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He was so mean he made medicine ill
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The days before pay"through the nose" per view. He was the greatest. All you had to do was listen to him for a minute and he'd tell you he was the greatest. lol
Rip Sir.
Rip Sir.
One day I was playing at a friend's house...his dad was Vietnam vet w two purple hearts. I overheard my friends dad say Ali was a coward and a draft dodger. I had been raised in the 70s to listen to what vets said about war above all others
So I went home later and found my dad building a fence. I announced that Ali was a coward and a draft dodger. And my father stopped hammering the nail. Now...when my dad stopped working to talk to me...99/100 I knew an ass beating would follow...dad just didn't stop working to talk...that didn't make sense...so I was scared shirtless
Instead he came over to me and sat down. Explained that the conversation we were about to have was man stuff not kid stuff
I won't bore you w the convo..but that talk was the basis and the....platform..from which I started judging a person's ability and willingness to stand for themselves and others..against the grain...when something was wrong...and still judge myself by that standard
The older I've gotten the more I've learned about the path of life and the journey we all take..the mistakes we all make...the ideas we have that are wrong and how to move past them...
I've just realized that I do not have the tools to express the greatness of his humanity w words...this is just stupid...but that wouldn't stop Ali from running his mouth..so it won't stop me
So I went home later and found my dad building a fence. I announced that Ali was a coward and a draft dodger. And my father stopped hammering the nail. Now...when my dad stopped working to talk to me...99/100 I knew an ass beating would follow...dad just didn't stop working to talk...that didn't make sense...so I was scared shirtless
Instead he came over to me and sat down. Explained that the conversation we were about to have was man stuff not kid stuff
I won't bore you w the convo..but that talk was the basis and the....platform..from which I started judging a person's ability and willingness to stand for themselves and others..against the grain...when something was wrong...and still judge myself by that standard
The older I've gotten the more I've learned about the path of life and the journey we all take..the mistakes we all make...the ideas we have that are wrong and how to move past them...
I've just realized that I do not have the tools to express the greatness of his humanity w words...this is just stupid...but that wouldn't stop Ali from running his mouth..so it won't stop me
al70
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A good dad, goodluck
As a kid in the 70's I was absolutely floored how Ali scared the shit out of most white people - it's like they just couldn't believe a black man could have a confidence and spirit like that.
I always cringed a bit cause I thought he often took it to almost a cartoonish level, but I guess that's what it took to make people take him seriously.
Sucks to see Bob Arum and Don King tongue bathing him in eulogies after they essentially made their fortune on his back.
Ali was most certainly a great and enigmatic boxer and used his fame as a vehicle to question and object against the establishment, conscientiously. To me Ali was not so much about color, but about how strong the human spirit can be, and how powerfully that can manifest itself upon the worlds populace....Every country I have ever been to (all 52) they knew of the greatness of Mohamed Ali ...
Here are a few of his many quotes:
'Float like a butterfly, Sting like a bee, your hands can't hit, what your eyes can't see.' - Prior to his fight against Foreman in 1974.
'If my mind can conceive it, and my heart can believe it – then I can achieve it.'
'I'm not the greatest; I'm the double greatest. Not only do I knock 'em out, I pick the round.'
'It's hard to be humble, when you're as great as I am.'
'To make America the greatest is my goal, so I beat the Russian and I beat the Pole. And for the USA won the medal of gold. The Greeks said you're better than the Cassius of old.' - He said this quote after he won the Olympic light-heavyweight gold medal at the 1960 Games in Rome.
'It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up.'
'Live every day like it's your last because someday you're going to be right.'
'A man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted thirty years of his life.'
'I done wrestled with an alligator, I done tussled with a whale, handcuffed lightning, thrown thunder in jail; only last week I murdered a rock, injured a stone, hospitalized a brick. I'm so mean I make medicine sick.' - Ali said this before the historic Rumble in the Jungle match that took place in 1974 in Zaire against George Foreman.
'I am so fast that last night I turned off the light switch and was in bed before the room was dark.'
'Boxing is a lot of white men watching two black men beating each other up.'
'Cassius Clay is a slave name. I didn't choose it, and I didn't want it. I am Muhammad Ali, a free name, and I insist people using it when speaking to me and of me.'
'It will be a killer and a chiller and a thriller when I get the gorilla in Manila.' - Ali said this before the historic and legendary 'Thrilla in Manila' match against Joe Frazier in 1975.
'I hated every minute of training, but I said, 'Don't quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'
'Only a man who knows what it is like to be defeated can reach down to the bottom of his soul and come up with the extra ounce of power it takes to win when the match is even.'
'There are no pleasures in a fight, but some of my fights have been a pleasure to win.'
'I am the greatest, I'm the greatest that ever lived. I don't have a mark on my face.' - Ali said this after he beat competitor Sonny Liston in 1964.
