Hidden agenda for smart meters

[seeyouaunty]

First off remember the power companies are in "business" not a charity. So as long as bills get paid on time they are happy! The "smart" meters are to catch juice jumpers or thieves which get "free" power. You could run 30 lights (safety and fire considerations!) and they will gladly cash your check! With LEDs getting better and cheaper they will lower your bill significantsly as A/C is lower and total juice too!

Power companies have been cost cutting in many places so there is another side to the coin. High power usage only makes them more money if they have enough spare capacity on the supply transformer, they are all rated to a particular loading. If you are in an area that has a supply transformer that is fully loaded the power company might not be so happy if someone starts using a lot of power and overloads the transformer. Yeah they make a bit more money off high usage, but it doesn't make good "business" sense to upgrade a transformer when they'll lose thousands on the deal just to keep one high-use customer happy. Cheaper to send semi-threatening letters lol.

But in areas where they have lots of spare power capacity you're right the power companies are very happy to take your money.

 

[WelderDan]

It's hot as Hades here, with lots of older, poorly insulated homes. High power bills are part and parcel for this area, so no one even blinks at a $300 + electric bill. I was happy when they installed a smart meter. I no longer have to leave the gate unlocked so the power company can enter my back yard to read the meter. That's one less security issue to deal with IMO.

 

[ijim]

interesting article..... and damn that is the 2nd time I've seen rollitup mentioned in different news articles lately.

I think the smart meters are more about preventing electric theft than anything (marijuana related)... sure we worry about the light schedules but I have yet to see an article on that. Seems like it's mainly for detecting/preventing electric theft.

Except for the fact that 99% of all illegal power taps are done before the electricity hits the meter. So what do they do instal a meter to monitor the meter? Just another way to jack up your electric bill by paying for the cost of purchasing and installing meters. Legalize home cultivation and the lights will dim because outdoor and greenhouse cultivation will make large indoor grows economically prohibitive.

 

[supermanlives]

i never had to leave my gate open they got a key. lock was issued by electric co. i aint liking my meter much. but it does keep good time

 

[Mukind]

Electric companies are a business and they want to make more money so why would they turn in a high value customer like a grower. If you have high bills and are paying them on time why the fuck would they want you off the grid? Although growers being on the same cycle and stressing the power supply seems logical reason for this, smart meters are not the solution to that problem unless LEO is going to comb through all that data. Just chill and make sure no one has a reason to pull your hourly usage out of a file....
And if they are looking that deep into your shit your already gonna get raided

 

[BrnCow]

Smart meter will eventually tell the power company every appliance you are running in your house for selective advertising. They will know you are running a Maytag model xyz-1010 clothes washer, how old it is, and how much it is using... as well as every other appliance you own. They will know how often you use it. It is a way to audit your house for all sorts of illegal things - such as how much money you have in electricity using things. Probably know how many times your old lady uses her dildo and what time...they will then be able to sell the data to companies and likely furnish it to the government also. I think the UPS would work as it would just show batteries being charged...at least for awhile..

 

[AmeriSkunk]

heres an idea.... Cali mountain growers have to do this... GET A GENERATOR!! they arent even expensive if your a grower... They pay for themselves the first grow or two

 

[joeuser]

It's hot as Hades here, with lots of older, poorly insulated homes. High power bills are part and parcel for this area, so no one even blinks at a $300 + electric bill. I was happy when they installed a smart meter. I no longer have to leave the gate unlocked so the power company can enter my back yard to read the meter. That's one less security issue to deal with IMO.

i never had to leave my gate open they got a key. lock was issued by electric co. i aint liking my meter much. but it does keep good time

I've always just called my meter reading in...in fact, they send me a postcard to remind me every month.

Electric companies are a business and they want to make more money so why would they turn in a high value customer like a grower. If you have high bills and are paying them on time why the fuck would they want you off the grid? Although growers being on the same cycle and stressing the power supply seems logical reason for this, smart meters are not the solution to that problem unless LEO is going to comb through all that data. Just chill and make sure no one has a reason to pull your hourly usage out of a file....
And if they are looking that deep into your shit your already gonna get raided

Because they don't want anyone using TOO MUCH power...it's an environmental thing. They want to sell all they have...but they only have so much.

Computers already comb through the data. Unusual usage WILL flag you!

Smart meter will eventually tell the power company every appliance you are running in your house for selective advertising. They will know you are running a Maytag model xyz-1010 clothes washer, how old it is, and how much it is using... as well as every other appliance you own. They will know how often you use it. It is a way to audit your house for all sorts of illegal things - such as how much money you have in electricity using things. Probably know how many times your old lady uses her dildo and what time...they will then be able to sell the data to companies and likely furnish it to the government also. I think the UPS would work as it would just show batteries being charged...at least for awhile..

Yes...someday that will happen. I've already said they want the opportunity to turn the BIG appliances (your AC) off if they need to cut power consumption.

A UPS doesn't do a thing once it's charged up. It will condition your power, get you through brownouts and interruptions...but it won't hide your usage unless you disconnect it and run off of battery...but then you have to recharge it later...so it's a moot point. Unless you want to "hide" your appliances...but I don't think there are any "smart" appliances yet.

 

[AmeriSkunk]

Like i said... generators hide all this, quit being so fucking paranoid and go all the way around your smart meter. I mean really if you are that paranoid about this, and rightfully so. But still, quit all the spazzing. It seems far easier to soundproof a generator thats putting out 70dbls than it is to rewire a smart meter... Just my two cents....

