Help me identify and fix my problem.

[Guest]

POMH.....depends on what kind....if they eat insects it has more N...if they eat fruit it has more P....

 

[CaptJamesTKirk]

question Mr, Kush,,, How old are your nutes?

 

[sproutco]

I'd love to see updates of the plants if you decide to take Sproutcos's advice.....THIS ISNT GOING TO BE PRETTY.....stay safe and best of luck

Here is how I came up with the 2 choices given above. You can see pbp bloom has little magnesium (and calcium). So growers add cal mag plus. This also adds more nitrogen. The bloom formula actually becomes a veg formula. See below...

Here is PureBlendPro Bloom @ 15ml/gal
129 n
45 p
214 k
26 mg

and PBPBloom 15, plus 5 cal mag (GrowGreen's formula) it resembles the grow formula of FloraNova @8ml, as well as GH's 15Grow, 10Micro, 5 bloom formulations, the most copied recipe Ive found. It seems competition only copied GH's veg formula for the most part..

161 n
45 p
214 k
45 mg

So instead of using the cal mag plus, we can use calcium and magnesium without nitrogen. Gypsum/epsom or millennium cal mag max contains no nitrogen. So if we have 214 k then we should have 107 calcium and 54 magnesium. This is a ratio of 4:2:1 potassium to calcium to magnesium. 1/4 tsp gal epsom = 30 ppm mg and 1/4 tsp gal gypsum = 60 ca. I listed the cal mag max what 5ml would add in a previous post above. If you figure the math to get that ratio...the two choices add an extra 25 mag and 50 calcium.

The problem with these plants was that the double strength solution added double strength potassium. Potassium, calcium, and magnesium all compete. The high k caused a mag def because he was adding very little extra with the cal mag plus. At a high dose of 2 teaspoons/gal it still adds only 30 ppm mg. So by cutting the pbp in half, we also cut the potassium level in half.

This plant is deceiving in that it looks like nitrogen deficiency. He was using 200 ppm n (this is alot) and getting some n from the cal mag plus. So n def can be ruled out.

Here is where the quote came from by Lucas... http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=21119

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[Guest]

This plant is deceiving in that it looks like nitrogen deficiency.

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you are deceiving in that you are trying to look like a grower...I thought you agreed to start growing and showing instead of telling everyone they have a Mag def...or use Boron to increase Flowers....

I in no way shape or form believe this is a Mag def...Take any advice with a grain of salt....even mine...There is No plant doctor Guru like some what you to believe.....Best of luck and i'll let others chime in...I dont have time to argue...I do grow sproutco..feel free to look @ my gallery and tell me all the things i'm doing wrong....



Best of luck in your grows everyone...Even you Sproutco...stay safe

 

[chaingmai]

Yeh the bat guano i have is like 4-6-4 NPK ratio. I use it during veg and also i mix in a little with the flowering nutes.

-irie

 

[chaingmai]

if you want mag use some brown sugar . I use a half a cup per gallon every 3rd watering during flowering. Makes em taste good too . Not sure how to use in hydro but good for organics. Make sure you use the raw unfiltered or whatever its called

-irie

 

[CaptJamesTKirk]

Where did Mr. Kush go? Those plants look a lot like my garden when the nutes went bad in the bottle; - - old nutes can be berry berry bad.


now,,,,,

I thought you agreed to start growing and showing instead of telling everyone they have a Mag def...or use Boron to increase Flowers....

I wana watch.

I want ol sproutcrapo to do a grow or two and show us his stuperior ability.

In my experience those that can DO and those that can't TEACH. Seems a lot of people have worsened their garden with sprouts advice - hey some have gotten better too, but with 3300 posts, the law of averages says he can't kill em all.

Show us sprout - show us how you grow.

How about soil on one side hydro on the other?

Your smart enough.
Are you skilled though?

break out that Boron, battery acid and stump remover - fix all those deficiencies - you can do it! Calculate your way to nirvana baby.
I'll issue a long, heartfelt and profuse appology when you harvest.

Till then, he's a quack

if you want mag use some brown sugar . I use a half a cup per gallon every 3rd watering during flowering. Makes em taste good too . Not sure how to use in hydro but good for organics. Make sure you use the raw unfiltered or whatever its called

-irie

and chaingmai, brown sugar belongs in brownies not your grow and sure as HELL not in a hydro tank.

One to beam up.

 

[Guest]

Hey i'm willing to eat a shit sandwich and say i'm sorry if he does....I wanna see his self proclaimed perfect plants...best of luck..stay safe

 

[Mr.Kush]

Thanks for all the replies.. A local friend of mine said he thought it may be a N problem too.