'Impossible is just a big word thrown around by small men who find it easier to live in the world they've been given than to explore the power they have to change it. Impossible is not a fact. It's an opinion. Impossible is not a declaration. It's a dare. Impossible is potential. Impossible is temporary. Impossible is nothing.'
'Don't count the days; make the days count.'
'It's not bragging if you can back it up.'
'Champions aren't made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them: a desire, a dream, a vision. They have to have last-minute stamina, they have to be a little faster, they have to have the skill and the will. But the will must be stronger than the skill.' - Ali said this prior to a fight against George Foreman in 1974.
'At home I am a nice guy: but I don't want the world to know. Humble people, I've found, don't get very far.'
'If you even dream of beating me, you better wake up and apologize.'
'My way of joking is to tell the truth. That's the funniest joke in the world.'
'I am America. I am the part you won't recognize. But get used to me. Black, confident, cocky, my name not yours. My religion, not yours; my goals, my own; get used to me.' - Ali said this in 1970 when he was convicted of draft evasion.
'The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses—behind the lines, in the gym, and out there on the road, long before I dance under those lights.'
'He who is not courageous enough to take risks will accomplish nothing in life.'
'It's lack of faith that makes people afraid of meeting challenges, and I believed in myself.'
And rumble Ali did. He fought anyone who meant anything and made millions of dollars with his lightning-quick jab. His fights were so memorable that they had names — 'Rumble in the Jungle' and 'Thrilla in Manila.'
But it was as much his antics — and his mouth — outside the ring that transformed the man born Cassius Clay into a household name as Muhammad Ali.
'I am the greatest,' Ali thundered again and again.
Few would disagree.
Ali spurned white America when he joined the Black Muslims and changed his name. He defied the draft at the height of the Vietnam war — 'I ain't got no quarrel with them Viet Cong' — and lost 3 1/2 years from the prime of his career. He entertained world leaders, once telling Philippines President Ferdinand Marcos: 'I saw your wife. You're not as dumb as you look.'
He later embarked on a second career as a missionary for Islam.
'Boxing was my field mission, the first part of my life,' he said in 1990, adding with typical braggadocio, 'I will be the greatest evangelist ever.
Here are a few of his many quotes:
'Float like a butterfly, Sting like a bee, your hands can't hit, what your eyes can't see.' - Prior to his fight against Foreman in 1974.
'If my mind can conceive it, and my heart can believe it – then I can achieve it.'
'I'm not the greatest; I'm the double greatest. Not only do I knock 'em out, I pick the round.'
'It's hard to be humble, when you're as great as I am.'
'To make America the greatest is my goal, so I beat the Russian and I beat the Pole. And for the USA won the medal of gold. The Greeks said you're better than the Cassius of old.' - He said this quote after he won the Olympic light-heavyweight gold medal at the 1960 Games in Rome.
'It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up.'
'Live every day like it's your last because someday you're going to be right.'
'A man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted thirty years of his life.'
'I done wrestled with an alligator, I done tussled with a whale, handcuffed lightning, thrown thunder in jail; only last week I murdered a rock, injured a stone, hospitalized a brick. I'm so mean I make medicine sick.' - Ali said this before the historic Rumble in the Jungle match that took place in 1974 in Zaire against George Foreman.
'I am so fast that last night I turned off the light switch and was in bed before the room was dark.'
'Boxing is a lot of white men watching two black men beating each other up.'
'Cassius Clay is a slave name. I didn't choose it, and I didn't want it. I am Muhammad Ali, a free name, and I insist people using it when speaking to me and of me.'
'It will be a killer and a chiller and a thriller when I get the gorilla in Manila.' - Ali said this before the historic and legendary 'Thrilla in Manila' match against Joe Frazier in 1975.
'I hated every minute of training, but I said, 'Don't quit. Suffer now and live the rest of your life as a champion.'
'Only a man who knows what it is like to be defeated can reach down to the bottom of his soul and come up with the extra ounce of power it takes to win when the match is even.'
'There are no pleasures in a fight, but some of my fights have been a pleasure to win.'
'I am the greatest, I'm the greatest that ever lived. I don't have a mark on my face.' - Ali said this after he beat competitor Sonny Liston in 1964.
'Impossible is just a big word thrown around by small men who find it easier to live in the world they've been given than to explore the power they have to change it. Impossible is not a fact. It's an opinion. Impossible is not a declaration. It's a dare. Impossible is potential. Impossible is temporary. Impossible is nothing.'
'Don't count the days; make the days count.'
'It's not bragging if you can back it up.'
'Champions aren't made in the gyms. Champions are made from something they have deep inside them: a desire, a dream, a vision. They have to have last-minute stamina, they have to be a little faster, they have to have the skill and the will. But the will must be stronger than the skill.' - Ali said this prior to a fight against George Foreman in 1974.
'At home I am a nice guy: but I don't want the world to know. Humble people, I've found, don't get very far.'
'If you even dream of beating me, you better wake up and apologize.'
'My way of joking is to tell the truth. That's the funniest joke in the world.'
