Help design my medical grow (1st topic - hydro style)

[grow nerd]

Why not just keep it in a recirculating DWC system through both veg and flower?

Swapping frozen bottles gets real old, real quick.

Sounds to me like you're kinda broke and want a reliable, fast-growing system that outperforms soil. Sounds to me like a 10-15 gallon container, a sack of coco, and hand-watering is your solution for a headache-free, low-maintenance, low-cost system.

Maybe Hempy Buckets with perlite?

Or if you want more fancy, ever seen KFB's (Krusty Freedom Bucket)?

 

[Albireo]

No where near broke. I can put another $1200-1500 towards this right now, with more later. The room is close to done. I just need to insulate it and sheet rock it (already have these).

I will not be swapping bottles, never planned on it. I plan on evaporative cooling using fans, if that does bring the temp down enough (it brings my reef tank down almost 10 degrees) I will go with a chiller.

What is the benefit of recirculating dwc over large tub dwc?

What I want is an effective (most effective) hydro style. My flower and veg areas are different sizes, so moving the plants from veg to flower is a must.

I have had great success using one 32 gallon rubbermaid (20 gallons of nutes) per plant (i only grew 1), using a lucas type system. I definitely tweeked the nutes (pbp + some others) from the lucas system, but I replaced my whole nute setup after I topped off with 20 gallons.

My thoughts now (but this is changable) are to do something similar, but make matianance somewhat simpler. I will either build or buy a larger tub (or two tubs), some where in the 25-30 gallon per plant range. I will have drians setup on these to make nute changes easy. I plan on topping off maunally with either a pump in my topoff res or gravity feed.

So, what is KFB?

 

[grow nerd]

Don't evaporator coolers naturally... evaporate... a ton of water causing high humidity?

For KFB, see post #21 and search.

 

[Budley Doright]

I also came to the conclusion for med grow that some variety of hydro would be best....

Conceptually a big tub of coco sounds good but I have yet to see a real impressive grow with big tub of coco.... some good small container grows but nothing big....

This is a really good grow and meets your 5 week veg but it was done with chronic....

and the guy said even though he got a lb... normally it was quite a bit less.....

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=12653&highlight=scrog

Im a big advocate of doing whats been done before....

My general impression is that dwc doesnt produce any better than simpler methods.....

 

[grow nerd]

Conceptually a big tub of coco sounds good but I have yet to see a real impressive grow with big tub of coco.... some good small container grows but nothing big....

Talk to folks like asher1er, BlindDate, DEDHEDFRED, etc...

It's not good how you're expecting all these weights based on what someone else did with another strain, etc. based on a particular system.

I've seen people veg forever in huge containers of literally every common medium out there with literally every brand of nutes under literally every single wattage bulb, and get real shitty results. I've also seen others do real well in a similar environment, too.

 

[Budley Doright]

Ive known fred since OG days...

I was a mentor on OG.... so Im really not expecting any sort of weights...

My point in general which I made before is genetics often make a grower look much better than he is.....

However a high performance system with any genetics isnt a bad place to look.....

I should add.... as a mentor....my main advice was find a system and mentor you respect and get in his head....

Its the old....no sense reinventing the wheel......

The two links I put up were to demonstrate what should be good yielding systems whatever genetics you put in them.... because they supply the plants what they need....

But Ive not seen a large container coco plant that I found impressive...


<<Sounds to me like a 10-15 gallon container, a sack of coco, and hand-watering is your solution for a headache-free, low-maintenance, low-cost system.>>


I dont have any issue with your posts....but show us that 15 gallon tub of coco....

 

[Budley Doright]

COCO.... frankly Ive been somwhat skeptical of coco...


The university studies Ive read give mixed results.....


Thats why for me I probably would not consider coco....


There are also a number of hydro grow which are around that magical 1 gpw....

I dont know of any of those in coco.....

 

[grow nerd]

You're not looking hard enough. Maybe you should go work for a university instead of growing pot.

I've never grown in 15 gallon tubs of coco. But I know the others I've mentioned have grown large plants in (relatively) large containers.

BlindDate (if you're reading), didn't you switch from KFB's (or was it a bio-bucket?) to coco? I think DEDHEDFRED did, too. I know asher1er switched from active hydro (was it DWC?) to coco.

 

[Budley Doright]

You're not looking hard enough. Maybe you should go work for a university instead of growing pot.


OK fine you just went off on to stupid....

I asked you to post up what you said....15 gallons of coco

And you deflected some chicken shit......

Whatsamatter sonny cant stand on your own feet????



http://www.icmag.com/ic/search.php?searchid=7734247

 

[Albireo]

Don't evaporator coolers naturally... evaporate... a ton of water causing high humidity?

