Heart Attack Proof...

[Rukind]

double post

 

[Rukind]

You can always depend on a bunch of stoners to argue about shit they don't even grasp. The ignorance in this thread is astounding. You guys keep arguing your dogma....

You guys restrict your diets so hardcore that they have to be the answer, its classic cognitive dissonance. Granted I think aksalas diet is a lot better(especially if its supplemented) than rukinds low carb bullshit.

Just a little warning for you both, my mom recently got a rare eye disease after following a raw vegan diet for 8 years, I convinced her to start eating cooked food/dairy(it wasn't easy due to her dogma) and the condition literally went away overnight. She now realizes how psycho her restrictive diet was. There are endless anecdotes of similar things happening to others on restrictive diets. If whatever doing is working that's good but don't ignore symptoms because you think your on the best diet ever.

low carb bullshit... its obvious some people cannot see things from any perspective but their own.

what the point in discussing this topic if its not open for debate?

I have a lot of evidence to support my way of eating and it is certainly not bullshit. of course, people just refuse to even think that way because they have been told fat is bad based off of bad science in the first place.. you should see the commercial where they dump fat down a drain and it clogs the drain when it becomes solid saying thats your arteries.. thats ridiculous considering you can clog a drain with bread and veggies.. so lets live on a diet of ice cream. also the only way to make fat solid is to chill it so they would have had to let it cool to even harden.. this was actually played on tv in europe to encourage cutting out fat. lol just watch this shit its retarded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_183WF_DEY

the entire lipid hypothesis was bullshit. Most of the scientist were even claiming it was bad science when it was being debated. Most scientist were saying that there was no evidence to support that theory. The guy pushing it was being paid with grant money, so his entire theory was based off the assumption that he had to be right. The idea was based off of his own victory and had nothing to do with real science. They started preaching about lowering fat before the research was even done because "its better to be safe than sorry". just because heart disease happened to relate to people who were older and eating red meat.. they were not looking at the refined sugar and oils they were using.

now to be healthy, they want you to eat grains and gmo veggies. then add your vitamins and protein shakes... dont forget about your blood pressure medicine and your insulin shots.

but my diet is bullshit.. which was the same diet that we have eaten for hundreds of thousands of years.

I think Vegan propaganda is bullshit. dont hurt the animals

Ill eat any animals it doesn't matter to me. They are all delicious and give me everything I need to survive.

There is no reason to eat all vegan if you even claim omnivore. Why would you not eat meat? that just blows my mind. Its part of life.. its the way life is. one day you will die too.. death is part of what makes life work. meat has been a part of our diet forever and there is no arguing that. no one can.

you kill plants when you eat them and smoke them.. you think they dont know they are dying?

and then out of no where.. the best thing for us to eat is veggies and fruits?? that's what we have been waiting for? Over 500,000 years easy, and we all of a sudden found the holy grail of food.. VEGGIE'S! why wouldn't we just eat veggies from the beginning? why did we ever even consider hunting down a live animal? its a natural instinct. it is a part of who we are.

People are lying too you. All that shit you see on tv is all motivated by profit.. just like that bullshit atkins diet. When most of that research is motivated by grant money, how can you really believe any word of it, even when there is plenty of scientist/doctors out their actually doing their research and showing its not the truth.

I know all of you deep down, know meat is a food that we are supposed to eat. its pre programmed into us. I have seen babys go from tit straight to little pieces of meat at less than 1 years old. They wouldn't touch a veggie if it wasn't forced to or seen its mother/father eat it. They baby always chose the meat. Also my the couple that had the baby ate a similar diet to mine and their baby was born with eye's open.

Breast milk is 50 percent fat! lol come out how can you not see this..??

 

[toughmudderdave]

What really sucks is I started this thread because for the first time in my life I'm healthy...feel amazing and am losing weight at an incredible rate....and I no longer fear heart disease because I'll never have it...

And you had to troll it....

Seriously bro...you suck.

Go start your own thread to push your lifestyle....seriously....

I just wanted to reaffirm you my friend that you've done the right thing and deserve credit for your accomplishment(s).

