Heavy Chevy
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Well with the 16 oz cups i was giving each about 1/2 cup of water every 2-3 days. Right before transplant they were needing it almost everyday due to the root system developing very quickly.
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yes when you need to water that often they are rootbound, im talking about the ones that was in the pots, they look overwatered when did you transplant those?
Heavy Chevy
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The ones in the pots were transplanted yesterday (wednesday). After i transplanted them each one recieved about 2 to 2 1/2 cups of water around the rootball so the roots could expand and seek out moisture and uncramp from their old housing. As of today the top of the soil is looking pretty dry and tommorow will look like they might need a watering. I will takes pics for what its worth and post tommorow of what looks like. The pics i provided yesterday was when i water right after repotting them, maybe this is why the soil might look soggy? Btw thanks for all the help Stitch, if we were still on OG you would be hit with much karma, its a wonderful thing you do for this community. 
Where'sMyBud?
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Hey Stitch-
I'm having the same problem but, in addition, my plants look like they have deficiencies that I cannot put my finger on.
They are both Feminised Northern Lights from Female Seeds but one is a mutant. Germed in Rockwool soaked in pH adjsuted tap water (150ppm, 6.0pH) and put them in a heated germ dome. Once sprouted they went under 40W of cool blue fluoros for 2 weeks; the rockwool cubes were transplanted into pint size plastic pots filled with FF Ocean Forest (33% Perlite). They have been under a 400W MH, 18/6, for 3 days now about 20" away.
I have been watering them with the same pH adjusted tap water (5.5 to 6.0 pH) supplemented only with Superthrive (about 250ppm) since FFOC is so strong; runoff pH is 6.8
I just switched to Bottled RO water suplemented with superthrive and SWEET - pH is still 5.5-6.0 and ppm's are still under 300, runoff pH is still 6.8-7.0
I'm growing in a Cab with good ventilation and odor control. Outside of cab, daytime temps have been 68-76F and inside the cab they have been the same, usally a degree or two more than outside temps
... Nightitme temps are the same since I have my lighting cycle on during the night. Not sure what my Humidity levels are though, need to get a meter for that.
I'll post pics on this post tommorrow evening to show you what I mean, just wanted ot get all the info out first
I'm having the same problem but, in addition, my plants look like they have deficiencies that I cannot put my finger on.
They are both Feminised Northern Lights from Female Seeds but one is a mutant. Germed in Rockwool soaked in pH adjsuted tap water (150ppm, 6.0pH) and put them in a heated germ dome. Once sprouted they went under 40W of cool blue fluoros for 2 weeks; the rockwool cubes were transplanted into pint size plastic pots filled with FF Ocean Forest (33% Perlite). They have been under a 400W MH, 18/6, for 3 days now about 20" away.
I have been watering them with the same pH adjusted tap water (5.5 to 6.0 pH) supplemented only with Superthrive (about 250ppm) since FFOC is so strong; runoff pH is 6.8
I just switched to Bottled RO water suplemented with superthrive and SWEET - pH is still 5.5-6.0 and ppm's are still under 300, runoff pH is still 6.8-7.0
I'm growing in a Cab with good ventilation and odor control. Outside of cab, daytime temps have been 68-76F and inside the cab they have been the same, usally a degree or two more than outside temps
... Nightitme temps are the same since I have my lighting cycle on during the night. Not sure what my Humidity levels are though, need to get a meter for that.I'll post pics on this post tommorrow evening to show you what I mean, just wanted ot get all the info out first
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for now untill i see the plants stop using superthrive! its very strong and can cause imbalances!
superthrive and hydro do not mix!
superthrive and hydro do not mix!
Heavy Chevy
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Well stitch as I have taken your advice I believe that my plants are doing better. Some leaves still seem to be affected but the new growth seems to be doing well and until I see affect more of the plant I am not worried at the momment.
Heavy Chevy
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Do you have any idea what might be causing the bottom most middle plant in the top picture to have discolored new growth?
Where'sMyBud?