'I am America. I am the part you won't recognize. But get used to me. Black, confident, cocky, my name not yours. My religion, not yours; my goals, my own; get used to me.' - Ali said this in 1970 when he was convicted of draft evasion.
'The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses—behind the lines, in the gym, and out there on the road, long before I dance under those lights.'
'He who is not courageous enough to take risks will accomplish nothing in life.'
'It's lack of faith that makes people afraid of meeting challenges, and I believed in myself.'
And rumble Ali did. He fought anyone who meant anything and made millions of dollars with his lightning-quick jab. His fights were so memorable that they had names — 'Rumble in the Jungle' and 'Thrilla in Manila.'
But it was as much his antics — and his mouth — outside the ring that transformed the man born Cassius Clay into a household name as Muhammad Ali.
'I am the greatest,' Ali thundered again and again.
Few would disagree.
Ali spurned white America when he joined the Black Muslims and changed his name. He defied the draft at the height of the Vietnam war — 'I ain't got no quarrel with them Viet Cong' — and lost 3 1/2 years from the prime of his career. He entertained world leaders, once telling Philippines President Ferdinand Marcos: 'I saw your wife. You're not as dumb as you look.'
He later embarked on a second career as a missionary for Islam.
'Boxing was my field mission, the first part of my life,' he said in 1990, adding with typical braggadocio, 'I will be the greatest evangelist ever.
Absolutely right...I followed(like millions of others) his career and life from the moment I discovered him...loved boxing from childhood...and there were times I (like many) swung from loving him to despising him...but what a life to follow! And without social media...but no one in my memory has brought the larger picture into focus for me in so many ways...his life should be a college course on what it is to be American.
I usually don't get carried away by bullshit social media condolences or celebrations of life...but I promise you...in 100 years or 500...he will still be an American icon ...a world icon..and one of the last history will forget
He will still be...The Greatest
I'm very against talking ill about the deceased, and I'm gonna get shit for this but are we just gonna forget about him and Malcolm x telling the Black Panthers to kill whitey? Cause it did happen.while he dodged the Vietnam war he was fighting his own war against whites here.I'm sorry but its true.I'm sorry I had to be the one to say it.rip
Absolutely true man...it happened...hence the swings from love and hate...but he learned he was wrong...and he spent the rest of his life making sure people knew he was wrong for that...and was sorry...
In today's world a quick apology on IG is about the most we get from celebrities when they express or believe in something they come to regret..for either the right reasons or pr....he preached to the world those beliefs were wrong and apologized...walked it like he talked it and didn't duck
As for dodging the draft...well...I'm a veteran as is every male member on both sides of my family tree...AND stepfathers family tree...and our consensus has been DODGING the draft is heading up to Canada or staying in college for 11 years or getting daddy to put you in a national guard air unit that doesn't even have aircraft and no shot at going over...saying no and suffering the consequences without breaking because you believe is another thing entirely..
I don't think you should get shit for saying it...it happened...it's his history..
In today's world a quick apology on IG is about the most we get from celebrities when they express or believe in something they come to regret..for either the right reasons or pr....he preached to the world those beliefs were wrong and apologized...walked it like he talked it and didn't duck
As for dodging the draft...well...I'm a veteran as is every male member on both sides of my family tree...AND stepfathers family tree...and our consensus has been DODGING the draft is heading up to Canada or staying in college for 11 years or getting daddy to put you in a national guard air unit that doesn't even have aircraft and no shot at going over...saying no and suffering the consequences without breaking because you believe is another thing entirely..
I don't think you should get shit for saying it...it happened...it's his history..
Good post subrob.I'm sorry but it had to be said.my biggest problem with him is his arrogance. he wasn't the greatest.Joe Frazier whooped him.and he wouldnt even stand a chance against Tyson.anyway sorry.rip
Haha...now we can get to some boxing talk!!!! I watched every Tyson fight...all the way past buster Douglas...can't remember any I missed...but I disagree 100%....Ali was far too skilled for Mike Tyson...maybe when they were both twenty w even experience Mike could a got him...but once Ali hit his peak he would have slaughtered him...ripped apart every aspect of Mike's game...Tyson...who was a better boxer than his killeveryone style would have us believe..he couldn't hold a candle to Ali...now...what I dream about is Joe Frazier and Mike Tyson...the only person Mike fought who could take a punch like Joe was Evander..
But I'm wandering off topic here...diff thread...haha
But I'm wandering off topic here...diff thread...haha
And yes he was an arrogant sob....maybe the most arrogant athlete of all time...but that led to greatness...and it was countered by his humanity...anyway you look at it...that man gave more of himself than he took for himself...
I am 100% behind everything you say and not trying to be argumentative at all...I'm just an Ali freak...
I am 100% behind everything you say and not trying to be argumentative at all...I'm just an Ali freak...
You wanna know what I REALLY wanted to see? Ali and Bruce Lee in a real fight! Bruce was actually a huge fan of Ali and used some of Ali's techniques and philosophy when he developed JKD
