Heeeelp! please

[Mindovermatter]

here's some photos of my roots, I'm thankful for more feedback stitch!

I think the coco was too tightly pressed, thus no roots seem to have grown through the cocos?? Maybe there is another reason, please inform me.

 

[imnotcrazy]

Please don't confuse what I said, he is still very knowledgeable and is correct. If there is an excess of some salts the plants will sit idle drinking almost no water. But you also said that you havn't given them any nutes only PH Down. That is you're problem. They're taking whatever nute is available from the PH down you are using and are showing multiple deficiencies like stitch said. Buffered nutes are much better to use to get to the desired PH because it is a balanced mix to give to the plant. Try to use as little PH adjuster as possible. If it doesn't work still, give hard water nutes a try or get an RO filter setup.

 

[Mindovermatter]

can someone tell me something about the roots?
Ive upped the ppm now, lets see what happens..

 

[sproutco]

sproutco is it true what imnotcrazy says - you dont even grow?

Always growing something. Right now cabbage. But yes, I have grown mj for about 15 or more years.

 

[Mindovermatter]

ok cool
what can you tell me about the roots? why are they not growing into the coco but at the sides? do they look like they have root rot?

 

[sproutco]

Looks like in this root picture, the roots are brown. How many appear like this? I put an arrow on what I am seeing. Click on it to enlarge.




Root rot maybe?

 

[Mindovermatter]

There are a few roots with a brown stuff on them (only on the "outside", the inside still seems white). Maybe 2-3 roots are like this on the plant I checked.

 

[sproutco]

Are the brown roots like rotten and mushy or are they discolored from the media?

Take more pictures of your roots but focus on the brown areas if you think you got root rot...

 

[Mindovermatter]

Are the brown roots like rotten and mushy or are they discolored from the media?

Do me huge favor. Get a picture of the brown roots closeup.

The brown/yellowish roots are discolored I think...how do I know if they are rotten and mushy? they dont smell rotten anway...I didnt touch them so much to know if they are mushy.

I am soory but the I cannot improve the quality of the pics, my mobile camera is the only I have. Soory again.

I cut all of the pots up now so the roots can get some relief. You think this will help? What about enzymes could they help should I add them cause I changed the resorvoir but didnt add enzymes just nutes. thanks for helping a brother out.

Btw, why didnt they grow through the coco but only on the side of the pots???

 

[sproutco]

Here is a full blown case of root rot. Click on it to enlarge.


Examine the brown areas of the roots for being mushy. Try to figure out if just the media is staining the roots. If you closely examine the roots, look at the tips. The very ends of the roots. Are they white or is it brown? Do the roots appear cottony? Really fine roots coming off of them the size of a piece of thread or alot smaller. I forgot. Is this grow hydro? Looks like the roots are staying in the top portion of whatever is holding them. Like they don't want to go deeper. Lack of oxygen or compaction or overwatering could be the culprit.

 

[Guest]

They grew down the sides because the coco was too wet, there was probably some air available to the roots going down the side. When coco and rockwool are constantly saturated you get what we have here, stunted growth, whilting leaves, nutrient lockout and a host of other problems that will eventually kill your plants. Your medium should not have been submerged, this along with lack of nutrients caused the the problems your having now. Keep the medium at least 1/2" to 1" above the nute solution, take Stitch's advice and all will be well with a little time.

MYNAMESTICH is the man when it comes to sick plants listen to him. His sticky over at OG was a lifesaver for me a few times.

Sproutco has some good advice also you just have to be a botanist to decipher some of it.

 

[Mindovermatter]

Sproutco
I inspected the roots again..yes you are right they seem kind of mushy...the end of the roots which are closer to the hydro water bubbler are whiter...there are many fine roots coming out..they seem to be white...I just put them into the bubbler 2 days ago...so maybe they were getting rotten but the bubbler is getting things good again?
What should I do now

 

[sproutco]

Sproutco has some good advice also you just have to be a botanist to decipher some of it.

Lol.

