Haze

[dubi]

Thanks dubi for the pictures, description and fine appraisal of the C99 x Haze#4 from wolfman. Like CBF, we picked some up, but haven't seen or heard of any grown out until yours. It sounds like a winning combination and a bit shorter flowering than the 14 week estimate I seem to recall from the auction or other description.

Best,

bopper

Hello bopper! It's great to see you!

Wolfman's c99 haze can be flowering for 14 weeks perfectly. Like most sativas, the flowering time is a week or 2 shorter when flowered from clone and not from seed.
I hope you enjoy her! Wolfman's wouid be very happy to hear his work is still alive.

 

[dubi]

hello I'm not known on this forum normally on RM forums & AN forums
but i just joined to say how much i respect your knowledge about real pure haze 90% maybe more dont really know what pure haze is.
but i can tell you dubi really knows his stuff!! AND IS THE INFO IVE SEEN ON THE WEB SO FAR. in fact im telling you i knew about green haze before.
but i always thought purple was a cross. till i read your great post.
but before i could never understand how it could taste and smell the same.
i was lucky enough to get real pure haze from Rotterdam for 3 years so i really know green haze well .its a fave of us all .thats for sure
i can tell you this strain that has been growing PURE for hash in the highlands of SEA for almost spot on 30 years and it might be purple but its just the same taste and smell as green haze.spot on i hadnt smelled that since the dutch stopped coming over. some 13 years back
and she sure is pretty i really respect what your doing to preserve this strain a real labour of love .
your fast becoming my ganja super hero dubi! pls keep up the good work
amazing! thanks red,

PURE PURPLE HAZE!

Welcome to the forums hazelover!

Your words are very apreciated. The selections and reproductions done with haze the past year was the result of the hard work and coordination of different breeders from ACE Seeds and Cannabiogen.

Purple haze is not a haze cross. It's an expression of pure haze population, probably related to purple coumbian, but as you said, it's hard to know the original pedigree.

Both phenos smell almost identical but at the end of flowering you can find the differences. Sierran commented it with his great description in the past post. Purple haze aroma is grapier and darker(typical aroma of many purple varities), ashy with a liquorice background.
Green haze aroma is quite acrid. The fruity tones are not grapy, she smells like mature tropical fruit.

Beautiful purple haze shot! Is it yours?

Thanks a lot for the support! dubi

 

[dubi]

"it might be purple,but it's just the same taste and smell as the green haze"

I would disagree with ya HL...........having tended the Hazes in Boulder Creek (Santa Cruz Mtn's) 70's-early 80's both the green and the purp had similarities, but the purp was superior in taste.......kinda like a combo of grape flavored and black licorice coating your throat............just dry hittin' a spliff would satisfy the taste snobs.............

very special and prolly the best true sat ever had the pleasure of puttin' the torch to

adios amigos

Hi Sierran!

Your description of the purple haze aroma is truely accurate. I wish i have had the pleasure to enjoy haze at late 70s in California.

Im glad you have joined the conversation. dubi

 

[hazelover]

hi again.
really interested to read your comments! maybe the taste was the same as the green cause of the fact that this haze wasn't totally finished due to a typhoon coming so we had to finish her her of early.
that's why the leafs look a bit pale after all the rain.
thats why this one wasn't grade A but still really strong and tasty
no body what so ever. all in the head and eyes.
i would describe the taste as like a rich sweet&sour pine taste .but describing it is hard to put into words . one things for sure its certainly like no other non pure haze strain around.
yes dubi! its mine and a friends called K but the real hero's are the tribe that kept going pure so long .
i aim to reward them thus giving them a real reason to keep going.
the governments got helicopters now and that could change things as its the remoteness that has helped keep them pure and going.
although they dint do so much work on these its mostly self seeding packing a hill side. i think that's why the germ rates are so good also.
my aim is to market these seeds as we can get many and bring pure haze to masses who are interested[and many are.] . for a fair price.
its a shame so many cannot try haze cause it is mostly protected strain by those who have it. keeping haze hidden from many. hence all the rubbish you hear about haze on the net.
the pics are of the new ones coming up now in our small seedless garden. they grow very compact for outdoor haze. great to for indoor grows.
that i think is manly cause they have been selected over the years for making hash. although i have seen them very big outside. and leaf content is so low its crazy i only had a hand full, doing 2 3ft plants.
the purple comes a bit later but already you get that sweet pine taste really strong. its amazing.
almost always all start of with 3 fingers later some have 6-7 and then in the final flower it often reverts back 3 again.
i heard this was the s.Indian influence?

 

[Guest]

I have seen that pic of purple haze before. Good to see you over here Red.

