HELP PLEASE HELP!!!!! my girls look like they are dying PICS!!!

[Guest]

i really need some help with my 2 girls they are wilting pretty badly they are seeming to get worse they are really green look great except for the fact they are wilting even the new growth is wilting.

i have a 400w hps it was about 12 inches from the tops i thought maybe thats the problem it definately isnt overwatering the pots were dry i flushed them today i thought also it may be nutrient lock up, there is no yellowing of the leaves. humidity and temps are ok day time temps are 80 and night time about 60.
the stems are also red on the fan leaves

please help i want these girls to survive

 

[Guest]

hey

hey

i got 1 word for yta bro ,, it is called (flush) you have way too much nitrogen in there flush 3 x the amout of soil with water ,, 1 gallon soil , 3 gallons water.
2 gls = 6 gls.. water ,, after the plant dries out a lil , start adding small amounts of food again .. you simply over ferting the plant ,, and also on the last water add some h2o2 3 tbs per gallon for oxygen ,,

 

[Guest]

i flushed them only with 1 gallon of water and wont be able to flush the rest until tomorrow morning because when i get lights are out they are in 12/12 right now will it be ok to flush them in the morning

 

[Guest]

My first guess would be overwatering... However, after saying you are sure that is not it...

Those stems are pretty red from the looks of it in your pictures usually indicative of needing ferts - Depending on how long it was in between feedings, they may just be in temp shock, recovering from a big "meal." A good flush will help.

Flushng involves holding the plant and container over something to catch the water and do exactly what Sunsim said above.... You flush all at once and then let it dry out and recover. By drowning it day after day, you are REALLY gonna have problems.

As long as you are 100% sure it's not due to overwatering.........


Good luck.

 

[Crazy Composer]

Are they rootbound?

It doesn't look like overfeeding to me... There should be burnt leaf tips for it to be overfeeding. It looks like root stress of some sort.

If you EVER let them get really, really dry, this can cause problems. They don't like dry feet at all.

Seems like there's some difficulty in getting water into the plant. There's a negative vacuum going on (downcurled leaves), which can mean that the pH is screwey, or that the plant has RECENTLY been overfed.

As for Ph, if you use a mix with lime mixed in, pH shouldn't be much of an issue.

As for overfeeding, if the problems started after a feeding, then I would agree with the other guys, flush, but if not, you might even want to consider feeding. Red stems, where there was once not red stems, is a sign of nitrogen deficiency setting in. Of course, deficiencies can come even when there's plenty available to eat, usually as a result of some sort of root damage. Such damage is often caused by not watering in time. The tiny, tender new roots die off in bone dry soil, and then the next time you water, these dead roots begin to decay and cause canker sores on your root system. NEVER let them go completely dry.

What medium are you using? What nutes? What sort of feeding regimen are you using?

 

[Guest]

Are they rootbound?

It doesn't look like overfeeding to me... There should be burnt leaf tips for it to be overfeeding. It looks like root stress of some sort.

If you EVER let them get really, really dry, this can cause problems. They don't like dry feet at all.

Seems like there's some difficulty in getting water into the plant. There's a negative vacuum going on (downcurled leaves), which can mean that the pH is screwey, or that the plant has RECENTLY been overfed.

As for Ph, if you use a mix with lime mixed in, pH shouldn't be much of an issue.

As for overfeeding, if the problems started after a feeding, then I would agree with the other guys, flush, but if not, you might even want to consider feeding. Red stems, where there was once not red stems, is a sign of nitrogen deficiency setting in. Of course, deficiencies can come even when there's plenty available to eat, usually as a result of some sort of root damage. Such damage is often caused by not watering in time. The tiny, tender new roots die off in bone dry soil, and then the next time you water, these dead roots begin to decay and cause canker sores on your root system. NEVER let them go completely dry.

What medium are you using? What nutes? What sort of feeding regimen are you using?

ff ocean forest,big bloom, water every 3-4 days, after i flush them what should i do for the next feeding

 

[B.C.]

hmmm...

hmmm...

I think if there was lockout (ph/nutes) the leaves would be discoloring. I think there just not getting enough water, have you cut the FF soil with perlite ? if so I'd bet it's your problem. good luck.... BC BTW... have they perked up any since you watered them ? also how have ya been feeding up til now ?

 

[Guest]

I think if there was lockout (ph/nutes) the leaves would be discoloring. I think there just not getting enough water, have you cut the FF soil with perlight ? if so I'd bet it's your problem. good luck.... BC

i didnt add any perlite at all except for what came in soil

 

[Sinfuldreams]

1st Flush

1st Flush

Do as SunSim said.
Let it dry out ( not Bone Dry )
Add your Big Bloom 1/2 strength.
Get CalMag add per Label full strength.
FF also makes Tiger Bloom get some of that too.
You can use CalMag every watering but I like to lower the dose over time.