Plants infected by a root rot often appear wilted and fail to recover after watering. Root rot also causes the lower leaves to yellow or drop. Most root rots are caused by various species of soil-inhabiting fungi, which require cool, moist soils in order to grow and multiply. Conditions which keep the soil moist, such as overwatering, poor soil drainage, inadequate light, and crowding of plants, favor the development of root rot.

Root rot fungi first enter the plant through small feeder roots. If environmental conditions are favorable for disease development, the fungus can spread through most of the root system within 7-10 days, causing death of the plant. Infected roots become brown and mushy due to extensive tissue decay, whereas healthy roots are cream to white colored and firm. Infected roots no longer function properly, causing a reduction in water and nutrient absorption. This shortage within the plant results in poor growth, wilting, yellowing of lower leaves, and premature leaf drop. These general symptoms are often accompanied by other host specific symptoms. Some plants, for example, leaves turn bright yellow and wilt from the base outward. Leaves may also be reduced in size. Lower leaves often appear water-soaked and wilted or weak. Stem rot may also develop, producing water-soaked or blackened areas on the stem near the soil line.

Maybe we are getting closer to figuring out what is going on? Since you can't get any closer in the picture taking of the brown roots, it will be up to you to decide if the roots are infected.

 

[Mindovermatter]

OK seems to be it. OK so how about the nutes, should I still do the 500 ppm? Stitch mentioned h202 hydrogen peroxide? should I flood the medium with this? Remember the medium is already oversoaked due to several flushings the past week.
I've raised the plants so they are above water level.

 

[Mindovermatter]

OK seems root rot is a very bad thing and very difficult to get rid of...
I hope it helps that I cut the pots open..now they can get some of the oxygen from the airpump...I'll get h202 tomorrow ...should I just pour it into the RW and coco??
I read enzymes can help??

 

[Guest]

No the H2o2 needs to be diluted ALOT!!!!! I'm not exactly sure how much, but you should definately wait until someone who has done it before to let you know how much. DO NOT POUR FULL STRENGTH H2O2 ON YOUR PLANTS!!!!!!! This will end all your problems you're having now (your plants will be dead)


Also you might try to get the water level low enough so that the bubbles are barely splashing the medium, like 2" or so from the bottom of your pots, to help those girls dry out. This will still get nutes to the roots that are growing out of the coco and also allow the medium to be less saturated. This will help with the root rot and hopefully keep it from spreading even more.

The problem is really with the medium you've chosen. Coco wicks and retains more moisture than say hydroton so you need to keep it above the water level more than with hydroton or lava rocks.

 

[MynameStitch]

http://growfaq.marijuana.com/index.php?action=artikel&cat=30&id=6&artlang=en

How do I apply hydrogen peroxide?

Hydrogen peroxide is beneficial as an addition to nutrient feeding programs at all times. It feeds the good aerobic bacteria and kills the bad anaerobic bacteria. It also introduces radical oxygen atoms which oxidize elements, making them more available for the roots to assimilate. I apply 3% H2O2 at a rate of 30ml/gallon to the reservoir. The plants show no visible signs of stress afterwards, which indicates that it was not an excessive application.

Sprouting Seeds: add 30ml 3% H2O2 to 1 pint of water. Soak the seeds overnight.
Insecticide Spray: combine 250ml 3% H2O2 to 1 gallon spray mix.
Fast growing container plants: add 30ml of 3% H2O2 to 1 gallon water.
Hydroponics: apply 3% H2O2 at a rate of 30ml/gallon to the nutri


oh the side note, im female but its alright i get called a him a lot lol


closethack is right, it cant not be pure


if its brownish and roots around it are white, you are starting to get root rot, you just wont have some discolorerd and some not if its nutrient related

nutrient related discoloration will happen all the roots and some new root hairs white

if the brownish is in the inside your lucky you caught it now


sroutco is right too, roots should not be mushy should be white and healthy

 

[Guest]

^^^^Sorry Stich that must be why your so good at nurturing plants back to health.

EDIT: MynameStitch is the WOman when it come to sick plants !!!!

 

[Mindovermatter]

guys & girls =)
the thread is continued here