Help with Sweet Cheese Auto
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Day 28. Week 4 complete. Beginning of week 5. I believe I have two plants of one pheno that matches with the other Sweet Cheese Auto grow diaries I've followed, and then two others which aren't as vigorous, have broader leaves, mild smell, and haven't started flowering yet. They are about 12" / 30cm right now.
Peace and Love,
Tetra
Peace and Love,
Tetra
A continuation of the above post, here is an up close picture of my most vigorous plant's pre-flowers.
Due to unforseen circumstances, (good ones), I have moved my plants indoors. They appear to prefer it, and are under an 18/6 light schedule. 400W HPS. I plan on getting the equivalent output of 400W HPS in a LED in the near future, but not for this grow, probably the next. What kind of LED (not brand, or the most expensive, etc...) will give me the same power as 400w MH/HPS?
I will continue to update this thread as normal. On the 16th they will begin their 6th week. I fail to see how these are going to be ready in another 3 weeks, but as stated, I'm used to photoperiod dependant strains, so maybe they will surprise me.
Currently on full dose of Plagron Terra Bloom. Two plants still haven't started flowering. Strange, but I believe that they will flower very soon now that they have much more hours of light than they did when they were outside.
Peace and Love,
Tetra
I will continue to update this thread as normal. On the 16th they will begin their 6th week. I fail to see how these are going to be ready in another 3 weeks, but as stated, I'm used to photoperiod dependant strains, so maybe they will surprise me.
Currently on full dose of Plagron Terra Bloom. Two plants still haven't started flowering. Strange, but I believe that they will flower very soon now that they have much more hours of light than they did when they were outside.
Peace and Love,
Tetra
SweetApolo
Active member
Hi buddy!
The first difference that can be seen between MH and HPS lights, is their colour and the quality of the light produced. While the MH bulbs produce a blue-white colour, HPS bulbs produce amber white lights.
Another difference that can be seen between MH and HPS lamps, is their lumen. Even with the same electricity, MH produces less rated lumens than the HPS lamps.
Another thing that can be seen is, that in some lumens, the Metal Halide’s blue-white produces more sky glow than the HPS’ amber-white colour. Unlike HPS lamps, the MH has about 78 per cent to 95 per cent initial efficiency.
Sweet smokes!
-Apolo
Mine ( same age than yours ) just one start really to flower , others are in full stretch , and will start soon , just preflower for now .
Most stretch you get and biggest plants coming , with more buds,
so don' t worry ,
and good thing if you got an indoor room now ...
You can start new seedlings at the same time if you have the place
That' s the big advantage with auto' s .
Hi buddy!
The first difference that can be seen between MH and HPS lights, is their colour and the quality of the light produced. While the MH bulbs produce a blue-white colour, HPS bulbs produce amber white lights.
Another difference that can be seen between MH and HPS lamps, is their lumen. Even with the same electricity, MH produces less rated lumens than the HPS lamps.
Another thing that can be seen is, that in some lumens, the Metal Halide’s blue-white produces more sky glow than the HPS’ amber-white colour. Unlike HPS lamps, the MH has about 78 per cent to 95 per cent initial efficiency.
Sweet smokes!
-Apolo
Correct Apollo. With all due respect I've been growing photoperiod dependant strains since 2006 and am well aware about Metal Halide and High Pressure Sodium and the differences. But with that said, I am new to autoflowering strains, so are you suggesting that I use Metal Halide instead of High Pressure Sodium? If so, no problem as my ballast is for both.
But my question is in regards of what wattage of LED I need as I plan on switching from MH/HPS to LED after these are done.
Thanks in advance to anyone with info on LED.
When I was last active on the forums LED was still relatively new to the game, and super expensive compared to MH/HPS but technology has advanced and I've seen great results with LED, and I'll be able to save energy.
Peace and Love and Sweet Smokes,
Tetra
SweetApolo
Active member
As for the LED, it will depend on the brand and model of it.
For example, a 100w low cost panel will not give you the same performance as a higher quality one.
If you choose a quality LED spotlight, 240-300w will be equivalent to 600w of HPS.
It is important to take into consideration the distribution of the lighting and the light spectrum.
