Haze males from old GHS lines

[Spaventa]

Please Let’s see some current pics of what they all look like, males & females to see overall plant structure & closeups of each to see quality; if you’re really expecting to sling F2’s from older seed off only a handful of plants more details I’m certain would be welcomed & expected

Cheers

This run is an aeroponic scrog in a tent that has been topped (not photogenic) to evaluate terpenes and cannabinoids. Those factors and being free of any hermie trait, are ALL I care about at this first stage.
Nothing else even matters if those aren’t right.
The next runs will be in an open room, one plant per pot, no topping so we get a Christmas tree each I can walk around. That’s when I’ll show pics because that run will be the seed run.

None of that will happen if the originals don’t deliver the high, taste and smell.

 

[mr.brunch]

Top stuff mate.
Nice to see someone breeding for a personal goal rather than because the names mash together conveniently

All the best

 

[Spaventa]

Top stuff mate.
Nice to see someone breeding for a personal goal rather than because the names mash together conveniently

All the best

That’s it exactly. My goal is even bigger than you imagine. I’m trying to start a Haze hybrid revival.
Neville’s is one of the plants that could do that.
I want my local guys to txt me they got Pre98 Kali Mist in, rather than another gelato/skittlez/cake thing. I’m done with fruit and chem/fuel and foggy head. I want clarity when I’m high, church in the air and aroma I can’t even describe.

 

[mr.brunch]

That’s it exactly. My goal is even bigger than you imagine. I’m trying to start a Haze hybrid revival.
Neville’s is one of the plants that could do that.
I want my local guys to txt me they got Pre98 Kali Mist in, rather than another gelato/skittlez/cake thing. I’m done with fruit and chem/fuel and foggy head. I want clarity when I’m high, church in the air and aroma I can’t even describe.

When I do have to see my guy, (as I am for the next few weeks) he knows I’ll only really want his amnesia or ssh - I can’t be doing with extra loud dessert smells with a lack in power, or totally muddy high.
Stinks the street out for not much benefit in my opinion

 

[led05]

This run is an aeroponic scrog in a tentthats been topped (not photogenic) to evaluate terpenes and cannabinoids. Those factors and being free of any hermie trait, are ALL I care about at this first stage.
Nothing else even matters if those aren’t right.
The next runs will be in an open room, one plant per pot, no topping so we get a Christmas tree each I can walk around. That’s when I’ll show pics because that run will be the seed run.

None of that will happen if the originals don’t deliver the high, taste and smell.

When you select on plants (especially in such a small number) it helps immensely to grow them to their max phenotype expressions in order to properly select on them, regardless of what you’re selecting for.

It looks like your seed run is gonna be with F2’s as you received them from whatever filial generation they were then; and you’ll actually be offering up F3’s then if you find any worthy, is that correct…?

Peace & thanks for your quick reply

 

[Spaventa]

When you select on plants (especially in such a small number) it helps immensely to grow them to their max phenotype expressions in order to properly select on them, regardless of what you’re selecting for.

It looks like your seed run is gonna be with F2’s as you received them from whatever filial generation they were then; and you’ll actually be offering up F3’s then if you find any worthy, is that correct…?

Peace & thanks for your quick reply

No. Mine are F1 from old original GHS regular packs. I’m flowering clones of them currently. The seed I propose to make would be F2.

This is not a selection. 7 out of 10 of the very old seeds germinated. Im making and offering every F2 possible from 6 of them. I only eliminated a very late flowering male that lacked smell. My impressions after 8 weeks 12/12.

1. Fast flowering male, strong leather/musk smell.
2.Fast flowering male, strong smell, more pine
3.Late flowering male, no smell to speak of (eliminated).
4. Fast flowering vigorous female, musky, herbal smells
5.Fast flowering sparse female, musky, sweet
6. Long flowering sparse female, piney
7. Long flowering vigorous vine like female, musk, herbal.

 

[led05]

No. Mine are F1 from old original GHS regular packs. I’m flowering clones of them currently. The seed I propose to make would be F2.

This is not a selection. 7 out of 10 of the very old seeds germinated. Im making and offering every F2 possible from 6 of them. I only eliminated a very late flowering male that lacked smell. My impressions after 8 weeks 12/12.

