help yellowing tips on two week old plants

[HempKat]

make your mind up

so you expect every one to feel the same way as you
hmmmm interesting

Just because the hydro shop sells a product, doesn't mean there aren't any better alternatives.
for example final phase is a complete waste of money
but people still buy it

that would be me
pokes / DocLeaf & HempKat
wake up its time for school

[edit] grammer & syntax [/edit]

Hmmm, interesting assumptions you make when taking statements out of context from three different areas and then try to piece them together into some sort of patchwork of understanding for you. You really don't have to go thru such convolutions to understand what I'm saying. Just read it in context at face value based on the tone of the post I'm replying to when I said it.

Oddly enough you do have to go thru such convolutions to try to make an arguement where one is not needed or warrented. Still you seem hellbent to push your urine doctrine on people so let me make it clear:

Do I know urine can be use as part of a feeding regimine for cannabis? Yes.

Is it the best food for cannabis? No.

Would I use it? Only if there was no other choice but to not feed my plants.

Would I recommend it? Usually no, about the only scenario I can think of would be if the person needed to feed his/her plants, he/she were desperately poor and there was no other traditional ferts available. I would also want them to be reasonably experienced as using urine do to it's handling/preparation requirements is not good for someone who isn't even experience with working with normal ferts so they understand that a little goes a long ways. Otherwise the person might decide to just pee straight on the plant thinking it will grow 10 times better.

Is urine disgusting? Well that's an interesting question that could spawn a whole seperate debate. When you consider that organic ferts deal largely with solid wastes of several animals, no it doesn't seem disgusting at all. Oddly enough something about the human psyche is tolerant of such things with animals and doesn't find it disgusting. Start talking about human waste though and people get real funny. Why this is I don't know but it is a fact none the less. Sure their are exceptions such as people into the sexual fetish known as golden showers. If one is to be accepting that some may want to do a certain thing then that person needs to be accepting that some don't. It's called personal choice and preference.

So basically to sum up I recognize that it can be used but personally do not choose to use it. Now if you go back and read carefully, you'll see that I'm acknowledging that it works but advising against it. Your whole reaction seems to be because I advised a new grower against using it. You seem to have jumped to the conclusion that I'm saying it can't be used at all without even first asking why. The answer being that the person the advice was for was new and unsure of what to do. This in my opinion is not the person to reccommend urine to. First you got to teach someone to think inside the box before you start asking them to think outside the box.

 

[HempKat]

Ok. so I buy yo'all a lesson on me.

Outdoor soil is the same for both seedling and plant... indoor sure people start in one soil, then move into another ...( now we be taking ya back to nature perhaps, huh? )

A "good soil" (the term is subjective) relies upon the fact that avalible nutrients are slowly released with applications of water. Guano is taken up by soil substraits and in turn plants in this way.

This gets us onto the subject of guano. Bat Guano (the shit of bats) is decomposed (and in places fossilized) by urine (bat piss). Urine has been useed for centuries as a main-stay supply of nitrogen. Medieval monks adopted this technique, as do the peoples of Asia. in fact the best fields are those that smell so much of piss and shit that the toads in the ditches die from the fumes... these paddies provide the best crops.

In outdoor settings, the first thing that usually happens after planting, is that a fox or deer, or wolf comes along and pisses on the plant to regain its territory... (animals work on smell)! (yo sativa3000 you never know what/who might have pissed on an import)...

A quick note: HempKat is a sage of cultivation,,, attempting to teach such an established grower the pros and cons of fertiliser is like teaching ya grandmother how to do drop stitch...

less flames more thinking please ppl...

peace out dL

Ummm, no, I'm just a simple old dirt farmer and I hardly know all there is to know.

 

[HempKat]

Note: I assume (my first mistake) that HempKat is the one and same 'HempKat' from OG, not 'HempCat'.

can somebody please confirm this... peace

My Avatar should confirm that, it's custom made but I am HempKat not Hempcat. Hempcat was here in the early days but I think she is now over at PG.