You and I have had similar physical conditions and we set out upon a quest to do something about it. I've studied physiology, diet and nutrition off and on for the past 30 some odd years and I've helped many people either lose bodyfat and/or gain lean body mass and maintain a healthy lifestyle. I lost focus a while ago but got back on track.

Kudos to you my friend.

 

[SeaMaiden]

Only a few people are so myopic, Andre. I have yet to see a single poster in this thread who actually has an area of expertise related to the subject at hand except TMD. I believe I brought up some of the issues different people may have with different foods, as well as the issue with being completely vegan. There is also a problem with consuming only raw foods, as many nutrients are only unlocked (made bio-available) through cooking.

The idea that vegetables weren't around for hominins to consume is unbelievably... ignorant. There is no other word for it. It's just straight up ignorance. Along with debating the validity of the Krebs cycle, I think we've established fairly well that this boy (you're younger than my kids and older than only one) doesn't really know what he's talking about. For one thing, there's no way that a 24yo could have personally witnessed decades upon decades of a particular diet working well. Unless he's able to fold space and time....

..... im done here

i give you the benefit of the doubt and reasearch what you have proposed.. you have not taken the time to read anything I have posted.

you are stuck in the mud man. like i said, i recomend about 5g of cubensis. that will surely open that mind up to different idea's.

I dont know why you have a problem with an idea that there could be more than 1 way to be healthy.

take it easy on that pumper

Ru, if you offered us something more than just your flapping gums, you might be taken a little more seriously, irrespective of your age.

So far you're giving us the words of an archaeologist and a doctor who said that cholesterol alone isn't the 'cause' of heart attacks/disease. THAT'S IT! Neither, however, is an expert in nutrition. Not even the Natives of this land would have lived on something like pemmican alone. You debate the hard science of the Krebs cycle, which means that you've really *only* offered us your opinion (flappin' gums), and little else of substance. Yet you insist that your beliefs (flappin' gums) about things like how humans evolved and what our 'true' diet should be are fact.

Ru, how about you drum up a dietitian or something other than YouTubes and Wikis about people whose areas of expertise are *not* in human nutrition? You've offered up one person, and what he said doesn't jive with the crap you're putting out there.

 

[toughmudderdave]

I personally know guys older than both of you that have been eating high fat diets for over 20 years and are in great health. Never have had heart problems or diabetes.

Really? You know them personally? I don't personally know of one single adult person who maintains a diet like that and even come close to laying the claim that they're the epitome of health and wellness. I work in a company of about 120 people and nobody, not even the kiddies around your age, can even come close to the level of health and fitness I'm in. And I owe most of my success to diet. And I've studied diet and nutrition in college and have helped many achieve their fitness/health goals over the years

Can you believe a 24 year old is out smarting you??

Are you serious?

 

[Rukind]

doesn't matter i guess you guys are right..

eat how you want but dont criticize me without giving my point of view a chance. its sad the ego we have here on a cannabis forum.. i remember mycology forums being much more open minded.. why is that?

I do know many people who eat similar to me.

How do you think I caught on to it? I didn't believe it at first until I did my research.

explain why breast milk is 50 percent fat? my friends baby only breast fed and is now eating only small pieces of meat and he looks way more healthy than any of my other friends baby. rarely has a runny nose and is actually calm and not nearly as fussy. he has a healthy wate and even has a little tone around his arms.

all my other friends baby's are fat and alwyas sick.. always ear infections..

they feed them formula warmed up in a microwave

it doesnt take a nutritionist to know how to eat. explain all those years we ate this way? thats is all you even need to know.. to say that meat is bad just blows my mind.. i cant even grasp that concept.. i try.. and i used too.. now i cant believe i even thought that way.

being a vegan sucked.. i would have done anything to bite into a nice steak

 

[Rukind]

By the way, Yes i am fucking seriously 24 years old.. can you believe that. Age plays a such a big role in information. I dont know why I even respond to such a post. its lacking substance and intelligence.

I have had quite the life for being 24.. not as young as you think I am. I dont see what the fuck age has to do with it anyways.. Especially where there is a 77 year old doctor that had diabetes when he was 12 saying exactly what I am saying. Back then the doctor and nutritionist told him he got diabetes from eating FAT.. how the fuck does that even work? its impossible. its just made up garbage.

the evidence is there.. u just got to drop the ego and look.