 

[RubeGoldberg]

they can notice power spikes for light cycles etc, "flip flop" doesn't eliminate this because there is an initial spike between bulb ignitions that is noticeable.

stealing power also becomes more difficult because they have neighborhood routers which allow them to track down power loss to a smaller number of homes than before.

The best bet in B.C is staying below the amount considered high enough for B.C hydro to report you for a fire safety inspection. If they report your power spikes etc below that it would likely be considered a breach of privacy laws based on the current laws.

 

[Stranger]

Electric cars if widely adopted will cause the power companies big problems. That may be driving the issue. Big power needed for neighborhood with lotsa cars in need of juice. While collecting funds from the money pump, they neglected to reinvest in the infrastructure. No problem for Canadian companies with Harper trying to out us the us with war on weed.

Blame the scurvy dog pot head gangster growers.

Works down here everytime.

generator/ capacitor array to mask loading / dc system running off of deep cell batteries... solar assists...screw em, pot heads are smart and resourcefull.

Overgrow the bastards!

 

[BrnCow]

Here's some more information.

http://www.infowars.com/no-more-pri...home-every-single-minute-of-every-single-day/

 

[joeuser]

they can notice power spikes for light cycles etc, "flip flop" doesn't eliminate this because there is an initial spike between bulb ignitions that is noticeable.

stealing power also becomes more difficult because they have neighborhood routers which allow them to track down power loss to a smaller number of homes than before.

The best bet in B.C is staying below the amount considered high enough for B.C hydro to report you for a fire safety inspection. If they report your power spikes etc below that it would likely be considered a breach of privacy laws based on the current laws.

You still have privacy up there in BC? We lost ours down here. We now get strip searched...just to travel! All for safety...

 

[AmeriSkunk]

i have provided all of yall with a way around these meters that is simple a pie... Now if yall want to skip over what i said and get popped via a smart meter be my guest... im outa this thread, you cant help people who wont listen....

 

[AGBeer]

i have provided all of yall with a way around these meters that is simple a pie... Now if yall want to skip over what i said and get popped via a smart meter be my guest... im outa this thread, you cant help people who wont listen....

 

[Zen Master]

i have provided all of yall with a way around these meters that is simple a pie... Now if yall want to skip over what i said and get popped via a smart meter be my guest... im outa this thread, you cant help people who wont listen....

Generators aren't cheaper than grid electricity, not even close. If you aren't running a lot of kW its not really worth it, plus where the hell are you gonna put a diesel generator in a 3 bedroom duplex?

they have their place, and its in a warehouse in the boonies with a SHITLOAD of lights. Obviously those would be the most concerned people with smart meter readings, but than again, most warehouses in the boonies dont have smart meters in the first place.

if you can't come up with an excuse for the power draw and need to pay 2x as much to burn your lights, more power to ya, if you're that paranoid about what your power consumption looks like to the computer that processes it you should have elbows out your ass and have no problem payin for the diesel.

 

[BigDawg]

yeah^, not to mention all the maintenance it requires. If running all year round you will not have much of a life or any extended time away from the location for too long, without a partner.

not good for the environment either.

 

[Good_KarmA]

I think they measure total hourly maybe even by the minute load...and IF any "smart" appliances are hooked up...it will talk to them. I think they want to eventually be able to shut down individual houses appliances when THEY feel the need. To make their limited power stretch farther. For example...odd and even air conditioning. On a hot summer day, when loads are getting critical, they can start shutting off AC units leaving the power on in the rest of the house. Shut off all the even addresses and then the odd in a zip code for an hour each would help immensely! And people would hardly notice.

They already do that with pool pumps. Every so often you will have no control over your pool pump, etc. Can be a pain if you scheduled that time to clean your pool or something.

If you want to be sure to fool a smartmeter you'll need to run your gear off a large online UPS. A flip/flop won't hide the distinctive inductive signature of a ballast from a smart meter if thats what the powerco are looking for.

Excuse my ignorance. What is an online UPS?

 

[nukklehead]

And if they are looking that deep into your shit your already gonna get raided

Tu-shay

less then 2k pay your bill on time and you will be fine.. its the other who knows factor that will get you taken down...

 

[seeyouaunty]

They already do that with pool pumps. Every so often you will have no control over your pool pump, etc. Can be a pain if you scheduled that time to clean your pool or something.



Excuse my ignorance. What is an online UPS?

Uninterruptible Power Supply. Its a battery backup for appliances. There are different types of UPS's but the important one is called an 'online UPS'. You plug the UPS into your power socket and then plug your lights into the UPS. The power socket keeps the battery charged and the battery powers the lights.
Other types of UPS's are different in that they directly power the lights from the power socket and only change over to the battery during a power cut. They are much cheaper than online UPS's but they won't hide the lights from a smart meter.

The reason online UPS's are useful is because the grid power (AC) gets converted to DC to power the battery, then the batteries DC power gets converted back to AC again to power the lights. This effectively hides the lights electrical signature from the smart meter. The smart meter will only see a battery being charged, it can't see what the battery is powering. This puts us back in the same position we used to be with dumb meters, the 12/12 cycle of power draw will still be visible but a flipflop can take care of that.

I don't have a smartmeter so i'm not concerned about powering lights with a UPS just yet, but i do have a UPS for my extract fan. I had a powercut a few months back when my plants were a week away from flower. I got home after the power had been off for a couple of hours and i could already smell the grow outside my house. No power = no extract fan pushing air through a carbon filter. Luckily my PC UPS still had a little battery charge left so i used it to power my fan/carbon filter for 2min every 10mins. It kept me safe until the power came back on an hour later. Talk about panic stations! Cutting down the plants would have made the smell 10x worse so i quickly realised that no power during flower = busted.