 

[dubi]

hi again.
really interested to read your comments! maybe the taste was the same as the green cause of the fact that this haze wasn't totally finished due to a typhoon coming so we had to finish her her of early.
that's why the leafs look a bit pale after all the rain.
thats why this one wasn't grade A but still really strong and tasty
no body what so ever. all in the head and eyes.
i would describe the taste as like a rich sweet&sour pine taste .but describing it is hard to put into words . one things for sure its certainly like no other non pure haze strain around.
yes dubi! its mine and a friends called K but the real hero's are the tribe that kept going pure so long .
i aim to reward them thus giving them a real reason to keep going.
the governments got helicopters now and that could change things as its the remoteness that has helped keep them pure and going.
although they dint do so much work on these its mostly self seeding packing a hill side. i think that's why the germ rates are so good also.
my aim is to market these seeds as we can get many and bring pure haze to masses who are interested[and many are.] . for a fair price.
its a shame so many cannot try haze cause it is mostly protected strain by those who have it. keeping haze hidden from many. hence all the rubbish you hear about haze on the net.
the pics are of the new ones coming up now in our small seedless garden. they grow very compact for outdoor haze. great to for indoor grows.
that i think is manly cause they have been selected over the years for making hash. although i have seen them very big outside. and leaf content is so low its crazy i only had a hand full, doing 2 3ft plants.
the purple comes a bit later but already you get that sweet pine taste really strong. its amazing.
almost always all start of with 3 fingers later some have 6-7 and then in the final flower it often reverts back 3 again.
i heard this was the s.Indian influence?

Probably the purple haze pheno has a more exotic bouquet than the green one, which smells more like a south asian (more familiar aromas). Smells, aromas ... are always subjective. The best haze pheno is a personal preference.

Haze has a better flower/leaf ratio than a pure thai, nam or columbian and is hermie free.

Im very interested to hear more about the origins of your haze line. It sure looks like an extreme tropical plant with purple columbian influence. I desire you the best for your haze project. It's very important to save the maxium genetic diversity and all the different haze populations.

Thanks for join the thread! dubi

 

[Guest]

"hermi free".......interesting pt. dubi.....and my thoughts as well if any SEAsian was involved you would think the herm trait would show itself more readily.....which is contrary to some belief in orgin...........

with all thats been digested the Colom/Indian theory seems to fit fairly well........

and that is quite the looker hl......... and looks like a SOG dream ..........

 

[dubi]

Yes Sierran,

some SE Asian populations are famous for their hermie tendencies but they are not more hermie than other wild landraces from other parts of the world.

Hermie free population are mostly related with modern cannabis selection, where the hard and long man selection has eradicated this positive advantage of cannabis reproduction.

Even very domesticated genepools like original afghani indicas have hermie tendencies. It's the task of the breeder avoid hermie traits when breeding a commercial or indoor strain.

The myth that it's impossible (or very complicated) to breed with SE asian populations is a nonsense to me. At least, no more complicated than breeding with tropical sativas from other part of the world.

For example, Dalat vietnam is an hermie highland vietnamese but i have worked with other SE asians like Thai Koh Chang, Meao thai, Nah Trang Vietnamese and they were not hermie.

 

[Guest]

would this tend to follow the fact that many within the Indian culture have cultivated the herb for it's flower for generations without the intention of sieving for hash and have thus selected for herm free and higher potency plants...? cause even when we inbred the Haze yr's back it was relatively herm free......
...the herm trait is one of survival so goes to say would equal wild landrace.......
also have you seen potency difference between true females of different lines with less/more herm percentages.....?

thanks for your knowledge/time dubi........always a pleasure
Sierran

 

[dubi]

Totally agree Sierran,

Some of the finest sativas come from South India (Kerala) and Thailand mountains. Suposedly haze is very influenced by south indian, thai and purple columbian genetics.

My humble opinion is that there's no connection between potency and hermaphroditism, they are not genetically connected or expressed by the same group of genes.

The condition of being powerful ganja or hermie free are independant.

I have friends that believe that when a tropical sativa losts the hermie expression in the population then also losts the fire or high potency. Im not agree with this one.

A reduction of the potency in a landrace line compared with the original parents is mainly caused by bad parental selections or use of small populations.

It's a pleasure talk with you Sierran. I hope you enjoy Xmas time with family and friends! dubi

 

[hazelover]

heres some more of the purple haze starting with the bigger ones which have no more than 8-9 weeks growing in full only really flowering properly for 6 weeks.
some seeds are differant but its more how much root room and sun that decide size.
the last one is our small one turning purple all have a lovely super sweet pine smell now red

 

[hazelover]

rodias indoor grow taken about 10 days after getting the seed wet, thx for your pm
dubi im sorry i dont reply yet just been busy. very soon. red

 

[Guest]

great shots HL.........looks to be in a excellent enviro as well...........

enjoy...!

Sierran

 

[dubi]

Good news!

Good news!

Good day all!

