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[Mindovermatter]

I have 4 bogglegums and 1 bogbubble stich.
Well the new roots poking out are nice and white...
Lets assume I have root rot in the RW and coco...what then? Remember I have the pots bottom 1/2 inch into the water of the bubbler...

I have enzymes in the water...could it help?

alright I inspected the roots..some are brownish.. the new are whitish..
but some of them are brown in the beginning and white further down...
ALL of pots got roots poking out.

 

[Mindovermatter]

alright I thought it to be logical to remove enough water from the tank so that the pots dont sit in it anymore...to help drain the medium for the root rot issue...

 

[MynameStitch]

are the roots brown that is near or up in the rockwool coco mixture? if you do have root rot, ou are going to have to air out that rockwool coco mixture and add some h202,guardian angel or hydro guard stuff to help kill the bacteria

if they survive, but this case is if they have root rot, without pictures its hard

because nutrients can stain the roots brownish color

 

[Mindovermatter]

thats correct stitch.

 

[MynameStitch]

is it this color?

or darker or lighter brown color

 

[Mindovermatter]

the older ones yes but only for about 1/2 inch or so, the rest that goes into the water is white...but I dont have so much roots like the above picture at all..just a few roots per plant...hope this helps?

Some more almost brown colored..some less..

 

[MynameStitch]

I am not using any tsbpoons of nitrogen. I only use the 50ppm of nutes from what you saw above.'

wait your not using any nitrogen at all?

the nutrient your using has a npk on it what does it say?

what brand of coco are you using?

well i was using the picture as a color example, root rot can infect any amount of roots

so you cant see what color the roots are in the rockwool?

this is what you can do, this is what i would do at least

i would get some air to those rockwool cubes
get a fan and help dry out the rockwool and add some h202, to the rockwool cubes, add a bit of water though

yes you will have to get them wet again

use tap water this time with h202 and keep fan on it peel some holes or slit a side in the rockwool and see what color the roots are either way you will need it to help get more air into the rockwool coco mixture to help speed up the drying

rockwool should never be satureated and never dry, needs to stay slightly moist

if you could get a picture of it i could tell you right away if it is or not

only thing i can do is help you in case you do habe it,

theres 2 things here

one you either have root rot which is causing these issues
which would seem the reason yourplants are gettng worse when you add nutrients, but either way your nutrient was not proper for growing

or your just not adding enough and our roots are already soggy and wasnt able to absorb them properly

 

[Mindovermatter]

I am not using any tsbpoons of nitrogen. I only use the 50ppm of nutes from what you saw above.'

wait your not using any nitrogen at all?

the nutrient your using has a npk on it what does it say?

what brand of coco are you using?

well i was using the picture as a color example, root rot can infect any amount of roots

so you cant see what color the roots are in the rockwool?

this is what you can do, this is what i would do at least

i would get some air to those rockwool cubes
get a fan and help dry out the rockwool and add some h202, to the rockwool cubes, add a bit of water though

yes you will have to get them wet again

use tap water this time with h202 and keep fan on it peel some holes or slit a side in the rockwool and see what color the roots are either way you will need it to help get more air into the rockwool coco mixture to help speed up the drying

rockwool should never be satureated and never dry, needs to stay slightly moist

if you could get a picture of it i could tell you right away if it is or not

only thing i can do is help you in case you do habe it,

theres 2 things here

one you either have root rot which is causing these issues
which would seem the reason yourplants are gettng worse when you add nutrients, but either way your nutrient was not proper for growing

or your just not adding enough and our roots are already soggy and wasnt able to absorb them properly

well im not adding any more nitrogen than the nutes..which says 30-14-25...30% nitrogen I guess...I have posted a picture of the complete profile on page 1 if you wish to see.

The coco is GHE http://www.ebboflod.com/coco_gb.pdf

I slit some holes..gotta run to pharmacy to get h202...

I inspected the roots I could see through the holes I slit in the RW...they look pretty white to me...but in the bottom of the pot where the coco is...thats where I see some brown roots..

 

[sproutco]

Your pictures are out of focus. You should repost if you can. Check out this definition I have for phosphorus deficiency.

Plant dark green , often developing red and purple colors; lower leaves sometimes yellow, drying to greenish brown or black color; stalks short and slender if deficient in later stages of growth

 

[MynameStitch]

he definatly has phoshprus and nitrogen issues, but whats causing it? ppms or root issues is the only thing

nutrients or root issues

if your roots are white inside then you are not feeding them enough, and with that nutrient you was using, its hard to get it balanced right, its just to much nitrogen compared to phosphorus and potassium

 

[sproutco]

To start off with, the fert he is using is low in phosphorus. It is 30-14-25. The 14 is not phosphorus but p2o5. You have to multiply by .43 to get real phosphorus. .43 x 14 = 6% phosphorus. So in reality, it should be 30-6-25 k2o.

I agree with Mynamestitch you are adding too little ferts.

Repost the pictures so we can all gaze at them.

Your plants will suffer if the ph gets high like 6.5.

 

[Mindovermatter]

Soory these are last nights pics..I'll get some more in an hour.

What happened to the pics? they dissapeared?? They are in my gallery anyway if you wish to see.

 

[Mindovermatter]

I dont understand...if I add too little nutes they should be devouring the little I give them now..but they arent even doing that..the ppm stays at 150...

 

[MynameStitch]

they dont take in nutrients right away it takes a bit of time they are small plants
bigger plants take it in faster cause there is a bigger root system

 

[sproutco]

If the plants are saltier than your mild fert, the ferts wont go into the plant. This principle is called difusion.

 

[Mindovermatter]

I see...when I flushed them this morning with distilled water I measured the runoff to 150 ppm...about the same as the nute tank...

Should I bump the nutes to 500??

 

[imnotcrazy]

In regards to who to listen to in regards to sick plants and multiple suggestions: MYNAMESTITCH has helped me in the past and countless others I know for fact. Sproutco as far as I know doesn't grow from what I've heard but IS rather knowledgable and tries to be extremly helpful to everyone. I try to help but if not sure I usually report to STITCH for a second opinion. My suggestion would be to get a desk reference such as Cervantes "Indoor Marijuana Horticulture" so you could look up these things. One of my best purchases to date for this hobby as it contains color pictures in 2 sections showing pests and other nute diseases and is faster to reference than looking on a website IMHO. Either way tho Stitch, Sproutco and I will try to help. But like I said before, the coco is keeping the mix too wet IMO and should be removed at least for the time being untill they can develop some more root mass. Let the bubbles wet a netcup full of RW try not to have it submerged more than 1/2" because I feel that is your problem. For the possible root rot, I've used Hy-gro-zyme to get the plants I referred to in the other thread back to speed and the roots filled the small table I showed you. Even after cutting the roots of 6 plants apart they thrived...

 

[Mindovermatter]

I dont have a hygrometer...but I live close by a lake..so I think its pretty good..
I am gonna try an experiment...lift 4 of the cubes so that they are not in the bubbler...and have 1 with roots into the bubbler...and up the ppm to 400 and wait and see what happens...what do you think?

 

[sproutco]

Diffusion - When there are two bodies of water seperated by a membrane and each contains different salt contents, they will try to become equal. Salts will move to the less salty side and water will try to go to the salty side so both are equal. You have to have at least so much salts in your water in order for the plant to take them up. Yes, raise your nutes to 400ppm and adjust the ph to 6.

 

[Mindovermatter]

sproutco is it true what imnotcrazy says - you dont even grow?