hbd and s60 in dwc under the l.e.d

[20/4]

Hey skotty, ive got some blue streak going right now... mine are around 25 days old currently, around 17 inches tall right now, i suspect they will top out around 20"... They are only in half a gallon of SOIL! Im very happy with these so far, they remind me so much of sour60...

How old and tall are yours right now?

Best wishes, 20/4

 

[skotty]

cheers

i dont wanna be negative but i have to document the facts about the whole grow so people who read it can see and maybe do things different to the way ive carried the grow out and hopefully do this strain some justice

sour 60 is the worst strain i have personally grown in dwc as far as performance goes you cant even smell the plants untill you open the tent but normally my house is humming with that beautifull ganja aroma, they are deffo stealth in terms of fragrance im even using carbo load which intesifies the smell but these girls just dont wanna know

obviosuly im gonna get a smoke out of them and i really hope they hit the spot otherwise im gonna have to say they are overhyped in a very big way from what i have grown so far

my blue streak turned out to be male and i only have 2 sour 60s left i have no idea on the size of them and they aint something i wanna be shouting about either as for their age i think 1 is around day 30 ish and the other is 50 something, to think that i could of grown another maxi or an onyx in this amount of time is heart breaking

i know people have grown this strain out with great sucsess but its deffo not a keeper for me in my search for bigger yielding autos in hydro but at least its something i can cross off my list

i think an auto white widow strain should be added to my list of things to try next ill have to have a look and see whats available

onwards and upwards

 

[mitch_connor]

Do you think hydro knocks any days off the overall time period with AF's?

Or would you say they just get bigger than a soil grown AF in the same time period?

 

[skotty]

well there is a few things to take into consideration here, hydro normally gives you 3x the yield over soil and then you have to factor in the trich colour you wanna aim for but most autos can be harvested within the 10 week seed to weed period

everybody has their own preference as to when they wanna chop their plants, mine has and probably always will be when they are 100% cloudy and just turning amber and ive always harvested around 10 weeks

im pretty sure once you have grown a strain more than once you can shave massive time off because you become acustomed to know what the plants want and when they want it

 

[mitch_connor]

cool points.

i guess you just don't get the learning curve with AF's as thats true with soil Af grows too, if you fuck them somehow (at the beginning especially) you may aswell write them off, in my experience anyway.

 

[skotty]

Nah mate Not always true. I had an Il diavolo that started off life with a deficency but she still grew to 32" tall its documented on here somewhere. Some autos are really sturdy and can take abuse like over feed and topping and others fall flat on their arse

 

[mitch_connor]

ok cool bro, i should have said in my experience. i stand corrected though

 

[skotty]

had to bite the bullet and pull another sour 60 today as things just aint going they way their meant to with this 1, its being replaced with a blue venom (blueberry x white widow)

im a bit dissapointed with how this has gone cause i had high hopes for this strain in my setup,but im not to discouraged as i can put it down to a learning curve

in the amount of time my last sour 60 has left it should give my new baby some good veg time before switching 12/12

1 of my close friends popped round earlier with a nice gift some trainwreck and blue cheese mmmmm just the aroma from the blue cheese is enough to get you high truly a beautifull hum and outstanding smoke

this is the closest i have to any bud shots at the minute but it is currently what im smoking


trainwreck buds

blue cheese buds

 

[skotty]

had a major turn of events today.... i currently use a bluelab truncheon which you cant self caliberate and ive bought some ec fluid to test my meter....... the meter is fuked

so ive been an bought a new ec meter which you can self calibrate, ive rushed home tested it in the fluid and its bang on as you would expect with a brand new meter, ive also tested my tap water which is reading .1 ec tested my buckets and they are also reading .1ec (basically not enough food = underfed plants ) im so fuked off right about now and i cant beleive i didnt catch on to this sooner, everybody raves about the bluelab truncheons which is why i bought 1 in the 1st place but if you want some proper advice then buy 1 that you can calibrate yourself

i had done nothing different with this grow compared to all my previous 1's except ive been using and out of sync fuked ec meter

i can only appologise for my stupidity and eat my words regarding this strain as it never stood a chance to perform well especially with faulty equipment on my behalf

ive now done a complete res change and set the ec to .5 i know its to little to late and i feel a complete cock for not seeing this sooner

anyways im deffo gonna look forward to growing this strain again only next time ill be 100% prepared for the job

so i apologise to mdanzig and anybody else who was following this grow as the strain is fine it was my fault and my equipment that wasnt up to the job (hangs head in shame)

id sprout more sour 60's but ive got my blue venom on the go and i only have the 1 seed otherwise id be germinating right now,hopefully on my next auto grow i can redeem my errors

peace

 

[mitch_connor]

shit man, at least you realised.. better late than never.. what a shame!

It's hard to tell with your pics mainly being under the LED, but they did look like they were suffering from nute burn..as opposed to being hungry..

 

[20/4]

To me it looked like they were hungry, but it through me off because you said they were being fed adequately...

Sorry to hear about the misfortune.. i really wanted to see sour60 potential in hydro and i thought you were gonna do it spot on, just like the maxi...

Shit happenes though bro, if i were you i would get some more sour60 started AND VEG some regular 12/12 plants , after the 60 days for sour60, harvest them and flip your light to 12/12... Lots of harvest that way and back to back harvests...any way you do it the choice is yours... i would just do that man, so you can still show s60 is the real deal

Whats your plan?