 

[HempKat]

you know precisely what Im talking about DocLeaf
"good soil" like BioBizz all mix has an EC of 2.4
this is way too hot for a cannabis seedling
please stay on topic

btw
if U dont want flames - stop giving out fuel

There you go jumping to conclusions again. Good soil simply means a soil that is not bad. The average soil grower uses just a typical enriched soil such as miracle grow or expert gardener. I personally use the later, have for several grows and I used miracle grow before that. Never burnt one seedling. Your soil you start in should be sufficient to feed the plant, without burning it, for approximately 3 weeks with no added food. In the case of a seedling, heavily fortified soils would be an example of a "Bad" soil.

I find it odd that someone who champions the use of urine do to it's cost effectiveness would want to talk about a soil that's three times as expensive as it needs to be.

 

[HempKat]

Chill man... Smoke a blunt..



We're all freinds here, no need for hostilities..

Well I'm not hostile, I'm just debating with 4iiii'z here. :smile:

 

[DocLeaf]

I thought better of you DocLeaf
Im very disappointed
please follow forum guidelines

Yo dude, please don't play the "please follow forum guidelines" card. I apologise for the 'stfu' stuff, it was a figure of speach,,,
I'm just expressing my opinion, that's all. There is no beef for brazing here

I just get pissed (pardon the pun), when people disclaim reality as impossible!

Have NEVER used seperate soil for seed/seedlings (of the cannabis type), sure for carrots, potato, peppers, barley, and mint, I n I always alter my soil mix/structure accordingly.

Likewise I have NEVER pissed on a cannabis plant,,, but fully understand that people have been self-watering for centuries... lol

the following were sown out str8 into/onto commercial soil/compost:

Chitral

Hawaiian MauiWowie Skunk

BubbleDust

Spicy Cheese

*This would suggest that the above method is NOT specific to cultivar

** The notion that seed-beds should contain "light" soil stems from the pre-War and pre-Perlite era (when soil was heavy and hard to work). These days commercial soils are far more versatile and managable.

*** following the initial seedling stage in soil, seedling are transplanted into a neutral medium (coco) to allow more control over the plants in their true veg and bloom stages. At which point we use responsive feeds (which act much like urine)

peace out dL

 

[4iiii'z]

good morning HK & DL

only a couple of points I have left to debate
but 1st just to clarify a previous statement made by DocLeaf

Then transplanted into coco fibre and pebbles... huh?

this kinda turns the table on the usual method, huh?

like I say, (no offense) but I'll buy you a lesson on me perhaps...

no lesson required my friend
but your wrong to say its not the usual method
what you have done is called pricking out
and that is the correct procedure for seed propagation

 

[BeAn]

Heated debate...

Heated debate...

...Over basicaly dirt and piss....


See what happens if you give people the right to free speech..

 

[4iiii'z]

Now if you go back and read carefully, you'll see that I'm acknowledging that it works but advising against it.

Urine technically can be used as it is largely composed of nitrogen
but it's really not a good idea

lol, how stupid do I feel now ? ..........> very
I apologise, my bad

apologies to the original poster, for hijacking your thread

I apologise for the 'stfu' stuff

apology accepted

well its been fun, but I cannot continue
till we meet again
adiós

 

[DocLeaf]

no lesson required my friend
but your wrong to say its not the usual method
what you have done is called pricking out
and that is the correct procedure for seed propagation

hhhmmm .... normally ppl "prick-out" into a stronger substrait,
Hence my contrasting method,,,

<<

lol

A quick re-read will also reveal that it was me that suggested the weepee in the first place as a quick-fix, last resort thing, until the labelled ferts arrived ,,, panic over DD never had to use the pee-pee afterall

peace out ALL

"pon ya learn ya grow..."
dleaf

 

[HempKat]

...Over basicaly dirt and piss....


See what happens if you give people the right to free speech..

Well you can't reasonably expect all threads to be filled only with deep meaningful content for all people, that's just not realistic.