As to what caused this? I'm not sure. Looks like over watering. But CrazyC's point about Root Bound plants rings true. Mabe transplant them.

Sin

 

[m.steelers]

I use organic ferts, and most times if I overfert, I dont see signs of burning via yellow tips etc unless it is really really bad. Rather, what I see is the leaves doing odd things like you have above. Either curling under like the ram horn or sometimes doing other things like pointing up, twisting etc. This is because the overfert locked out other nutes like Mg, at least that is my theory. I agree with the flush job and weak feeding, I dont think they are in danger of dying at this time, looks like you are catching it before it gets too bad. Just be careful not to overflush like Gunns said.

edit: After I read CCs post again - that makes sense too... a transplant certainly wont hurt if you are careful, ya know?

My 2 cents - good luck bud.

 

[Guest]

Do as SunSim said.
Let it dry out ( not Bone Dry )
Add your Big Bloom 1/2 strength.
Get CalMag add per Label full strength.
FF also makes Tiger Bloom get some of that too.
You can use CalMag every watering but I like to lower the dose over time.

As to what caused this? I'm not sure. Looks like over watering. But CrazyC's point about Root Bound plants rings true. Mabe transplant them.

Sin

they have been in 12/12 for 12 days now is it safe to transplant into bigger pots and if so what size and how far will it set me back??

 

[B.C.]

Hey Sin.

Hey Sin.

Why calmag when they are not showing signs of defs.? This is a water issue; he's not watering enough (to small of a container will add to this) or too much, which it very well could be to much without added perlite o.f. can be a bit heavy.I use F.F. O.F. cut with 30% perlite and big bloom only, feeding every other water. The K.I.S.S. method at it's finest... BC

 

[m.steelers]

If you are really careful you can transplant now with no issues. You just have to be gentle.

 

[Brownpants]

How is your drainage? You might not have enough perlite in your soil mix, causing overwatering problems, especially in the bottom part of the pots. Stop foliar spraying if you are doing that at all. Other than that, It is either overwtaering or underwatering that is causing the droopiness wilting. If it was nutrient related, I think you would see other signs of that in the leaves.

Good luck....Saving those lovely ladies.

 

[B.C.]

First let me say you have to drowned them in BB to over fert them, it's pretty weak. This is why you can feed every other water with it. You wont do that with tiger bloom you'll burn'em up or lock'em up, if you do use tb you better flush often or your ph will go up to high from all the salt build up. As for container size double it after all the plant is going to double in size.... right... good luck...BC

 

[Guest]

How is your drainage? You might not have enough perlite in your soil mix, causing overwatering problems, especially in the bottom part of the pots. Stop foliar spraying if you are doing that at all. Other than that, It is either overwtaering or underwatering that is causing the droopiness wilting. If it was nutrient related, I think you would see other signs of that in the leaves.

Good luck....Saving those lovely ladies.

you are right def. not enough perlite when i took the drain part of the pot off the bottom of the soil was pretty dry so i am sure that i was not overwatering maybe under watering

 

[m.steelers]

One thing I want to say is plants that are usually underwatered perk back up within hours of watering. Have they perked up yet? I mean I have gone on trips and come back to some seriously droopy plants, I hit them up with water and they are usually good to go the same night.

 

[B.C.]

hey Boss.

hey Boss.

Before you transplant mix your ff with 25-30% perlite. Put two inches of rocks ( lava rocks work great) in the bottom of your pot that has lots of drain holes. If you do this there is NO WAY you can over water, the extra just runs right out in the catch pan and as long as you see it run out you know you getting enough. BTW this won't set you back as a matter of fact they will explode with growth... BC

 

[Guest]

One thing I want to say is plants that are usually underwatered perk back up within hours of watering. Have they perked up yet? I mean I have gone on trips and come back to some seriously droopy plants, I hit them up with water and they are usually good to go the same night.

i flushed them this afternoon i am going to give a day or two and see what happens

 

[Guest]

Before you transplant mix your ff with 25-30% perlite. Put two inches of rocks ( lava rocks work great) in the bottom of your pot that has lots of drain holes. If you do this there is NO WAY you can over water, the extra just runs right out in the catch pan and as long as you see it run out you know you getting enough. BTW this won't set you back as a matter of fact they will explode with growth... BC

i will do exactly that i am going to wait a couple of days to do so.
thank you