success, like the man said when he sold seeds
people expected every seed in the pack to be a KEEPER

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The remarkable quality of a clone, its like a snapshot in time of the entire genetic library and a excellent preservation tool.

There is an entire write up about this strain and interview in a magazine article I read somewhere.
The haze were A,B,C and the affies were A-Z ? The NL#5 I had in 1990 reminded me of grass
Sticky crusty sweet average potency, may not have been a good example
I was a fan of the hazy skunk high, SSH, Jack
Daywrecker or White Widow was my idea of a indica, bed time weed
As far as TSBank prob Black Domina

1989 NL 5

any info on this one, I see some peeps pushing it, if its clone only, who made seeds and how exactly? I see noof's cut is the one to get or have, but other than that, can't find any info, thanks.

www.icmag.com

Northern Lights types 1-11

Read a post recently where the source for Northern Lights says they were numbered 1-11 one being most indica and 11 being most sativa. The crosses were supposedly an Afghan type from some dude in Seattle, really good stuff supposedly, put to a bunch of different varieties everything from...

www.icmag.com

Maybe someone can lend some insight into Nevilles naming of a strain CI#5 F1 which became NL#5?

 

[flower~power]

@acespicoli @mexcurandero420 …or any of you other archivists out there..
do any pictures exist of the original haze .. the original Santa Cruz haze of the late 60s early 70s?