If you are a handyman, there are tutorials on the Internet to set up your own LED panel. You will save money and be able to distribute the lighting according to your growing space.
Sweet smokes!
-Apolo
Well, the plants are sleeping now, but tomorrow I will take pictures. Unfortunately, I believe that two of my seeds were not Sweet Cheese Auto, but something else entirely. I also am under the impression that I either got Sweet Cheese Auto XL for the two for sure legit Sweet Cheese Autos, or perhaps Sweet Cheese Fast Version. I'll explain.
All 4 plants were grown under the same conditions. It would have been impossible for me to have planted the wrong seeds, as when I went outside to plant them in their substrate, the only thing I had with me was the card containing the legit sweet seeds glass vial with the Sweet Seeds marking. I'd also like to disclaim that this was purchased from a reliable growshop that I've always had amazing results with my photodependent Sweet Seeds strains.
January 9th was my last update on the plants. Two were just starting to preflower. They didn't bud though, they continued to grow, way past the listed claim of the height being between 60-110cm. In fact, one I had to supercrop multiple times as it was growing like a tree, but like the other semi-autoflowering one, it was just growing and shooting off preflowers.
As far as the runts with broader leaves, they never began to preflower. Instead, they developed very very broad indica leaves, and have a completely different scent. They are what you'd expect from a typical indica plant. Wide wide leaves, short, bushy, tight internodes with also broad leaves, all the branches reach up to about an inch of what will be the main cola.
Anyway, about 5 days ago or so I showed my friend and mentor and legendary botanist and horticulturalist Steve Tuck the plants to get his advice, and he told me to change the light cycle to 12/12, instead of 18/6. Upon doing that, the two large sativa looking plants that were preflowering actually have began to actually bud. This is good news because this "pheno" matches up with every other Sweet Cheese Auto that I've viewed on the internet, at least in terms of scent description, and plant structure, except bigger and a little more lemony.
As far as the indica plants, after 5 days of 12/12, one of them has started to pre-flower everywhere, and I expect will start to bud in the next week or so. The other indica one is the same height and everything but has just started it's pre-flowers.
For what it's worth, the back of the package says it's from Lote: 726 and Cosecha del: 12 MAYO 2019.
I am very inconvenienced by this mishap, as my purpose of growing these autoflowering strains was to give autoflowering strains a chance, and expected these plants to be at least close to being finished during the 8 weeks from germination claim, which would be February 6th, but there is no way in HELL that these plants will be done by then.
Tomorrow I will take pictures and post them here. I have no reason to make this up, and I do believe I will be satisfied by the Sweet Cheese as it already smells amazing now that it finally started to bud on 12/12 and not just grow and throw preflowers. That is good news in a way, because there are bud sites everywhere so I imagine the yield will be larger than I expected.
As far as the indica plants, there is no way in hell that they are sweet cheese of any form. No grow diary I've read on any site had any phenos looking like that, additionally, it acted and grew as a photodependent period plant. Showed preflowers over a month in, but just remained growing bushy and typical indica. Rubbing the smell gives me a burnt rubber scent, acrid, typical of indica. Tommy G, or Sweet Apolo? Do you have any idea what plants these could be?
While severely incovenienced, I am not angry at Sweet Seeds as I understand mistakes happen. If possible, I kindly ask for a valid explanation. I initially was excited for these plants, and was looking forward to my next run with Green Poison autos, but after this experience I am never growing auto's again, as in reality in regards to time, it has been no different at all than growing a photodependant strain for a little over a month and then flipping to 12/12. That's what I had to do, otherwise these would have still kept on growing.
After this negative experience, I can only hope and look forward to an enjoyable smoke, but I will no longer be purchasing any autoflowering genetics from anyone, nor will I be purchasing feminized seeds anymore from anyone. With that said, I don't hate autoflowering plants, or feminized seeds as they are convenient for many people, but not me, not any longer.
I am really saddened by this, as I had high hopes, but I guess as they say, don't count your chickens until they hatch. And I'm sure I will enjoy my medicine once it's ready, but I was hoping it would be ready for harvest in early February, but that's impossible.
Peace, love, and sweet smokes...