The nutes are all brand new, so that shouldnt be an issue.

Is there a specific order i should be mixing the nutes?

And to the guy who suggested adding a bit of veg nute, at what quantity? I have PBP veg.

I think i am going to flush the plant with some fresh water, then rewater with a refined nute formula.

The plant looks healthy otherwise.

 

[R00KIE]

To me it looks like overfert causing an N lockout..
Ph is fine, so if you get your nutes in check with the proper amount per gallon i think you'll be alright..
Definently an N def but the reasons why are the important factor...
Bring down your solution to 1/2 to 3/4 what the bottle says and give it a week.
If that doesn't work you may just have an N hungry strain, or your ph really is not where it's suposed to be...
Check your ph meter as well, calibrate it and check ph again...

 

[Guest]

I cant realy say how much to give...I dont measure my nutes like others...been using them long enough I feel I dont really need to check..I add just a splash of veg pbp in or some fish emulsion...I dont mind the smell...not alot...I have an og kush that is starving for nitrogen right now that I can take a picture of and show you...it's in soil and i'm abusing it on purpose...the leaves are yellowing and dying....looks alot like yours with less green...Rookie has a good point....I believe since using the same nutes it needs more nitrogen in flower..I always have to add some veg pbp with the bloom up untill 30 days or the leaves yellow and dry up to fast...was my problem last run with Acapulco Gold...had to pull her early...best of luck and glad others chimed in to help the man...stay safe...

 

[Mr.Kush]

I appreciate the help.. I am using ph drops to test ph, and backing it up with a dig meter.

I am going to flush then refeed. I will add a bit of veg nute.

 

[pieceofmyheart]

POMH.....depends on what kind....if they eat insects it has more N...if they eat fruit it has more P....

Well I'll be. I never knew that. Well mine appears to be high phosphorus, 1-10-0. Thanks, I like to learn, sorry for the hi jack...yall carry on.


BTW....

Hey i'm willing to eat a shit sandwich

lol shit sandwich hahahahaha

 

[chaingmai]

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I am going to flush then refeed. I will add a bit of veg nute.

sounds good i think you will see a great turnaround in like 3-4 days, like you said just a little veg nutes because they are flowering

 

[chaingmai]

and chaingmai, brown sugar belongs in brownies not your grow and sure as HELL not in a hydro tank.

One to beam up.

Really? my mom always uses white sugar in brownies?

 

[Mr.Kush]

Ok i changed out the res, and mixed up a normal strength nute mix.. The thing is, even at full strength my res is only 1200ppm.. I am using distilled water that started at 0 ppm..

I flushed the plant for about 5 min with plain tap water, then i refed the new mix. I am just really curious why the PPM is so low?

 

[R00KIE]

1200 isn't low, you probably don't want to go much higher either.
They should recover but the leaves that are yellow won't get any better but they shouldn't get any worse....

 

[Mr.Kush]

My friend who was here runs his at like 1800ppm.. So i was thinking it was a bit low.. I will run it at this and see how it goes.

FWIW- my old res before chage over was like 1300, so it was prob a lockout and not an overnute?

 

[R00KIE]

Too much nutes will cause a lockout, if your nutes are normal, and your ph is good there should be no lockout, but if your nutes are high it will lockout, as well if your ph is outta wack you'll get a lockout too....
Only really 2 ways to get lockout, too many nutes, or ph is off...
Your buddy might be running that high a ppm with different nutes, they're all different, even at that he's runnin the risk of burning them, or having his bud taste like shit because of all the chems...
Keep the nutes low this run and bump it up 100 ppm next crop...
I don't think it would make that much of a dif either way...
More nutes doesn't always mean better or more buds, just means more potential for probs...

 

[Mr.Kush]

Too much nutes will cause a lockout, if your nutes are normal, and your ph is good there should be no lockout, but if your nutes are high it will lockout, as well if your ph is outta wack you'll get a lockout too....
Only really 2 ways to get lockout, too many nutes, or ph is off...
Your buddy might be running that high a ppm with different nutes, they're all different, even at that he's runnin the risk of burning them, or having his bud taste like shit because of all the chems...
Keep the nutes low this run and bump it up 100 ppm next crop...
I don't think it would make that much of a dif either way...
More nutes doesn't always mean better or more buds, just means more potential for probs...

I hear that! If it doesnt hault the yellowing in a few days i may try and flush again, and go with a half strength nute mix.

I just checked on her, and she still seems to be yellowing.