Well good luck friend. I'm sure everything will be OK 
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B.C.
CalMag can be used when no deficiencies are there, helps to prevent any.
I used Fox Farm a few grows ago and it needs the additives.
Soil takes a lot of screwing around to dial in, many grows. I use to root bound all the time Calmag helped keep them healthy during that time. By the time Flower is set well you dont use it any more, but durring Vegg and Early Flower CalMag works wonders.
I transplanted at 30 days flower and it didn't work very well at all. The Plant lived but never yielded very well, roots slow down so it never took to the pot it was in. 12 days should be ok. sooner the better.
B.C is right about perlite you need a lot of it.
I still feel that Soil Growing is an Art and Hydro a Science. Takes time to learn either of them. Cutting your teeth with soil is the best way to learn to grow i think.
Sin
CalMag can be used when no deficiencies are there, helps to prevent any.
I used Fox Farm a few grows ago and it needs the additives.
Soil takes a lot of screwing around to dial in, many grows. I use to root bound all the time Calmag helped keep them healthy during that time. By the time Flower is set well you dont use it any more, but durring Vegg and Early Flower CalMag works wonders.
I transplanted at 30 days flower and it didn't work very well at all. The Plant lived but never yielded very well, roots slow down so it never took to the pot it was in. 12 days should be ok. sooner the better.
B.C is right about perlite you need a lot of it.
I still feel that Soil Growing is an Art and Hydro a Science. Takes time to learn either of them. Cutting your teeth with soil is the best way to learn to grow i think.
Sin
Ocean Forest eh? That stuff's rich.
You won't need to feed hardly at all. As a matter of fact... It could be lockout of some sort, due to pH fluctuations... I experienced that problem with Ocean Forest, rich stuff, difficult to add any other nutes to it without overdosing with one element or another. This is why I use soiless only, total control over what's in the soil. With Ocean Forest, there's an unknown amount of food being unleashed to the plant at an unknown rate, and will be depleted - who the hell knows when. So adding any nutes on top of this is going to be a crap shoot.
What I'd do in your situation:
Flush, lightly. Not a complete, long flush with gallons and gallons of water. Why a little flush? Because it's an organic mix, there's little good that can be done by flushing an organic mix with too much water... The food will still be in there, it's built right in.
So, a slight flush, to remove any dissolvable salts (elements that have been released and made available to the plant by the organic decomposition in the soil).
Then... Feed them! Yes, sounds stupid to feed right after a flush, but you should. Feed them extremely lightly, maybe 1/8th of the recommended amount. The point is to get SOME nitrogen into the soil right away. Use the Grow formula, and maybe some micro. But ever so light on the ferts!
A tip on thorough flushing:
Use the double dosing method. I like to call it the double dose flush. This is a technique that helps to remove those stubborn, dried salts from the inner guts of your growing medium. If you don't allow the salts you're trying to flush to dissolve into the water you flush with, then you won't get the proper flush.
Double dose by adding enough water to the soil so that excess just begins to drip from the bottom of the pot. That's dose #1.
Let dose #1 sit in the soil while you move on to another plant...
Once 5 or more minutes go by, the soil is ready for the 2nd, and final flushing dose.
After letting it sit a while those 5+ minutes, water it again (very slowly), with about the same amount as dose #1. This will run the first dose out of town, so-to-speak.
And since dose #1 has been sitting with those salts (that you're trying to flush out) for 5+ minutes, those salts have been dissolved into dose #1 and can be pushed out the bottom of the pot when dose #2 arrives.
Since a thorough flush, like this, strips the soil of available nutrients, you'll need to feed them something (that 1/8th strength formula I mentioned above).
You can actually make dose #2 the 1/8th strength Grow solution - if you want - since this dose is chasing out the shitty salts you were trying to get rid of in the first place. You are effectively chasing the yucky stuff out with the right stuff.