Tetra
All 4 plants were grown under the same conditions. It would have been impossible for me to have planted the wrong seeds, as when I went outside to plant them in their substrate, the only thing I had with me was the card containing the legit sweet seeds glass vial with the Sweet Seeds marking. I'd also like to disclaim that this was purchased from a reliable growshop that I've always had amazing results with my photodependent Sweet Seeds strains.
January 9th was my last update on the plants. Two were just starting to preflower. They didn't bud though, they continued to grow, way past the listed claim of the height being between 60-110cm. In fact, one I had to supercrop multiple times as it was growing like a tree, but like the other semi-autoflowering one, it was just growing and shooting off preflowers.
As far as the runts with broader leaves, they never began to preflower. Instead, they developed very very broad indica leaves, and have a completely different scent. They are what you'd expect from a typical indica plant. Wide wide leaves, short, bushy, tight internodes with also broad leaves, all the branches reach up to about an inch of what will be the main cola.
Anyway, about 5 days ago or so I showed my friend and mentor and legendary botanist and horticulturalist Steve Tuck the plants to get his advice, and he told me to change the light cycle to 12/12, instead of 18/6. Upon doing that, the two large sativa looking plants that were preflowering actually have began to actually bud. This is good news because this "pheno" matches up with every other Sweet Cheese Auto that I've viewed on the internet, at least in terms of scent description, and plant structure, except bigger and a little more lemony.
As far as the indica plants, after 5 days of 12/12, one of them has started to pre-flower everywhere, and I expect will start to bud in the next week or so. The other indica one is the same height and everything but has just started it's pre-flowers.
For what it's worth, the back of the package says it's from Lote: 726 and Cosecha del: 12 MAYO 2019.
I am very inconvenienced by this mishap, as my purpose of growing these autoflowering strains was to give autoflowering strains a chance, and expected these plants to be at least close to being finished during the 8 weeks from germination claim, which would be February 6th, but there is no way in HELL that these plants will be done by then.
Tomorrow I will take pictures and post them here. I have no reason to make this up, and I do believe I will be satisfied by the Sweet Cheese as it already smells amazing now that it finally started to bud on 12/12 and not just grow and throw preflowers. That is good news in a way, because there are bud sites everywhere so I imagine the yield will be larger than I expected.
As far as the indica plants, there is no way in hell that they are sweet cheese of any form. No grow diary I've read on any site had any phenos looking like that, additionally, it acted and grew as a photodependent period plant. Showed preflowers over a month in, but just remained growing bushy and typical indica. Rubbing the smell gives me a burnt rubber scent, acrid, typical of indica. Tommy G, or Sweet Apolo? Do you have any idea what plants these could be?
While severely incovenienced, I am not angry at Sweet Seeds as I understand mistakes happen. If possible, I kindly ask for a valid explanation. I initially was excited for these plants, and was looking forward to my next run with Green Poison autos, but after this experience I am never growing auto's again, as in reality in regards to time, it has been no different at all than growing a photodependant strain for a little over a month and then flipping to 12/12. That's what I had to do, otherwise these would have still kept on growing.
After this negative experience, I can only hope and look forward to an enjoyable smoke, but I will no longer be purchasing any autoflowering genetics from anyone, nor will I be purchasing feminized seeds anymore from anyone. With that said, I don't hate autoflowering plants, or feminized seeds as they are convenient for many people, but not me, not any longer.
I am really saddened by this, as I had high hopes, but I guess as they say, don't count your chickens until they hatch. And I'm sure I will enjoy my medicine once it's ready, but I was hoping it would be ready for harvest in early February, but that's impossible.
Peace, love, and sweet smokes...
Tetra
Day 46. As you can see, two plants are finally flowering out now that they've been under 12/12 for a week. The indica looking plants are now preflowering everywhere but aren't budding yet. I expect them to start budding within a week.
I'm curious Sweet Seeds, what photodependent strain do you have in your catalog that this could be?
As you can see the size difference, and the fact that only 2 are flowering and only started to really flower after 12/12... Group shot, the sativa looking plants, and the indica looking plants.
Peace and Love,
Tetra
I'm curious Sweet Seeds, what photodependent strain do you have in your catalog that this could be?