 

[AndreNicky]

Breast milk is 50 percent fat! lol come out how can you not see this..??

It's nearly 50% carbohydrates as well and its rich in MCFA which act somewhat like carbohydrates. I have no problem with your advocation of animal foods just your retarded fear of carbs.

 

[SeaMaiden]

Oh man, now you're going to force us to explain how infants and young children require a different diet than adults, and that our dietary needs change according to current physiology, age, fitness, etcetera?

Why does a pregnant woman need extra vitamins? I don't want to hear about how someone is raising their child to be so unhealthy, honestly. Please tell us that at the VERY least your friend is premasticating that meat for the child, as was the traditional method of feeding children without teeth foods. You *do* know, without Googling, what premastication is, yes? And I assume you know its purpose?

to say that meat is bad just blows my mind.. i cant even grasp that concept.. i try.. and i used too.

Who said that?? What most of the people here have been advocating is a BALANCED diet, not meat and fat-only, and not purely vegan.


See, your initial premise, that we have always eaten this way (nothing but meat and fat) is specious. So, until you come off of that paradigm and see how incorrect that is, you won't see how wrong you are.

Actually, ignorant. You have presented neither archaeological/anthropological evidence for your statements, nor have you presented factual science, instead decrying the science as invalid. Speak with a DIETITIAN. That person is an expert on how the human body utilizes what's ingested, and can discuss with you in-depth what's right and what's wrong with your thinking.

I thought you were done with this thread.

 

[Rukind]

It's nearly 50% carbohydrates as well and its rich in MCFA which act somewhat like carbohydrates. I have no problem with your advocation of animal foods just your retarded fear of carbs.

I do not fear carbs. I only believe fat is the biggest part of a healthy diet.

especially when your body makes carbs out of protein? you dont even need carbs, thats the idea.

and like i said i dont even care about what people eat.. just please stop saying I am wrong without proving me wrong.

Ill find you guys plenty of research if thats what you want.

 

[Rukind]

Oh man, now you're going to force us to explain how infants and young children require a different diet than adults, and that our dietary needs change according to current physiology, age, fitness, etcetera?

Why does a pregnant woman need extra vitamins? I don't want to hear about how someone is raising their child to be so unhealthy, honestly. Please tell us that at the VERY least your friend is premasticating that meat for the child, as was the traditional method of feeding children without teeth foods. You *do* know, without Googling, what premastication is, yes? And I assume you know its purpose?

See, your initial premise, that we have always eaten this way (nothing but meat and fat) is specious. So, until you come off of that paradigm and see how incorrect that is, you won't see how wrong you are.

Actually, ignorant. You have presented neither archaeological/anthropological evidence for your statements, nor have you presented factual science, instead decrying the science as invalid. Speak with a DIETITIAN. That person is an expert on how the human body utilizes what's ingested, and can discuss with you in-depth what's right and what's wrong with your thinking.

I thought you were done with this thread.

I already told aklaska or whatever his name is.. I am having too much fun with this to just quit now.

 

[Rukind]

Oh man, now you're going to force us to explain how infants and young children require a different diet than adults, and that our dietary needs change according to current physiology, age, fitness, etcetera?

Why does a pregnant woman need extra vitamins? I don't want to hear about how someone is raising their child to be so unhealthy, honestly. Please tell us that at the VERY least your friend is premasticating that meat for the child, as was the traditional method of feeding children without teeth foods. You *do* know, without Googling, what premastication is, yes? And I assume you know its purpose?


Who said that?? What most of the people here have been advocating is a BALANCED diet, not meat and fat-only, and not purely vegan.


See, your initial premise, that we have always eaten this way (nothing but meat and fat) is specious. So, until you come off of that paradigm and see how incorrect that is, you won't see how wrong you are.

Actually, ignorant. You have presented neither archaeological/anthropological evidence for your statements, nor have you presented factual science, instead decrying the science as invalid. Speak with a DIETITIAN. That person is an expert on how the human body utilizes what's ingested, and can discuss with you in-depth what's right and what's wrong with your thinking.