 

[skotty]

yeah my thoughts exactly but what happens when a plant is hungry ??? they will draw the feed out of the leaves, its a difficult 1 to spot the difference between nute burn and underfed because both will start at the tips of the leaves and work their way inwards

the plants all started off great and as soon as you see the tips turn yellow you instantly think nute burn especially in hydro also what didnt help matters is the ec meter giving false readings, if the ec was actually dropping then the ec meter wasnt picking it up cause it wasnt working properly, i was actually giving less feed than what the meter was telling me so it looked like the plants were being over fed as oppose to underfed, hence why i reduced the nutes to the point where there was pratically nothing in the res

its a difficult 1 to explain and understand unless you grow in hydro or are familiar with how it works

and yeah your right about the led, the intenisty from the light is so bright it makes it really difficult to see and diagnose properly what is actually going on, its even harder to take pics

absoloute begginers error from me but i dont mind holding my hands up when ive got something wrong

 

[mitch_connor]

yeh fair play man, in this case you were really unfortunate I think...

To me growing is about learning lessons, and hopefully never repeating what you did wrong

If it's a total pain in the ass to move your buckets out the tent.. maybe just setup a couple of cool temp flouros that you can turn on just for plant inspection?

 

[20/4]

I understand the under feed looking like over feed very much so, thats what happened with the Pinkbud im growing currently... Right when i started feeding them bloom nutes they started from the tip of the leaf and work its way in.. But i found out in a couple weeks they were just asking for more, im sure i did hinder them a little bit, but they have recovered incredibly...

Everyone makes silly errors bro, i mean look how bad i stunted those NYLD because i waited to long to transplant...

Just get some more going!

 

[skotty]

To me it looked like they were hungry, but it through me off because you said they were being fed adequately...

Sorry to hear about the misfortune.. i really wanted to see sour60 potential in hydro and i thought you were gonna do it spot on, just like the maxi...

Shit happenes though bro, if i were you i would get some more sour60 started AND VEG some regular 12/12 plants , after the 60 days for sour60, harvest them and flip your light to 12/12... Lots of harvest that way and back to back harvests...any way you do it the choice is yours... i would just do that man, so you can still show s60 is the real deal

Whats your plan?

lol vegging a plant for 60 days in hydro is not the best idea did you see the size of my la blanca im the previous thread,

the plan is to stick with the blue venom and wait to see what new autos get relesed im the next 3 months ive seen some great strains in the works on another autoflowering website and im holding out for that chaze auto strain (cheese x haze)

ill probably be returning later in the year and back on with the autos but its all about the 12/12 strains at the minute and trying to recouperate my loses

hey mitch the 2 most important things when growing in hydro is a ph meter and an ec meter and if 1 of them is fuked then there is no hope for the grow, again you have to be a veteran grower to be able to distinguish between nute burn and under fed especially in the world of dro

you rely heavily on your ec meter to tell you what your plants want in terms of feed, if the ec goes up you decrese the feed and if it goes down you increase the feed and if you ec meter is knackered then your going nowhere fast

 

[20/4]

I guess ill have to start more sour60 soon then, someone has to show it off since its so beautiful, im looking forward to your Blue venom grow though, link me to it when you get it going...

 

[skotty]

I guess ill have to start more sour60 soon then, someone has to show it off since its so beautiful, im looking forward to your Blue venom grow though, link me to it when you get it going...

yeah get on it you seem to have your auto grows on lock down

ive been bitten with the bigger plant bigger yield syndrome i didnt think it would happen but it has and its all maxis fault, after seeing what can be achieved and the beauty that cannabis plants have i just want more of the same, its amazing how 1 plant can change your whole perspective on growing, if i can pull something like that with an auto then i cant wait to see what i can achieve with regular strains, its like starting a new adventure all over again

its gonna be nice switching between autos and 12/12 strains

 

[20/4]

yeah get on it you seem to have your auto grows on lock down

ive been bitten with the bigger plant bigger yield syndrome i didnt think it would happen but it has and its all maxis fault, after seeing what can be achieved and the beauty that cannabis plants have i just want more of the same, its amazing how 1 plant can change your whole perspective on growing, if i can pull something like that with an auto then i cant wait to see what i can achieve with regular strains, its like starting a new adventure all over again

its gonna be nice switching between autos and 12/12 strains

You need to get another tent next to the one you have! Then your possabiltys are endless! Thanks for the kind words skotty, im really looking forward to see what that light can produce...

Ive got some Jack herrer X NYCD, Herijuana, and Wallyducks C99 pineapple pheno(best pheno, taste and potency for c99) F6s, All which i would love to run, i need more space!

 

[skotty]

unbelievable aint it .5 to .4 ec in less than 24 hours , ooooo how ive messed this 1 up

i will deffo grow this strain again and correct my wrongs, you can see how sturdy this plant is and that it has managed to survive on pratically no food what so ever for the past however many weeks

looking back if i had been dialled in from the start i would of raised the bar on this strain there is no doubt that she would of performed exceptionaly well in dwc

you can see in the last pic how the leaves look nute burn but in fact its under fed the biggest give away is the leaf tips curling up

it pays to check and stay on top of your equipment when growing in hydro as the wrong measurments can throw everythng out of sync im really really suprised that she has lasted this long without giving up the ghost, i think thats the beauty of cannabis how it just wants to grow and it takes a lot to stop it from happening

heres some pics of my plant

my baby blue venom

 

[skotty]

since having diagnosed my problem the sour 60's leaves have darkened up and she has started to show some life, i can only imagine what size her buds would of reached and the amount of trich coverage she would of had if things had of been done right the whole grow

she is currently on .6 ec of just flowering nute and ph 5.8 no other additives in her res

as for the smell, well she doesnt smell very fruity or berry like i can definatley not smell any blueberry but she does smell a bit earthy with a hint of spiceyness or incense thrown in, not what i had imagined her to be like be still a pleasant aroma


few pics of her progress