P.S. I used to use strong organic mediums, but the inability to control the amounts and frequencies of food to the plants drove me to go soiless. I add EJ to my soiless mix, this gives me control. When it's flushing time, I know I am flushing the soil and getting CLEAN medium when I finish. That's not possible with overly rich organic mixes. A lightly organic mix is even better, i.e. Pro Mix (soiless) with about 1/4 volume of Ocean Forest mixed in. This gives you the best of both worlds.
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You won't need to feed hardly at all. As a matter of fact... It could be lockout of some sort, due to pH fluctuations... I experienced that problem with Ocean Forest, rich stuff, difficult to add any other nutes to it without overdosing with one element or another. This is why I use soiless only, total control over what's in the soil. With Ocean Forest, there's an unknown amount of food being unleashed to the plant at an unknown rate, and will be depleted - who the hell knows when. So adding any nutes on top of this is going to be a crap shoot.
What I'd do in your situation:
Flush, lightly. Not a complete, long flush with gallons and gallons of water. Why a little flush? Because it's an organic mix, there's little good that can be done by flushing an organic mix with too much water... The food will still be in there, it's built right in.
So, a slight flush, to remove any dissolvable salts (elements that have been released and made available to the plant by the organic decomposition in the soil).
Then... Feed them! Yes, sounds stupid to feed right after a flush, but you should. Feed them extremely lightly, maybe 1/8th of the recommended amount. The point is to get SOME nitrogen into the soil right away. Use the Grow formula, and maybe some micro. But ever so light on the ferts!
A tip on thorough flushing:
Use the double dosing method. I like to call it the double dose flush. This is a technique that helps to remove those stubborn, dried salts from the inner guts of your growing medium. If you don't allow the salts you're trying to flush to dissolve into the water you flush with, then you won't get the proper flush.
Double dose by adding enough water to the soil so that excess just begins to drip from the bottom of the pot. That's dose #1.
Let dose #1 sit in the soil while you move on to another plant...
Once 5 or more minutes go by, the soil is ready for the 2nd, and final flushing dose.
After letting it sit a while those 5+ minutes, water it again (very slowly), with about the same amount as dose #1. This will run the first dose out of town, so-to-speak.
And since dose #1 has been sitting with those salts (that you're trying to flush out) for 5+ minutes, those salts have been dissolved into dose #1 and can be pushed out the bottom of the pot when dose #2 arrives.
Since a thorough flush, like this, strips the soil of available nutrients, you'll need to feed them something (that 1/8th strength formula I mentioned above).
You can actually make dose #2 the 1/8th strength Grow solution - if you want - since this dose is chasing out the shitty salts you were trying to get rid of in the first place. You are effectively chasing the yucky stuff out with the right stuff.
P.S. I used to use strong organic mediums, but the inability to control the amounts and frequencies of food to the plants drove me to go soiless. I add EJ to my soiless mix, this gives me control. When it's flushing time, I know I am flushing the soil and getting CLEAN medium when I finish. That's not possible with overly rich organic mixes. A lightly organic mix is even better, i.e. Pro Mix (soiless) with about 1/4 volume of Ocean Forest mixed in. This gives you the best of both worlds.
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Crazy Composer said:
thank you for such a detailed desc. i did just as you told me to do i fed it some 5-1-1 very lightly and the girls are sleeping right now i will have to see in the morning what they look like.
when can i transplant them?
should i wait until they come back alive again or do it now??
When to xplant?
Is the pot full of roots? Are the roots holding the medium together when you take the root ball out of the pot for inspection? If so, then you can transplant, if not, you can still transplant :smile: It's just not important to do so until the roots have filled the avilable space. Most any time a plant is transplanted to more soil, it will do better than before the transplant.
As for waiting til they come back alive, I wouldn't. IF you transplant, you won't want to feed them anything at first. Give them a week or so of pure water after the transplant to see how they react. Remember, OF has plenty of nutes in it to feed for the first week after transplant. If anything (during the first week after xplant), a light solution foliar spray with the fans off, just before lights come on. IF they look like they need it, but I doubt they will. cc
Is the pot full of roots? Are the roots holding the medium together when you take the root ball out of the pot for inspection? If so, then you can transplant, if not, you can still transplant :smile: It's just not important to do so until the roots have filled the avilable space. Most any time a plant is transplanted to more soil, it will do better than before the transplant.