I thought you were done with this thread.

I never once said we only ate meat and fat.. please show me the post that i made with that text included in it.

i said we ate them rarely.. meat was our main source of food.

 

[toughmudderdave]

Back then the doctor and nutritionist told him he got diabetes from eating FAT.. how the fuck does that even work? its impossible. its just made up garbage.

the evidence is there.. u just got to drop the ego and look.

Who the hell are you arguing this to? Me? My mother is diabetic, I was pre-diabetic...I personally know a thing or two about diabetes and I would never presume to believe that eating fat leads to diabetes. Kiddo....you need to drop the defensive posturing, capiche?

 

[Rukind]

Who the hell are you arguing this to? Me? My mother is diabetic, I was pre-diabetic...I personally know a thing or two about diabetes and I would never presume to believe that eating fat leads to diabetes. Kiddo....you need to drop the defensive posturing, capiche?

when that 77 year old was 12 the doctor told him diabetes was caused by fat.. that is what doctors used to believe.. and now its sugar that causes it.

my dad was a diabtetic and died.. my grandma and my grandpa also have it.. I think I know about it too. I am a kiddo lol I am 24 and have lived on my own since I was 16. I have been through more deaths than any 24 year old should ever have to go through because of poor diet and drugs.

 

[AndreNicky]

Ru, how about you drum up a dietitian or something other than YouTubes and Wikis about people whose areas of expertise are *not* in human nutrition? You've offered up one person, and what he said doesn't jive with the crap you're putting out there.

I've posted a ton of info debunking aksalas low fat vegan non sense, it seems to have been ignored though. I'll post it again just for you, maybe you'll actually read it?

http://rawfoodsos.com/2011/09/22/forks-over-knives-is-the-science-legit-a-review-and-critique/
http://rawfoodsos.com/the-china-study/
http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/
http://blog.cholesterol-and-health.com/2011/08/central-role-of-thyroid-hormone-in.html
http://blog.cholesterol-and-health.com/2011/08/my-ahs-presentation-is-now-online.html
http://www.westonaprice.org/blogs/c...e-looked-for-vegans-but-found-only-cannibals/
http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200251h.html(very good book showing that healthy cultures can thrive with the absence of degenerative disease on very different diets)

I have no problem with aksalas diet if it works for him but the same diet left me with many health complications so you can maybe understand where I'm coming from? Obviously there is a ton of genetic diversity at play, what might work for you isn't gonna necessarily work for me and my goals. I need animal vit A because my body doesn't convert beta carotene efficiently.

 

[AndreNicky]

Ill find you guys plenty of research if thats what you want.

Research that proves what exactly? The only real life evidence we have of people subsiting on a low carb diet are the inuit and they eat a novel diet of coldwater seafood, organs, entrails, fermented meat etc. They apparently age pretty young as well. Granted they didn't suffer from heart disease on there native diet which clearly shows something.

 

[toughmudderdave]

I do not fear carbs. I only believe fat is the biggest part of a healthy diet.

especially when your body makes carbs out of protein? you dont even need carbs, thats the idea.

and like i said i dont even care about what people eat.. just please stop saying I am wrong without proving me wrong.

Ill find you guys plenty of research if thats what you want.

Please do. And I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying I disagree with you.

 

[toughmudderdave]

when that 77 year old was 12 the doctor told him diabetes was caused by fat.. that is what doctors used to believe.. and now its sugar that causes it.

my dad was a diabtetic and died.. my grandma and my grandpa also have it.. I think I know about it too. I am a kiddo lol I am 24 and have lived on my own since I was 16. I have been through more deaths than any 24 year old should ever have to go through because of poor diet and drugs.

I'll ask again...Who are you arguing this to?