 

[HempKat]

lol, how stupid do I feel now ? ..........> very
I apologise, my bad

apologies to the original poster, for hijacking your thread


apology accepted

well its been fun, but I cannot continue
till we meet again
adiós

Aw gee, it was just getting fun, you know, parades and such? Personally though it felt more like a circus side show to me

 

[DocLeaf]

Getting back to the origins of this thread... Why was it that there was yellowing tips after only 2 weeks???
Ordinarily I n I wouldn't be all that flustered, yet DD is a good friend :friends: and rumour has it that my 'Saxon Axe' (aka Northern Star) are amongst them...

Hear-me-now, hear-me-now, Please treat me yout'seed with care DD, dem be a-like mee a children to mee...(dem with da berry smell)
peace doc-dizzle-leaf

 

[Guest]

Yes you are truly right there be 'saxon axe' among them, dont worry my good friend i shall treat them like there the seed of my own loin......

It would be nice to know the history of the 'axe' if our willing to share it my good friend..


Dre say's.... ain't no limit to this, as long as we drop gangsta shit!!

 

[HempKat]

Getting back to the origins of this thread... Why was it that there was yellowing tips after only 2 weeks???
Ordinarily I n I wouldn't be all that flustered, yet DD is a good friend :friends: and rumour has it that my 'Saxon Axe' (aka Northern Star) are amongst them...

Hear-me-now, hear-me-now, Please treat me yout'seed with care DD, dem be a-like mee a children to mee...(dem with da berry smell)
peace doc-dizzle-leaf

Likely lack of nutrients and pot size. From what I recall the original question said they were two weeks old in peat pots. I have also heard peat pots aren't very good. I believe the ideas is you are supposed to be able to put then into the soil and they break down and become part of the soil. But I heard they don't break down well, not fast enough for cannabis anyway.

 

[DocLeaf]

I'd be think it has something to do with ph,,, the peat is a little acidic perhaps (?)
would/does this make plants yellow ??? (I don't know a grain about hydro) ??

However, with plenty of rhizotonic or seaweed and a few snipps of the scissors, those peat pots are OK, since the roots shoot nicely. They also make handy work when out-planting, cause you don't need to carry or dump plastic pots,,, above all they are fully biodegradable (with time). eco-ethic

 

[DocLeaf]

It would be nice to know the history of the 'axe' if our willing to share it my good friend..

Yo dude, everything we know about Axe is in link in SpCh & SA sign-off below (page 2). Here we grow...

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=20124&page=2&pp=15

She's anglo-dutch with Saxon spirit... peace dL

 

[HempKat]

I'd be think it has something to do with ph,,, the peat is a little acidic perhaps (?)
would/does this make plants yellow ??? (I don't know a grain about hydro) ??

However, with plenty of rhizotonic or seaweed and a few snipps of the scissors, those peat pots are OK, since the roots shoot nicely. They also make handy work when out-planting, cause you don't need to carry or dump plastic pots,,, above all they are fully biodegradable (with time). eco-ethic

Could be but doubtful, although a test of the run off should confirm it.

 

[bbing]

[edited; sorry wrong thread LMAO]


however: I have used urine on my outdoor grows (not seedlings) and it seems to have an immediate desirable effect (N boost very green response and turgor). Most every time I added it though (50/50 h20/urine) I noticed it attracted certain insects, particularly those little gnats. (may not be issue in contol enviro)
Isn't there bacteria in human urine that is counter-beneficial?

thanks guys

 

[DocLeaf]

bbing some-dude yesterday told us that urine is free of bacterium cause it has been cleaned by kidneys (?)

HempKat same goes for those jiffy7 pellets,, me thinks they are too peaty,,

Peat: you get different types of peat. sedge peat and spagnum moss peat.
Mostly derived from areas with an acidic soil base/granite bedrock... Sedge peat includes fenland peat used in compost,,, spagnum makes the peat-pots,,, me thinks , could be way of track, me not a geologist... lol

Edit:

With the peat-pots (just had some flashbacks of old times... lol) the roots grow into the sides and the sides are too acidic, the root-tips get burnt, hence mirrored above ground by yellow leaf. Like i say, Im sure we used to snip the corners and stab the sides with a blade, then feed rootjuice until the thick white root hairs grew threw, then pot them on... after which they always did the job

peace