As you can see the size difference, and the fact that only 2 are flowering and only started to really flower after 12/12... Group shot, the sativa looking plants, and the indica looking plants.
Peace and Love,
Tetra
Here are three more additional pictures to accompany my above post, and the one on the last page, with my questions to Sweet Seeds. Once again, for those who missed it, these plants continued to grow, the two Sativa looking plants kept growing but only pre-flowering. The indica plants just kept getting fatter and branchier but never preflowered. After being in 12/12 for about a week, the two sativas started to actually bud, and the indica looking plants are just now pre-flowering and I believe they will start actually budding within the coming week.
Again the back of the package says Lote: 726 and Cosecha del: 12 MAYO 2019.
The claim of being ready in 10 days is absurd as the sativa looking plants need at least another 6 weeks of budding, and the indicas, probably another 8 weeks.
Again, while not angry at Sweet Seeds this is a huge inconvenience and deal breaker for me. I just want an explanation and to know what my indica plants are, as they are clearly not autoflowering and clearly not Sweet Cheese in any of it's forms or phenos, and it was impossible for me to plant the wrong seeds as these were the only seeds I had, bought directly from a reliable source with the unopened vial still glued to the package.
Here is a birds eye view, and then some upclose bud shots of the two plants that are actually budding once placed under 12/12.
Again the back of the package says Lote: 726 and Cosecha del: 12 MAYO 2019.
The claim of being ready in 10 days is absurd as the sativa looking plants need at least another 6 weeks of budding, and the indicas, probably another 8 weeks.
Again, while not angry at Sweet Seeds this is a huge inconvenience and deal breaker for me. I just want an explanation and to know what my indica plants are, as they are clearly not autoflowering and clearly not Sweet Cheese in any of it's forms or phenos, and it was impossible for me to plant the wrong seeds as these were the only seeds I had, bought directly from a reliable source with the unopened vial still glued to the package.
Here is a birds eye view, and then some upclose bud shots of the two plants that are actually budding once placed under 12/12.
SweetApolo
Active member
Hi @tetragrammaton
First of all, I apologize for any trouble you may have had.
What has happened to you is an exceptional case, so we will study it more personally and together with other members of the team. I'm sending you a private one to collect the rest of the information and solve the situation.
Kind regards,
-Apolo
First of all, I apologize for any trouble you may have had.
What has happened to you is an exceptional case, so we will study it more personally and together with other members of the team. I'm sending you a private one to collect the rest of the information and solve the situation.
Kind regards,
-Apolo
Thank you SweetApolo, I PM'd you.
Once again, I am not angry at Sweet Seeds, as mistakes can happen to anybody, just inconvenienced, as if I wanted to wait this long for a harvest I would have grown a photodependent variety with as long as this has taken.
With that said, the Sativa dom looking plants are packing on resin, and are LOUD. Rubbing the internode branches leaves your fingers smelling like dank lemon, and is super sticky too. So, even though this is a huge inconvenience, I have faith that the two Sativa dominant plants will be pleasant.
As far as the indicas, well they are still doing their thing. One is now flowering properly, the other one is still throwing some pistils out, but they will be fed again tomorrow. They don't have much of a smell. A very very mild acrid/herbally smell, nothing sweet, citrusy, cheesey, piney, skunky, or anything so I'm curious what it could be, although I'm hoping to have some nice fat dense indica buds.
Once again, I am not angry at Sweet Seeds, as mistakes can happen to anybody, just inconvenienced, as if I wanted to wait this long for a harvest I would have grown a photodependent variety with as long as this has taken.
With that said, the Sativa dom looking plants are packing on resin, and are LOUD. Rubbing the internode branches leaves your fingers smelling like dank lemon, and is super sticky too. So, even though this is a huge inconvenience, I have faith that the two Sativa dominant plants will be pleasant.
As far as the indicas, well they are still doing their thing. One is now flowering properly, the other one is still throwing some pistils out, but they will be fed again tomorrow. They don't have much of a smell. A very very mild acrid/herbally smell, nothing sweet, citrusy, cheesey, piney, skunky, or anything so I'm curious what it could be, although I'm hoping to have some nice fat dense indica buds.