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Here ya go stitch -
Not in hydro, but rather Ocean Forest with 33% perlite.
I will be watering solely with tap water from now on, unless I should use RO water - what do you think? What is your diagnosis based on all my info posted above?
Thanks,
WMB
Not in hydro, but rather Ocean Forest with 33% perlite.
I will be watering solely with tap water from now on, unless I should use RO water - what do you think? What is your diagnosis based on all my info posted above?
Thanks,
WMB
Where'sMyBud?
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Hey Chevy -
Those the same NL from Female Seeds? What day in Veg are they?
Those the same NL from Female Seeds? What day in Veg are they?
Heavy Chevy
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Mine are Northern Lights x Big Bud and I got mine from Nirvana seeds. I am starting to believe that I have a bug problem as I am seeing random soars on my leafs that doesn't appear to be any pattern related to a nute problem or pH related. I noticed a small hole clean cut right through a leaf today and I have never had any problem with bugs before but this is the first indoor grow I have started during summer, and this is my first grow using Fox Farm Ocean Forest and I think I might have gotten a bag with some bugs in it is that possible? I will post pics later today, I guess I am waiting for your opinion stitch on whether or not I should be taking evasive action with this problem...
was about to say chevy those leaves look like they got pest problems now...... check underside of the leaves
these plants go outside at all?
wheres my bud how much are you watering?
you are locking out phosphorus do to you watering with superthrive and your ph being to low
your soil ph needs to be 6.5 to 7.0
the run off neds to be
your ph rockwool cubes you soaked in ph adjusted water was wrong too
you soak the cubes based on what system they are going in
if you was growing in hydro your plants would be the proper ph
but you need to soak them in ph adjusted water that had ph of 6.5 to 7.0 for soil
superthrive is very strong and you are locking nutients out from ph and supertherive
supethrive should not be used as a standalone fert
it should only be used when stress is present from transplanting or plants being moved around alot
once a month at the most superthrive should be used
use some dolomite lime
but right now you need to flush your soil out really well to wash out everything
now this will cause the good nutrients to be washed out too
so you will need to feed your plants a small amount of nutrients after a week after flushing
you need a balanced out fert, im sure there is enough phos in the soiil your using its just being locked out which is why they are showing this.
after flushing sprinkle on some dolomite lime use 2 tsps sprinklei t around the plant keeping it away from the stem
heavy chevy take a look on the underside leaves and check with a bright light and magnifying glass if needed and see if you can find anything
dfepening on the pesti ssue you will have to use certin things
some of the more popular that gets rid of a wide variaty of pests
is safer soap neem oil avid tabacco juice sticky traps and alot more
these plants go outside at all?
wheres my bud how much are you watering?
you are locking out phosphorus do to you watering with superthrive and your ph being to low
your soil ph needs to be 6.5 to 7.0
the run off neds to be
your ph rockwool cubes you soaked in ph adjusted water was wrong too
you soak the cubes based on what system they are going in
if you was growing in hydro your plants would be the proper ph
but you need to soak them in ph adjusted water that had ph of 6.5 to 7.0 for soil
superthrive is very strong and you are locking nutients out from ph and supertherive
supethrive should not be used as a standalone fert
it should only be used when stress is present from transplanting or plants being moved around alot
once a month at the most superthrive should be used
use some dolomite lime
but right now you need to flush your soil out really well to wash out everything
now this will cause the good nutrients to be washed out too
so you will need to feed your plants a small amount of nutrients after a week after flushing
you need a balanced out fert, im sure there is enough phos in the soiil your using its just being locked out which is why they are showing this.
after flushing sprinkle on some dolomite lime use 2 tsps sprinklei t around the plant keeping it away from the stem
heavy chevy take a look on the underside leaves and check with a bright light and magnifying glass if needed and see if you can find anything
dfepening on the pesti ssue you will have to use certin things
some of the more popular that gets rid of a wide variaty of pests
is safer soap neem oil avid tabacco juice sticky traps and alot more
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Heavy Chevy
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Well I have checked the underside of my leaves multiple times with my handy radioshack magnifier and have yet to find anything. Although today when I decided to paint the cement floor white and rearrange my grow room I noticed something that appeared to look like a fruit fly, (possibly a fungus nat?), then it got worse, I saw a catepillar like thing crawling on the floor maybe a little less then a centimeter in length. (possibly a Symphilids)
Where'sMyBud?