As for waiting til they come back alive, I wouldn't. IF you transplant, you won't want to feed them anything at first. Give them a week or so of pure water after the transplant to see how they react. Remember, OF has plenty of nutes in it to feed for the first week after transplant. If anything (during the first week after xplant), a light solution foliar spray with the fans off, just before lights come on. IF they look like they need it, but I doubt they will. cc
lol...
lol...
Hey guys what ever happend to reading your plants ? letting them tell you what they want. RULE #1 right ? Up untill this point his plants were healthy, no ph lock out, no defs.,no yellowing leaves, no burnt tips and a healthy green color. I'd say if there was somethin wrong with his soil he wouldn't have got this far without the plant showing some kinda sign besides droopy leaves. Naw he's doin fine jus needs to get his watering down a little better. Well as the old saying goes too many cooks in the kitchen spoils the soup... yall take care and stay safe... Hey Boss let us know how they turn out, best of luck to ya....BC
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Hey guys what ever happend to reading your plants ? letting them tell you what they want. RULE #1 right ? Up untill this point his plants were healthy, no ph lock out, no defs.,no yellowing leaves, no burnt tips and a healthy green color. I'd say if there was somethin wrong with his soil he wouldn't have got this far without the plant showing some kinda sign besides droopy leaves. Naw he's doin fine jus needs to get his watering down a little better. Well as the old saying goes too many cooks in the kitchen spoils the soup... yall take care and stay safe... Hey Boss let us know how they turn out, best of luck to ya....BC
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Good morning everyone. The girls have come back to life i was so amazed on how great they look all leaves are pointing up towards the light what a pretty stance. i gave her some 5-1-1 last night before i went to bed and they did a complete 360 .
Flushing them really helped so damn much.
THANK YOU B.C., Crazy composer, SIN, and everyone else who helped, i will have some pictures later on today,
Question: on the next watering should i feed it bloom or wait for the following watering to feed. they are in flower for 13 days now.
i will keep this post updated as these ladies continue their journey to the end.
thanks again for everyones help you people are awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Flushing them really helped so damn much.
THANK YOU B.C., Crazy composer, SIN, and everyone else who helped, i will have some pictures later on today,
Question: on the next watering should i feed it bloom or wait for the following watering to feed. they are in flower for 13 days now.
i will keep this post updated as these ladies continue their journey to the end.
thanks again for everyones help you people are awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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hi everyone here are the updated pictures of the sick girls which never look like they wefre even sick
Most excellent :smile:
Special Thanks to our "Executive Chef" Crazy Composer, excellent information, useful to many. Two thumbs up.
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I.M. Boggled said:Special Thanks to our "Executive Chef" Crazy Composer, excellent information, useful to many. Two thumbs up.
well.. would ya look at that !
well.. would ya look at that !
You know between CC'S sage advice and the WATER your plant's look GREAT ! Right on Boss your doin a great job ! Now my only hope is a society where it is safe to be unpopular ! LOL... after all I am BC of the corn people, I know not of your SOOFISTYCATED ways.... hehehe... take care BC
well.. would ya look at that !
You know between CC'S sage advice and the WATER your plant's look GREAT ! Right on Boss your doin a great job ! Now my only hope is a society where it is safe to be unpopular ! LOL... after all I am BC of the corn people, I know not of your SOOFISTYCATED ways.... hehehe... take care BC
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B.C. said:
thank you B.C. i couldnt have done with everyones help. C.C. you helped me a lot thanks again
Sometimes the root zone's balance is thrown out, this way or that...
What matters is balancing it. So, flushing -correctly- then replacing what you flushed with a fresh, well balanced nute solution will bring things back to balance quickly.
It's all about the roots. What goes wrong with the roots most often is an over -or under- abundance of food. If we flush when they are showing sick, and replace with a guarranteed proper dose, you can't go wrong.