Email sent with videos and pictures as requested
Peace and Love,
Tetra
Peace and Love,
Tetra
G
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Hey Tetra
Check here if you want https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=8440037&postcount=36
I also had two phenos of Sweet cheese ,indica-sativa and the indica took more to show .They did take longer than expected.The sativa one was one of the best auto highs I have had,liked it a lot.
Check here if you want https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=8440037&postcount=36
I also had two phenos of Sweet cheese ,indica-sativa and the indica took more to show .They did take longer than expected.The sativa one was one of the best auto highs I have had,liked it a lot.
Well, even though they didn't autoflower, I am really pleased with one of my Sweet Cheese's. Out of all 4, it is the only one that is loud, and the only one that is extremely frosty especially so early in flowering.
This plant is 50 days old, and has been flowering for about 2 weeks. Each day more and more trichs, and more pistils. I can't wait to watch these buds develope and swell. I am sure that THIS plant will be incredible. The stems are extremely sticky and extremely lemony and skunky. My other sativa pheno barely has any trichs, and the indica looking ones, one is budding, and the other is still pre-flowering but appears to be starting to actually bud.
It's a shame that these were supposed to be ready for harvest in 4 days, but I guess good things come to those who wait, and this plant I'm sure will be amazing. The others I'm not so sure, but oh well, you live and you learn.
I guess if I were ever to grow another strain from Sweet Seeds again, it would be original Green Poison, not the fast version or the auto version, but Green Poison, as it never has failed me. While one sweet cheese looks and smells promising, the other three are boring and none autoflowered as advertised. I might consider buying a pack of their Sweet Cheese that isn't labeled as fast version or autoflowering, but I think I'm done with buying feminized seeds in general after this experience.
Peace,
Tetra
This plant is 50 days old, and has been flowering for about 2 weeks. Each day more and more trichs, and more pistils. I can't wait to watch these buds develope and swell. I am sure that THIS plant will be incredible. The stems are extremely sticky and extremely lemony and skunky. My other sativa pheno barely has any trichs, and the indica looking ones, one is budding, and the other is still pre-flowering but appears to be starting to actually bud.
It's a shame that these were supposed to be ready for harvest in 4 days, but I guess good things come to those who wait, and this plant I'm sure will be amazing. The others I'm not so sure, but oh well, you live and you learn.
I guess if I were ever to grow another strain from Sweet Seeds again, it would be original Green Poison, not the fast version or the auto version, but Green Poison, as it never has failed me. While one sweet cheese looks and smells promising, the other three are boring and none autoflowered as advertised. I might consider buying a pack of their Sweet Cheese that isn't labeled as fast version or autoflowering, but I think I'm done with buying feminized seeds in general after this experience.
Peace,
Tetra
I'll have an update in the next few days. In the meantime I have named my plants. The loud frosty lemony one is called Sweet Baby Cheezus, but I might change it to Shanaynay, as that's what I usually name my favorite plant during a grow.
The other Sativa is named Rihanna because I put her through a lot of abuse with the intense supercropping to keep her under control.
One of the short indica's I named Weirdo, because she moves her leaves throughout the day in weird positions, like sideways, sometimes upside down, but then usually they go back to normal at some point during the day, so she's weird.
Then, the indica that's budding, I named Basic Bitch, as she has no scent, no frost, and by my estimation, I will be lucky if I get an 8th off of the plant. I'm sure I'll get way over an O from each of the Sativa doms.
The weirdo might be a producer, as she keeps on growing and preflowering, only now is actually starting to bud.
Again, all of these were labeled as Sweet Cheese Auto, but none autoflowered, and none started flowering until placed under 12/12. While incovenienced, I'm not angry at Sweet Seeds, but I am patiently waiting for an explanation, as I've grown nothing but Sweet Seeds for years but mostly Green Poison.
Either way, I'm happy with Shaniqua, (Sha nay nay) and Rihanna is starting to catch up. She will yield a little more than Shanaynay, but she isn't as intense.
The other Sativa is named Rihanna because I put her through a lot of abuse with the intense supercropping to keep her under control.
