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Nathindica
im currently feeding 0-1.5-3. At first I thought the curling was overfeeding so I backed off from 0-2-4. Perhaps i should go back to 0-2-4 or even 0-2.5-5 to give it everything it needs.
What will be the first sign of burning? the yellow tips on the leaves? does everyone think i should bump it up? I think in light of everything tried so far... this is the best option.
After some more comments from everyone i'll take some action. And again, thanks for the help everyone.
What will be the first sign of burning? the yellow tips on the leaves? does everyone think i should bump it up? I think in light of everything tried so far... this is the best option.
After some more comments from everyone i'll take some action. And again, thanks for the help everyone.
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Nathindica
i just read pete's post again. should i bump up the nutes or just add epsom to whats already in there?
thanks for the wisdom pete.
thanks for the wisdom pete.
I don't think I would bump up the nutes yet. 1 cfl is not enough light to burn all that food and I don't see any other defs. Go ahead and add 1/4 tsp per gallon of epsom salt (dissolve in a little warm water first) and give it at least 24 - 48 hrs before you see results.
irieeyes808
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Man they will make it your just luvin them too much. Remember less is more, keep the temps right spray em and sit back and watch them grow. Nice looking in the waterfarms, I was thinking of getting a system one day. Good work
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Nathindica
Well I gave her a couple small pinches of epsom salt dissolved in a small amount of water into the rez yesterday. I'll post up some pics tomorrow. The plant is looking very happy, but the leaf curling won';t go away. If it's not better by tomorrow... can we just assume its something genetic from it being a bagseed? Either way it's not affecting the growth of the plant and everything new looks great. So maybe its not that big of an issue...
Anyways we'll see if this epsom shows any visible results. Thanks for the input everyone!
Anyways we'll see if this epsom shows any visible results. Thanks for the input everyone!
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Nathindica
Safe epsom?
Safe epsom?
I picked this up from the pharmacy sextion of the grocery store. It was the only kind they had. Is this safe? Or am I better off going to get epsom from the hydro store? Only problem is a don't need a HUGE bag of it like they sell at the hydro store. Am I ok with this?
Thanks for the help everyone.
Safe epsom?
I picked this up from the pharmacy sextion of the grocery store. It was the only kind they had. Is this safe? Or am I better off going to get epsom from the hydro store? Only problem is a don't need a HUGE bag of it like they sell at the hydro store. Am I ok with this?
Thanks for the help everyone.
Yep that's the exact same stuff as the hydro store.
You can't just throw a couple pinches of stuff in and expect killer results. I am telling you specific info and it's like you are skimming over it and doin your own thing.
You need to measure precisely with a measuring spoon (1/4 tsp) and multiply that by the number of gallons in your rez. This goes for everything you put in there.
Have you tested ppms after adding epsom? That will tell you if you are overfeeding or not.
You can't just throw a couple pinches of stuff in and expect killer results. I am telling you specific info and it's like you are skimming over it and doin your own thing.
You need to measure precisely with a measuring spoon (1/4 tsp) and multiply that by the number of gallons in your rez. This goes for everything you put in there.
Have you tested ppms after adding epsom? That will tell you if you are overfeeding or not.
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Nathindica
Ok for starters... thanks for all the time everyone took to check out my plants.
Now pete, my friend, please don't think I've been just 'skimming over it and doing my own thing'.. because that's not the case. I read your posts multiple times. And well, one post you tell me to add a full tsp per gallon of epsom, and then you tell me a 1/4 tsp per gallon. I did some more lookin around on the rest of IC and went with the 1/4 tsp suggestion. When I went to grab my measuring spoons, they weren't where they were supposed to be as i mixed up some soil the other day and misplaced them. I figured my 'pinches' were about equivalent to a 1/4 tsp. I've had a lot of experience in the kitchen and am VERY familiar with what a 1/4 tsp of salt looks like... a 'pinch'. So I added two pinches of epsom to the rez after dissolving it in warm water first.
Sorry if it seemed like I was just 'skimming over' your advice and not taking it. But I really wasn't. I'm just working within my own means and experience. I mean... you suggested I moved my light back... and that there wasn't enough illumination for the plant to eat lots of nutes. So, again following your advice, I moved the light back and added 3 more.
4 cfls about 7 inches away should suit her much better. Thanks for the advice, I'm already seeing faster growth. I've got a fan on the bulbs keeping them cool and an oscillater in the room circulating air around.
Unfortunately I don't have a ppm meter yet. It's next on my list. But as for now, I was really interested in learning how to read ppm by pH fluctuations over time. I'm still learning how exactly it works... but to my understanding how fast the pH drops or raises tell you just how much the plant is eating versus drinking, and you can adjust feeding accordingly? Anyways this is something i'd like to read more about and hopefully master the technique of someday.
Anyways... Please don't think I don't respect what you're trying to teach me. I take in everything everyone says and I do my best to work on the issues I have.
Have you, in all your experience with growing, never substituted a 'pinch' for a 1/4 tsp when you just couldn't locate the measuring spoons? It just seems better to me to underestimate the dose of the medicine than to not give any at all. But perhaps that's just me being a bit too motherly towards my plants....
Now pete, my friend, please don't think I've been just 'skimming over it and doing my own thing'.. because that's not the case. I read your posts multiple times. And well, one post you tell me to add a full tsp per gallon of epsom, and then you tell me a 1/4 tsp per gallon. I did some more lookin around on the rest of IC and went with the 1/4 tsp suggestion. When I went to grab my measuring spoons, they weren't where they were supposed to be as i mixed up some soil the other day and misplaced them. I figured my 'pinches' were about equivalent to a 1/4 tsp. I've had a lot of experience in the kitchen and am VERY familiar with what a 1/4 tsp of salt looks like... a 'pinch'. So I added two pinches of epsom to the rez after dissolving it in warm water first.