We have been talking with Oldtimer (breeder who preserved the pure haze genetics for years) and Wolfman (breeder who did last reproduction before us). They have agreed that we distribute Oldtimer's haze.

Many people has been asking us with lot of interest about Oldtimer's hazes. As preservationists, we havent got any interest to keep only for us the line in pure form. The genetics are very important and must be preserved in pure form in many places as possible.

She's an original and pure haze population which has never been crossed with indica or other genetics. It's old school columbian/thai weed from the 70s . Only pure sativas were available before the arrival of the indicas.A true trip to the past.

She's not a dutch haze or a haze skunk cross. She has been reproduced in pure form for decades using both (purple and green) phenos.

Oldtimer did thousands of haze seeds in the 90s and he distributed pure haze seeds between many growers around the world. But noone had the decency to reproduce them or at least give any feedback.

His haze line was close to disapear but Wolfman did a reproduction and gave us 40 seeds 2 years ago. We have been working with them hardly dedicating lot of energies and resources to maintain many parents as posible and reproduce the genetics in pure form.

As i commented in the first post, the main goal was to keep alive the line and return seeds to Oldtimer and Wofman. We produced some seeds past year and seeds were given in return to Oldtimer, wolfman and a third person.

Past year, the haze parentals were grown in different locations by different breeders and growers.

They have been grown all together this year to analyse better traits and quality between parents.

They are flowering in a mediterranean coastal climate, with very similar conditions to California weather, where haze born.

Small/medium haze parents clones in small pots were moved outdoors in september/october. It's the time to harvest indicas and fast flowering plants so hazes had more space and cares to grow in the garden.

They are very very slow flowering plants. They start to flower in October, 1 mounth later than auttumn equinox in september (12/12 photoperiod). They were re potted to bigger pots in November when they stopped a little to stretch.

Temps are real good in October/November ( between 15ºC-30ºC) but we had 2-3 weeks of cloudy days and intense rains, so typical at the start of the autumn here. Plants grew and grew without much signs of serious flowering.

December nights are quite cold (sometimes close to 5ºC) but we had many sunny weeks in December.Sun is intense and hot even in winter here. Hazes started to react forming colas.

January was also very sunny and plants keep flowering nicely. Low temps of the nights produced the first beautiful red/purple colours in some haze parents.

Last week of January we had a terrible cold storm with freezing temps, snow only 4-5 kms from the coast, hail, tons of water etc ...

They are very cold and mold resistant plants but stems can easily break under strong storms. Some stems broke but although we are still with rains, temps are higher and plants are resisting. A greenhouse would be perfect to finish them here. We will try it next year!

 

[Guest]

this has got my sat morning off to a fine start ! best off luck with the project dubi . looking forward to growing these on the south spanish coast oneday!
peace...........sr

 

[dubi]

Haze 3 purple/green female

Haze 3 purple/green female

Il try to explain a little bit the differences between the haze phenos showing pics of the different parents.

The most commoun pheno in the population is the purple/green. Purple/green plants tend to grow taller with a lankier structure than her sisters, specially in the flowering. They start the flowering with green light colours but the finish with beautiful red, purple and green colours at the end of maturation and low temps. The aroma is initially sweet and dark like wild red grapes, with a good red wine background and earthy, woody details. Haze parents with classic haze incense aroma came from this pheno.

Purple/green plants can be flowering for 4.5-6 mounths.

Here's the tall and lanky purple/green haze 3 female flowering in January from clone.



here starting to flower and forming colas ...








a little bit more advanced



maturing in January ...

 

[hazelover]

hey that really is ace news dubi finally people can get the real thing not the bull i keep seeing everywere sold as real haze.
can you explain dubi what main differances on your Orginal haze. and the pure lime green haze i was getting from rotterdam for years in the 90s. that stuff really blow our minds.
your right it will love spain. well done yet again. and dont tell me about steams breaking after a typhoon knocked down 3 big purple haze plants we had before dam. red

 

[dubi]

Purple female 4

Purple female 4

Purple haze pheno grows with better structure than purple/green plants.

Purple haze grow bushy with medium nodes. It's usually one of the fastest haze expressions finishing in aprox 4 mounths. It finished with incredible purple/red translucid colours. The aroma is a little bit on the purple side than purple/green pheno, the grape and wine details are more intense.

Purple haze 4 finished




here passing mid flowering and starting to get beautiful colours












here maturing in january









purple haze 4 details



I hope you enjoy pachecos! This pics are dedicated with love to my bro tofu. A true rasta man and cannabis lover who is now in the hospital suffering a pulmonar operation. I hope all the good vibes this pics can generate will go to him! Te quiero tio! dubi

 

[Limeygreen]

Excellent news Dubi!
I hope your brother has a speedy recovery.

 

[Guest]

inspirational plants you have there dubi.