Help me identify and fix my problem.

[Guest]

some strains like different amounts...last hydro run I had OGs1 and kodiak gold on the same nutes same res....The OG loved the nutes and wanted more but the kodiak I couldnt get it past 500 ppms....got to find the strains sweet spot which could take a couple runs...best of luck

 

[Mr.Kush]

some strains like different amounts...last hydro run I had OGs1 and kodiak gold on the same nutes same res....The OG loved the nutes and wanted more but the kodiak I couldnt get it past 500 ppms....got to find the strains sweet spot which could take a couple runs...best of luck

I am going to hit up a friend who i got the clones from.. I know they had the mother going for a long time, and have been using this strain for a while. Mabey they can shed some light, on where she likes to be..

I just wanna nip this in the bud, so to speak..lol

 

[Guest]

sounds like a good idea...just keep an eye on her......best of luck and Happy New Year

 

[Mr.Kush]

Thanks for all the help! Have a happy, and safe new year too!

Ill keep this up to date.

 

[Guest]

you too...some MindBoggle f2 that just finished








stay safe

 

[pico]

Good god man, cut your PBP down to like 15ml/gal. This is your current nutrient breakdown

35ml PBP, 6ml CALMAG, 12ml LK

N 332.29
P 105.32
K 507.66
MG 78.17
CA 168.94
FE 1.5

You are looking to get a ratio near 100:100:200:60 (N-P-K-Mg) and 4:2:1 (K:Ca:Mg)
Compare those levels, you are nowhere near them.

Sproutco cut and pasted from the right man this time, Lucas.

Do not add any grow formula, there is too much nitrogen in the pbp/calmag mix anyways.

What kind of PPM meter do you use? Different meters use different conversions to come up with ppm. I have been keeping my PBP EC around 1.5 which converts to about 750 ppm at .5 conversion. 1050ppm at .7 conversion. Since you say full strength (30ppm?) is 1200 ppm I am guessing you have a .5 ppm meter. This would be an EC(electrical conductivity) of 2.4 which is pretty high for pureblend. Plus like I said above all your levels are way off.

What medium are you plants in? I don't think you mentioned.

You should deffinately flush your plants with pH adjusted water. Lots of it and test the runoff to see if they are flushed enough. Then water with a way weaker dose then you have been using.

A lot of people seem to be having good results with 15ml PBP and 5ml CalMag+.

N 153.65
P 44.52
K 211.86
MG 41.03
CA 92.56
FE 1.25

Which as sproutco cut and pasted from lucas, it looks like a veg formula. Too much N and not enough P. Plus the Mg levels are still a little low. But people do get good results with this mix.

I personally like the PBP soil bloom as it has less nitrogen.

16ml PBP soil bloom, 6ml CalMAg+, 4ml Sweet, 10ml LK
N 106.652
P 85.792
K 212.38
MG 62.856
CA 98.296
FE 2.3


Whatever you do, flush those babies and give them a weak nute dose. Find out what kind of meter you have. Do some reading, there are some good threads with people using PBP on here. None of them reccomend using 30ml per gallon.


Sproutco happened to be on the right track here. I don't like the way he operates on this forum either because he confuses the shit out of people and can give lots of bad untested advice. But don't jump on the guy just because everyone else is doing it. Correct his mistakes, but in this case he copied from the right person and is correct.

Now once he stops cut and pasting and starts typing about gypsum and 1.33 gallons of water above, I don't know about that. I have yet to see anyone actively growing on the forums using gypsum in hydro. I am open to see proof.

As far as the order in which to mix your nutes. I would probably add the CALMAG in first, mix up the water, then add the other nutrients.

-pico

 

[Blackmelo]

hi mr Kush,
hope your plant gets sorted. Fraid I can't help you too much on your problem since I had the exact same problem on my last grow. Your plant actually looks identical to this AK47 mutant I was growing.
Leaves were all mutated and started dying early on. Incidentally it has turned out to be my heaviest bud yet but not a keeper.

Hard for me to tell if you are actually doing something wrong like feeding too little N or too little Mg, it might just be a bad plant. In the past 2 years I have come across 2 such plants.

PS: Hurricane, that nutrient calculator sprout uses is top notch. I used to feed my plants according to the manufacturers instructions (ie for a non-cannabis plant like tomatoes which have different nutrient requirements) but once I discovered the cannabis nutrient profile and calculator my yield went up by like 1-2 ounces. The plants seem happier too.