 

[SeaMaiden]

I've posted a ton of info debunking aksalas low fat vegan non sense, it seems to have been ignored though. I'll post it again just for you, maybe you'll actually read it?

http://rawfoodsos.com/2011/09/22/forks-over-knives-is-the-science-legit-a-review-and-critique/
http://rawfoodsos.com/the-china-study/
http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/
http://blog.cholesterol-and-health.com/2011/08/central-role-of-thyroid-hormone-in.html
http://blog.cholesterol-and-health.com/2011/08/my-ahs-presentation-is-now-online.html
http://www.westonaprice.org/blogs/c...e-looked-for-vegans-but-found-only-cannibals/
http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200251h.html(very good book showing that healthy cultures can thrive with the absence of degenerative disease on very different diets)

I have no problem with aksalas diet if it works for him but the same diet left me with many health complications so you can maybe understand where I'm coming from? Obviously there is a ton of genetic diversity at play, what might work for you isn't gonna necessarily work for me and my goals. I need animal vit A because my body doesn't convert beta carotene efficiently.

I must have missed those links, yes. However, I personally am more interested in things like peer reviewed, published studies. Would those blogs provide links to actual data? Perusing them, they don't appear to be giving us the basis of their assessments and claims. They're simply making statements.

I'll state again, not everyone can eat the same things, however, basing our diet on vegetables is, again generally, better for us than basing it on (processed and broken down) grains or meats.

You know that the beta carotene found in most vegetables needs to be cooked to be 'unlocked', yes? And not just cooking, but must be cooked in...




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Fats.


http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/vitamina
^^^ See that link? That's the kind of hard data I'm after people to use if they're really going to support their arguments. Is anyone else here familiar with LEAP nutritional therapy? Again, hard data and facts, peer reviewed published papers. Lay it on me.

 

[Rukind]

There is plenty of research on the inuit and there is plenty of research on modern day too. so lets start with modern day science behind high fat diet.

I first learned about all of this because i had epilepsy. i was told by my doctor to eat a ketogenic diet.. I did and it went away. I have never had a seizure since. Also i find that cannabis helped with that too. I dont eat ketogenic because I am ketone adapted.. I dont not piss out ketones.

here is some science to back that up.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100216163531.htm

how eating butter reduced CHD and margarine increased it.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9229205

http://healthcorrelator.blogspot.com/2010/02/large-ldl-and-small-hdl-particles-best.html

http://www.sciencecodex.com/this_is_your_brain_on_fatty_acids

more information on ketogenic diet for epilepsy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS52D9YopBc&feature=related

reddit paleo diet faq area
http://www.reddit.com/help/faqs/paleo

a link to 4 of stefansons books.
http://db.tt/ntguTS

a book called "the stone age diety"
https://www.yousendit.com/transfer....378333&email=bae3a2e0a2ba2088a765e0fe70b3353a

http://www.thincs.org/news.htm

http://www.bmj.com/content/337/bmj.a1681.full?ijkey=rIAxXmCReGu9zU7&keytype=ref

here is the 77 year old doctor guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VaNJO7KMgg&feature=related

http://www.ajcn.org/content/91/3/535.abstract

stefansons trip to the arctic
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http://pubs.aina.ucalgary.ca/arctic/Arctic45-1-90.pdf
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http://books.google.com/books?id=AE...#v=onepage&q="george leavitt" narwhal&f=false
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http://books.google.com/books?id=BTUbAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false
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http://www25.uua.org/uuhs/duub/articles/vilhjalmurstefansson.html
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OWSLEY STANLEY
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http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=287013
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http://thebear.org/essays1.html#anchor496162
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a picture of him in his 70's eating only meat for 47 years
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=owsl...tart=0&ndsp=14&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0&tx=27&ty=64


some more information.
http://forum.dirtycarnivore.com/index.php?topic=1100.0


this is awesome and if you want to know more about fat and heart disease, this explains a lot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVEiYwFvKvU


i havn't been to sleep yet. im tired.. that is some of many resources.. so i can at least back up what I am saying.

Eating this way works for me and I have done my research. I feel good and my health is better than it ever has been.

i dont care how anyone eats on this board.. this is just my 2 cents on nutrition and that I have my reasons other than me just being .. stupid..

inuit ate mostly fat.. the ones that did not die from trauma or infections lived into their 90's with no heart disease..

I feel the human diet is a totally carnivores one. that is up for debate. It is just what I believe. You can absolutely be healthy and eat nothing but meat with lots of fat..

also fat taste soo good.