Sorry if it seemed like I was just 'skimming over' your advice and not taking it. But I really wasn't. I'm just working within my own means and experience. I mean... you suggested I moved my light back... and that there wasn't enough illumination for the plant to eat lots of nutes. So, again following your advice, I moved the light back and added 3 more.
4 cfls about 7 inches away should suit her much better. Thanks for the advice, I'm already seeing faster growth. I've got a fan on the bulbs keeping them cool and an oscillater in the room circulating air around.
Unfortunately I don't have a ppm meter yet. It's next on my list. But as for now, I was really interested in learning how to read ppm by pH fluctuations over time. I'm still learning how exactly it works... but to my understanding how fast the pH drops or raises tell you just how much the plant is eating versus drinking, and you can adjust feeding accordingly? Anyways this is something i'd like to read more about and hopefully master the technique of someday.
Anyways... Please don't think I don't respect what you're trying to teach me. I take in everything everyone says and I do my best to work on the issues I have.
Have you, in all your experience with growing, never substituted a 'pinch' for a 1/4 tsp when you just couldn't locate the measuring spoons? It just seems better to me to underestimate the dose of the medicine than to not give any at all. But perhaps that's just me being a bit too motherly towards my plants....
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Nathindica
bought some more measuring spoons. changed out the rez. 2 gallons of distilled at 0-2-4 per gallon and 1/4 tsp epsom per gallon. pH corrected to 5.5. LOTS of new root growth into the lower bucket. curling still hasn't gotten ay worse. i'll update in a day or two with the results.
thanks for the help everyone.
thanks for the help everyone.
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greenhornets
hey nathindica , check this link out . it has tons of pic of plant abuse . good luck . jack herer is some killer ,i just finished mine .
http://www.ganjaguerrilla.net/index.htm
http://www.ganjaguerrilla.net/index.htm
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arcticsun
that curling is due to the ph and nothing else. its a tad too low. you said you corrected it to 5,5.. you might want to go even abit further up to 5,7 and the curling should disappear.
Hi Nathindica
I apologize if I seemed harsh. I am very happy that you take this seriously. Many people come here with preconceived notions and do not listen to any advice.
You are correct I did originally type 1tsp per gallon of epsom, then after realizing I had made a mistake, I corrected it to 1/4 tsp. Sorry for any confusion. I like your attitude of undermeasuring, it will serve you well. I would just know exactly how much you underadd, so you can reproduce those redults next time. This is why you should measure everything precisely. I have added by eye before, it was ph down and it was a nightmare to correct because my eye was way too much! I see you are very competent, I won't make that error again.
My only desire is to help your garden get back to health and prosperity. sounds like it is on it's way! I will be lurking!
I apologize if I seemed harsh. I am very happy that you take this seriously. Many people come here with preconceived notions and do not listen to any advice.
You are correct I did originally type 1tsp per gallon of epsom, then after realizing I had made a mistake, I corrected it to 1/4 tsp. Sorry for any confusion. I like your attitude of undermeasuring, it will serve you well. I would just know exactly how much you underadd, so you can reproduce those redults next time. This is why you should measure everything precisely. I have added by eye before, it was ph down and it was a nightmare to correct because my eye was way too much! I see you are very competent, I won't make that error again.
My only desire is to help your garden get back to health and prosperity. sounds like it is on it's way! I will be lurking!
realspringer
New member
Hey Nath....The YOUNG plant looks perfectly healthy and thriving...IMHO..What your seeing is rapid transporation..Whats your R/H..If it's very low...30-40% ..it will cause fluid transport to increase and it manifests itself by increased pressure in the leaf edges themselves...Sometimes pulling excess trace elements with it..resulting in slight burning on the margins..which you DONT seem to have...Just a thought..hope this helps..peace..rs
totally agree, look at the RH in his last pic, it's only 45, I find that a bit low for smaller plants. When she gets bigger she won't care as much. My clones sometimes do that upward curl after transplant, I just slap a dome on and they're better in minutes.
Up you RH to around 60% for a plants that size or smaller, especially if it's curling up like that. If it isn't curling you can go to 40-50 if you must. I like 60 for veg and 30-50 for flower.
If you can up your RH to 60, don't worry, she will be fine when she gets a lil bigger.
Up you RH to around 60% for a plants that size or smaller, especially if it's curling up like that. If it isn't curling you can go to 40-50 if you must. I like 60 for veg and 30-50 for flower.
If you can up your RH to 60, don't worry, she will be fine when she gets a lil bigger.
realspringer
New member
Hi weed...After hearing K reply..I lookd at the last pick again & RH,according to his gauge DID say 45%..I would agree this number is well within acceptable limits....For most strains I've had the pleasure of CO-HABITATING with..And depending on HIS particular environment,It could or couldnt be the cause...Ive found more times than not...When I have my nute "RATIOS" out of whack..IE...little bit a this.little bit of that...instead of full strength according to the suggested dosages by the manufacture... And then diluting to the PPM or EC ..therby keeping the ratios intact...Little enviromental issues that aren't perfect..so to speak..Ive seen those kinda things manifest to some degree....Certainly no feeling of disresect felt on this end from your response...After all..Were all looking for the same thing....And thats a healthy happy plant...