It sounds like you know about growing, does not stop me experimenting once in a while though to see if I can come up with better results.

Work out the ppm of NPK and Mg you give your plants every week of their growing life and compare it to what the plants ideally want. You should see that if you tweak the amounts to your plants desire, yield will go up.

I just want to point something out about boosters: All that a booster like Big Bud is doing is upping P and K values later on in flowering without taking into consideration how much P and K you are already feeding. Ppl are willing to pay alot of money for a product like big bud that in combination with your main nute might get nute levels to the right level but you can just get a cheap PK 13/14 nute, work out the right combination of nutes and you should definetely get better results.

 

[sproutco]

16ml PBP soil bloom, 6ml CalMAg+, 4ml Sweet, 10ml LK
N 106.652
P 85.792
K 212.38
MG 62.856
CA 98.296
FE 2.3

You should use less sweet and drop your mag down to about 50. This will give you 2:1 cal to mag.

The pasted calculation numbers are courtesy of Shroomdr.

 

[pico]

Actually those calculations are courtesy of me.

 

[pico]

How about this.

15ml PBP soil bloom, 6ml CalMAg+, 2ml Sweet, 10ml LK

N 102.105
P 80.505
K 199.8
MG 51.34
CA 95.265
FE 1.9

Haven't used this exact mix myself.

 

[sproutco]

Looks good. 4:2:1 is a good starting point. It is not a rule however.

The calculations i posted at the beginning of this thread were courtesy of shroomdr.

 

[Guest]

Im not a scientist but.....

Im not a scientist but.....

Growing MJ is actually an art form. You can take the same pheno and grow it differently resulting in two distinctly different kinds of bud. Weight is an obvious plus but quality should not be compromised. I agree with the nitrogen levels low but not at the very start of flowering I grow in soil and things react slower than in hydro but the principal is the same less nitrogen at middle to end stage flowering produces better (a subjective term) bud. I hardly have to trim my bud because if I cut the N pipline at the right time the plant absorbs the fan leaves.

 

[Guest]

wow...I for one am done giving an opinion on growing or any advice...just doesnt seem to be worth the Clicks that roam here...Best of luck everyone with their grows....I hope you get sound advice from any member...Stay safe and less stress for 2007....

 

[pico]

No offense, but your advice was wrong.

 

[Guest]

Gotcha pico....No offense taken....still havent heard anything confirming yet...or did I miss something...No ones perfect in growing.....even the Omegas have problems...best of luck and stay safe

 

[pico]

Heh, those Omegas are exactly that.....problems. I would trade one of these omegas for some 600s and flat tables anyday.

Well as far as I am concerned, there is nothing to confirm. Using 30ml/gallon of PBP is WAY too much.

Want an omega?

-pico

 

[Guest]

Nope....my way works for me thanks though....I prefer trees...stay safe and best of luck

 

[CaptJamesTKirk]

Really? my mom always uses white sugar in brownies?

Watch out - chaingmai gives neg rep for saying get the brown sugar out of the hydro. Guess he deserves what he gets

 

[Throwgar]

It seems as if I have the same problem. I've been working to fix it for well over a year. I've had my water professionally tested. Well, before I get into it, I'll tell you guys what I've tried that HASN'T worked.

1st off, I started out following the Lucas formula, and let me tell you this. It sucks.

Again, this is what I have ruled OUT:

pH flux
pH lockout
hard water
Mg def
Light intensity
nute burn
N def
Old nutes
GH Nutes
reservoir temperature
RH

Here is my setup currently; DWC/top feed combo, 3-1000 watt bulbs (HPS/MH/HPS), Supernatural Nutrients 2 part aqua line, CO2 enrichment to 2000 ppm, Day temp 90, night 70, room air recycled 5 times a min, 35% RH(regulated). I'm using a ics-220 fuzy logic CO2/temp/RH controller.

Here's some pictures. This isn't a problem with the strain, since all of my strains are showing this problem. Currently, I'm growing VISC Fuckin' Incredible x Super Skunk and DJ Shorts True Blueberry.

and a nice picture to wrap it up with:

 

[Throwgar]

Anyone find anything out? This has been driving me nuts for over a year now...