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Thanks Stich, I will go flush with plain tap water now.
So, even though I was only using the reccomended 1 drop per gallon of Superthrive, it was doing more harm than good, eh?
How do you know that they are having nute lockout due to pH being too low when my runnoff pH is 6.8 consistantly? I have a feeling that if I water them with water of pH 7 or so, the runnof pH will be too high - almost 8.0
I will let you know how they do, thanks for your help!
WMB
So, even though I was only using the reccomended 1 drop per gallon of Superthrive, it was doing more harm than good, eh?
How do you know that they are having nute lockout due to pH being too low when my runnoff pH is 6.8 consistantly? I have a feeling that if I water them with water of pH 7 or so, the runnof pH will be too high - almost 8.0
I will let you know how they do, thanks for your help!
WMB
no i said ph lockout could occur if rockwool cubes was not properly ph adjusted
i was telling you that for future reference
1 drop per gallon used like a nutrient causes a buildup espeically how small your plants are, they dont need alot
1 drop per gallon of water is fine if used only once a month at the most
your ph is fine, you just need to feed your plants after flushing
what are your temps too bud? night temps can cause phosphprus lockout too
i would keep your temps are 75 to 80 F
69 can cause some problems
what is SWEET? a nutrient?
fox farm is also great soil mixture, which when was you feeding them superthrive and sweet before you mixed them into this kind of soil?
you shouldnt have to feed for 20 days when in fox farm but now that you got the flush you should feed in about 15 days
i was telling you that for future reference
1 drop per gallon used like a nutrient causes a buildup espeically how small your plants are, they dont need alot
1 drop per gallon of water is fine if used only once a month at the most
your ph is fine, you just need to feed your plants after flushing
what are your temps too bud? night temps can cause phosphprus lockout too
i would keep your temps are 75 to 80 F
69 can cause some problems
what is SWEET? a nutrient?
fox farm is also great soil mixture, which when was you feeding them superthrive and sweet before you mixed them into this kind of soil?
you shouldnt have to feed for 20 days when in fox farm but now that you got the flush you should feed in about 15 days
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Heavy Chevy
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Actually to tell you the truth Stitch these problems I have been having now look very symptomatic of light bleeching. I am going to move the lights up and see what happens. You would think that 20 days from seed and they would be a little more willing to take in the light?
take a few pics let me see i can tell you if its bleeching or not,
how close is your 400 watt hps to your plants?
i dont recommend people using hps for veging because inproper spectrum and it can make plants droop
compact fluros or MH or both work very well
how close is your 400 watt hps to your plants?
i dont recommend people using hps for veging because inproper spectrum and it can make plants droop
compact fluros or MH or both work very well
Heavy Chevy
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Well here are the pics... A few are affected with this
This is the rest of the gang they seem to be coming along pretty good
And here is a close up of one thats looking nice and healthy
This is the rest of the gang they seem to be coming along pretty good
And here is a close up of one thats looking nice and healthy
Heavy Chevy
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Oh by the way the light is about 15 inches from the tops of the plants
yes that is the start of bleeching, sometimes you cant tell when its the start unless it shows its face a bit better
but yes now you have bleeching
move the light up a bit
why dont you use mh or compact fluros for veging?
but yes now you have bleeching
move the light up a bit
why dont you use mh or compact fluros for veging?
Heavy Chevy
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I am in the process of getting a MH but money is an issue at the momment so I am trying to work with what I already have. Fluoros wouldn't really work to well with my setup and would be a pain in the ass. They will be in veg a week or two more yet. Then off to the flower world.