One of the short indica's I named Weirdo, because she moves her leaves throughout the day in weird positions, like sideways, sometimes upside down, but then usually they go back to normal at some point during the day, so she's weird.
Then, the indica that's budding, I named Basic Bitch, as she has no scent, no frost, and by my estimation, I will be lucky if I get an 8th off of the plant. I'm sure I'll get way over an O from each of the Sativa doms.
The weirdo might be a producer, as she keeps on growing and preflowering, only now is actually starting to bud.
Again, all of these were labeled as Sweet Cheese Auto, but none autoflowered, and none started flowering until placed under 12/12. While incovenienced, I'm not angry at Sweet Seeds, but I am patiently waiting for an explanation, as I've grown nothing but Sweet Seeds for years but mostly Green Poison.
Either way, I'm happy with Shaniqua, (Sha nay nay) and Rihanna is starting to catch up. She will yield a little more than Shanaynay, but she isn't as intense.
Well, today marks day 55 from germination. Sweet Seeds has been very kind and has gotten back to me, and I simply have very rare phenos, but I am very pleased with some of them, so while inconvenienced, again, I am not angry, and they have been very professional and helpful and generous, so look forward to my next grow, as it will be Sweet Seeds.
Anyway, as promised. Day 55 pictures. The plants have been under 12/12 for about 3 weeks now, and in the past week have really started to explode (at least the sativa dominant ones). The two bushy indicas, well one appears to be just a slower growing version of the sativa doms, as it is starting to branch and grow and still preflower like the others but now it is actually starting to flower. The short bushy indica dom one remains short and bushy, and I will honestly be surprised if I get 3 grams dried, but here are the pictures.
In order, Shaniqua and Basic Bitch (To show the extreme pheno difference), Rihanna and Weirdo (who I decided to name Cardi B, as you can see, she is weird and moves her leaves in random positions throughout the day). Then, is the frost of Shaniqua, and then last but not least, the main cola of Rihanna.
I am not sure how long it will take for these to finish, as they seem to be flowering faster than photodependant period strains, so if these were photodependant, I'd say at least 6 more weeks, but I guess I'll wait and see, as they are surprising me now with their fast flowering. Clearly the Sativa doms will finish first, followed by Basic Bitch, and then the last to finish will be Weirdo aka Cardi B, who out of all 4 now has a scent, but not a pleasant one. She smells like onions and not in a pleasant way, but I've smoked bud with that same horrible onion smell that luckily didn't translate to taste or smell once ground. Basic bitch has no scent except mild and herbally with a hint of coffee, Rihanna is fruity and sweet, and Shaniqua is lemon candy skunk primo scent already.
Peace, Love, & Sweet Smokes,
Tetra
Anyway, as promised. Day 55 pictures. The plants have been under 12/12 for about 3 weeks now, and in the past week have really started to explode (at least the sativa dominant ones). The two bushy indicas, well one appears to be just a slower growing version of the sativa doms, as it is starting to branch and grow and still preflower like the others but now it is actually starting to flower. The short bushy indica dom one remains short and bushy, and I will honestly be surprised if I get 3 grams dried, but here are the pictures.
In order, Shaniqua and Basic Bitch (To show the extreme pheno difference), Rihanna and Weirdo (who I decided to name Cardi B, as you can see, she is weird and moves her leaves in random positions throughout the day). Then, is the frost of Shaniqua, and then last but not least, the main cola of Rihanna.
I am not sure how long it will take for these to finish, as they seem to be flowering faster than photodependant period strains, so if these were photodependant, I'd say at least 6 more weeks, but I guess I'll wait and see, as they are surprising me now with their fast flowering. Clearly the Sativa doms will finish first, followed by Basic Bitch, and then the last to finish will be Weirdo aka Cardi B, who out of all 4 now has a scent, but not a pleasant one. She smells like onions and not in a pleasant way, but I've smoked bud with that same horrible onion smell that luckily didn't translate to taste or smell once ground. Basic bitch has no scent except mild and herbally with a hint of coffee, Rihanna is fruity and sweet, and Shaniqua is lemon candy skunk primo scent already.
Peace, Love, & Sweet Smokes,
Tetra
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