What matters is balancing it. So, flushing -correctly- then replacing what you flushed with a fresh, well balanced nute solution will bring things back to balance quickly.
It's all about the roots. What goes wrong with the roots most often is an over -or under- abundance of food. If we flush when they are showing sick, and replace with a guarranteed proper dose, you can't go wrong.
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hhhmmm...
I've been useing this very method for five years now so I've gotter dialed in pretty good.I have never had problems with my root zone being out of balance, to be honest with ya I never heard of that before...unless your talking about ph in that case your plant will tell ya about it in the form of yellowing leaves but that wasn't the case here... I do agree fully about flushing. It's the quickest way to rid the plant of what's makeing it sick ie; ph problems,over ferting,salt build up ect...I'll also flush every two weeks or so in flower when I'm hitting them heavy with bb.And when I do flush I flush till the water comes out clear. I also agree you need to give them something to eat at that point. I use 1/2 cup bb to a gal. of water and a table spoon of topmax.You know ff soil is rich but that's a good thing. It being organic with a killer microherd in it means that the plants roots are going to thrive, thus makeing the plant thrive. Not to mention every time you give it bb you are putting more micro-critters in soil to break down that wonderfully rich soil for your plant to eat. I do think a person should cut this soil with 25-30 % perlite.You water more often but that's a good thing cause that forces more air into your soil and roots. The key to growing is not just roots but it is getting AIR to them roots,it dosen't matter if your in hydro or soil the more air the better..... Bottom line... This foxfarm method is one of the easiest to use and teach to others.Knowing how well it works I still can't help but think all the plants needed in this thread was water...BC
hhhmmm...
I've been useing this very method for five years now so I've gotter dialed in pretty good.I have never had problems with my root zone being out of balance, to be honest with ya I never heard of that before...unless your talking about ph in that case your plant will tell ya about it in the form of yellowing leaves but that wasn't the case here... I do agree fully about flushing. It's the quickest way to rid the plant of what's makeing it sick ie; ph problems,over ferting,salt build up ect...I'll also flush every two weeks or so in flower when I'm hitting them heavy with bb.And when I do flush I flush till the water comes out clear. I also agree you need to give them something to eat at that point. I use 1/2 cup bb to a gal. of water and a table spoon of topmax.You know ff soil is rich but that's a good thing. It being organic with a killer microherd in it means that the plants roots are going to thrive, thus makeing the plant thrive. Not to mention every time you give it bb you are putting more micro-critters in soil to break down that wonderfully rich soil for your plant to eat. I do think a person should cut this soil with 25-30 % perlite.You water more often but that's a good thing cause that forces more air into your soil and roots. The key to growing is not just roots but it is getting AIR to them roots,it dosen't matter if your in hydro or soil the more air the better..... Bottom line... This foxfarm method is one of the easiest to use and teach to others.Knowing how well it works I still can't help but think all the plants needed in this thread was water...BC
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hello everyone the girls are looking better than ever i am going to feed them today with 1/2 cup bb to a gallon of water the bud sites are really staring to show 14 days flower.
will keep everyone updated on these girls
thanks again
will keep everyone updated on these girls
thanks again
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Excellent! Keeper' Green & Stay Safe!
Proof's in the perverbial puddin', I reckon.
Some people have poor water that throws balance out. Sometimes it's the heat around the root zone, sometimes it's pH, but no matter what the cause is, it needs to be balanced as soon as it's identified.
The causes need to be worked out seperately.
When an ER doctor gets a patient with a gunshot, he doesn't go after the gun slinger who shot him - not right away - he tries to fix the hole and stabilize the patient. The cause of the problem is secondary. Deal with it after the patient is stable.
Now that the girls are stable, what do you think the issue was? It's nearly impossible to tell (from here) what caused the problem. After years and years of trying to help folks figure out what went wrong, I find it's usually a futile thing to try. The only thing that we can do is to help stabilize the situation and give the gardener some time to figure out what went wrong in the first place.