For KFB, see post #21 and search.

yes they do evaporate water. I plan on good ventilation. My ambient air is dry throughout most of the year. My tubs will be semi-sealed except for holes made for fans/vents. I have put thought into running a exhaust pipe (from the seal tub) up into my attic space, this would also help. We shall see.

 

[Budley Doright]

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=82183


This is impressive but it involves a ton of lighting......

I do recall this grow....

HDF can also be a massive strain and may not represent an average strain......

As yo boy testifies.....

<<I cannot answer your question because this plant was given to me as a clone. I can say that it is the highest yielding strain I have ever grown. >>

IOW...your results may vary......

 

[grow nerd]

IOW...your results may vary......

Wow your ignorance and inexperience just keeps on shining through.

Yeah, you're right, I guess it means that if you get any 'ol strain named "HDF" in the same coco system with any nutes with any skill with any environment, you will get the exact same results just because the other guy did.

Sitting here and talking about trying to get some huge yields yet you cry "but he had a high yielding strain!!!" Pffftt.

OF FCKING COURSE YOUR RESULTS WILL FCKING VARY.

<-- bashing head into wall

 

[Albireo]

Burnt Rope - What do you think of my idea of large tub dwc?

 

[grow nerd]

Oh yeah I almost forgot, I think Johnny Chimpo also used to get some excellent yields in an un-dialed, zero-maintenance environment without any bells or whistles.

Wonder where he is these days...

 

[Budley Doright]

Its funny how many assholes I meet who do hydro...

I think the most stupid people (like you) dont think you can learn anything by reading...

Fits you perfectly....

I should point out you fucking moron...yo guy said this was the highest yielding stain hes ever grown....


hdf is generally just like chronic.... big but not very good...


sort of like your big stupid mouth.....

I should point out.....

IN the chronic thread the guy got a pound per plant using a 400


your guy for all that impressive stuff....got a pound about per 900 watts....


duh.....

You proved your point about coco superiority(not) and my poiint about 1 gpw in coco....

 

[Budley Doright]

Burnt Rope - What do you think of my idea of large tub dwc?

Personally I like it.... but Im going to take my leave....


I really had my fill of assholes on OG and cant stomach fools like that pos in your thread......

 

[grow nerd]

Yup, yup, keep ignoring all the excellent yields others are getting (and oh, good luck finding many others getting those yields like Natural Born Grower). And go ahead, keep using your weak sauce tactics to pinpoint one thread and stay ignorant, while many others run circles around you and get excellent yields.

And FYI, I learned everything I know from a combination of reading IC, TCC and hands-on. Never grew a plant in my life before participating in online canna forums.

You, on the other hand, insist on ignoring real-world grower results and go by "university research" done on watermelons or something. Good luck.

your guy for all that impressive stuff....got a pound about per 900 watts....

Let's see you even try getting those results.

 

[Budley Doright]

Burnt Rope - What do you think of my idea of large tub dwc?

By the way if you want to chat you can send me a pm....

Happy to chat.....

 

[Albireo]

OK, lets assume I will be doing some form of large tub dwc. Please feel free to add anything to this topic.


Burnt Rope - I would love to hear what you have to say on this. Please do not leave the thread due to actions of others.

Lets now discuss plant numbers. It looks like serial cloning is A-OK. I will ditch the idea of keeping moms. I think I have two options;

Option A;

Keep 3 flowering plants under 2 1000 watters in a 4' x 8' scrog. I would veg 3 plants for 8-10 weeks. I have a 3' x 6' area penciled in for my veg area, but may need to upgrade my veg lighting. I currently have a 400 watt hps lined up (I planned on using a conversion bulb). I would take clones 1-2 weeks before I planned to harvest the flowering plants.

Pros -
only have 1 harvest every 8-10 weeks.
only have to deal with 2 nute cycles (1 flower, 1 veg)
much eaiser to plumb a chiller
lots of veg time

Cons -
Will be over my allowed medical weight
will most likely need more veg lighting
more difficult to run more than one strain
fewer plants per sq ft (just under 11 sq ft per plant)

Option B;

Keep the opposing flower cycles (harvesting 1 light every 4-5 weeks). I would have 2 plants under each 1000 watter 4' x 4' table. I would veg 2 plants in a 3' x 4' area for 4-5 weeks under my 400 watter.

pros -
easier to keep total weight lower at a single point in time down.
veg lighting already taken care of
ability to keep multiple strains
less sq ft per plant (8 sq ft per plant)
if i lose a plant or screen, loss may not have as large as impact

cons -
3 nute cycles (2 in flower, 1 veg)
if i end up needing a chiller, well i would need 2 chillers
shorter veg time of 4-5 weeks


anything else???

 

[Budley Doright]

How about the 8-10 wk veg and 2 plants in flowering.....???

I think you should scrap the options that take you out of compliance....

like plan A.....

Im also unsure about only a 400 for veg......

make that 1000?????