And remember, my advice is tailored to a gardener who is looking for herb that is so clean that joints burn right to your fingertips every time. Overly-rich organic soils make it nearly impossible to get the buds cleaned out by harvest time. Sure, they're good, but good isn't what I'm looking for, personally. I want my buds to taste better than any other bud I've ever smoked, and they do. Not bragging, but I prefer my buds over any other that I've smoked. When you burn one of my joints, you know that you are smoking pure weed, no nutes, no dark green taste, nothing like that, just trichomes and clean plant matter. This high standard can't be reached with heavy organic soils. The organics will provide nutes to the plants that leave a less than perfect taste and burn in the final product. It's good, but not superb.
Because I use this flushing method on a totally soiless medium, I can control what the plant has to eat. So when it's almost harvest time, I can strip the soil of almost all traces of nutrient so that the plant sucks up nothing but water for the last couple of weeks.
You know it's working when the leaves start to turn yellow, then the leaves start falling off. It's messy, but the final product is so good that many smokers wouldn't even fathom that herb could be that good.
It burns so good that you can light a bud, put it on the edge of an ashtry and it will burn all the way down to ashes without assistance. It burns like insence, and since it's so clean, there's nothing in there to interfere with the action of the phychoactive elements. Every hit tastes great, right down to the tip of the joint.
I have never been able to get this high of a quality out of rich soil, it's virtually impossible. Most gardeners just simply don't know it can get that good. It can. Rich soil grows healthy plants, sure, but I grow to smoke buds, not to weigh them. It's much easier to grow in organic soil because the soil can usually take care of most things for you, but the final product has never been satisfactory to me. I'm a total pot snob, I admit it.
Some people have poor water that throws balance out. Sometimes it's the heat around the root zone, sometimes it's pH, but no matter what the cause is, it needs to be balanced as soon as it's identified.
The causes need to be worked out seperately.
When an ER doctor gets a patient with a gunshot, he doesn't go after the gun slinger who shot him - not right away - he tries to fix the hole and stabilize the patient. The cause of the problem is secondary. Deal with it after the patient is stable.
Now that the girls are stable, what do you think the issue was? It's nearly impossible to tell (from here) what caused the problem. After years and years of trying to help folks figure out what went wrong, I find it's usually a futile thing to try. The only thing that we can do is to help stabilize the situation and give the gardener some time to figure out what went wrong in the first place.
And remember, my advice is tailored to a gardener who is looking for herb that is so clean that joints burn right to your fingertips every time. Overly-rich organic soils make it nearly impossible to get the buds cleaned out by harvest time. Sure, they're good, but good isn't what I'm looking for, personally. I want my buds to taste better than any other bud I've ever smoked, and they do. Not bragging, but I prefer my buds over any other that I've smoked. When you burn one of my joints, you know that you are smoking pure weed, no nutes, no dark green taste, nothing like that, just trichomes and clean plant matter. This high standard can't be reached with heavy organic soils. The organics will provide nutes to the plants that leave a less than perfect taste and burn in the final product. It's good, but not superb.
Because I use this flushing method on a totally soiless medium, I can control what the plant has to eat. So when it's almost harvest time, I can strip the soil of almost all traces of nutrient so that the plant sucks up nothing but water for the last couple of weeks.
You know it's working when the leaves start to turn yellow, then the leaves start falling off. It's messy, but the final product is so good that many smokers wouldn't even fathom that herb could be that good.
It burns so good that you can light a bud, put it on the edge of an ashtry and it will burn all the way down to ashes without assistance. It burns like insence, and since it's so clean, there's nothing in there to interfere with the action of the phychoactive elements. Every hit tastes great, right down to the tip of the joint.
I have never been able to get this high of a quality out of rich soil, it's virtually impossible. Most gardeners just simply don't know it can get that good. It can. Rich soil grows healthy plants, sure, but I grow to smoke buds, not to weigh them. It's much easier to grow in organic soil because the soil can usually take care of most things for you, but the final product has never been satisfactory to me. I'm a total pot snob, I admit it.