1. Fast flowering male, strong leather/musk smell.
2.Fast flowering male, strong smell, more pine
3.Late flowering male, no smell to speak of (eliminated).
4. Fast flowering vigorous female, musky, herbal smells
5.Fast flowering sparse female, musky, sweet
6. Long flowering sparse female, piney
7. Long flowering vigorous vine like female, musk, herbal.

update. Mid flower. One late flowering, low odour male has been elimated/killed.
The 2 remaining males are loud and fast so the seed fathers remain in the mother room.
The 4 girls are 2 fast flowering and 2 long flowering. One of the fast flowering smells different than the other. Fruity vs Herbal. Both have loud musk, leather.

My thinking is to sell F2s here as a vendor.
I would methodically pollinate each girl with each male so buyers can choose which parents (fast flowing females only for example) or buy all 8 combinations.
I won’t ask the earth for them. Cover costs and make the genetics available is all really.

This run is an aeroponic scrog in a tent that has been topped (not photogenic) to evaluate terpenes and cannabinoids. Those factors and being free of any hermie trait, are ALL I care about at this first stage.
Nothing else even matters if those aren’t right.
The next runs will be in an open room, one plant per pot, no topping so we get a Christmas tree each I can walk around. That’s when I’ll show pics because that run will be the seed run.

None of that will happen if the originals don’t deliver the high, taste and smell.

See above bolded; it's where my confusion originates. Your growing NH "F1" now from GHS, then you're subsequently going to do another run (if things are worthy) which will be your seed run, that run you will be growing F2's and the seeds made will be F3's, what am I missing? Unless I misunderstood your posts above but it seems clear to me?

Obviously GHS in mid 2000's their NH was not a true NHz F1; that's moot though IMO and is why I'm interested in your project as I know for fact in mid 2000's GHS actually had the fire, and that's all that matters and again why I'm interested. I appreciate your focus and that your searching for something specific you crave, that's exactly what we all should be doing I'm just trying to understand better exactly what you've got and are doing.

I grew out nearly the entire Haze hybrid selections from GH's mid 2000's and saw commonality across many of them and those lucky enough to grow out the 2007/08 SLH know it was special and also know that only a year later was totally gone. I also know from my experience that many of those hazes had a ton of commonality, so baring anyone having packs of SLH from 2007/08 a Nhz pack from that time from GHS to me is next best....

So to be clear I'm not here questioning you in a negative way but simply trying to understand more what you may actually have and what is occurring.

PS: I'm surprised you're getting that much pine in Nhz, that's interesting for sure...

Thanks

 

[Spaventa]

Why does the F1 father plants (gen zero/from seed) being in the 24/0 mother room (along with the F1 mother plants (gen zero/seed) add up to me making F3?
I’m cant do the mental gymnastics so I’ll try clarify again.

1. I grew seeds.
2. I cloned the plants
3. I’m flowering the clones in a tent scrog
4. I told you I would flower another batch (of clones from the same F1 mothers and fathers) in pots in a room with no topping if this first batch have decent terps and cannabinoids and no hermie trait
5. I will make F2 from the more clones of the F1 mothers snd fathers if people want.

Im pretty sure all regular NH from GHS came from ONE seed production run. The Dutch make many tens of thousands when they do a run because they plan to never do another. Think about it. You don’t want to worry about losing the strain overnight if you lose the parents in a raid as many Dutch breeders have, over plant numbers. There are no “seed numbers” they can’t exceed. They get kept in a fridge and last decades no problem. Wasn’t a very popular choice with growers either so packs have been lurking in retailers fridges for years.
A friend of mine saw behind the scenes in Holland many years ago and described many black refuge sacks full of seed.
Not only does NH yield low and take twice as long to flower as other strains, it was one of the higher prices strains in the GHS collection.

Anyway, GHS didn’t have the parent plants to do any further runs after Neville left.
Shanti confirmed this. Therefore, only the original run went into GHS regular seed clock packs. The fems… different Arjan/Franco bullshit story

 

[@hempy]

All the Nevils Haze /SSH sold by GHS pre-2001, was bred away from GHS by Nevil and being sold to GHS on consignment by Nevil until they ran out of seed. Anyone that was at Cannabis World would remember GHS had no seed to sell until Aryan hired Franco, and they then got seed made by Shanti threw Mr Haze and some time later had seed to sell again.

If you bought seed from GHS when Shanti still owned 50% and Nevil was still a partner of the Greenhouse coffee shop, then they were F1s.

 

[Spaventa]

As LED05 said, we know NH was grail mid 2000s. I grew a pack bought in 2006, in 2008 and it what I’ve been searching for ever since.

I know I mentioned some individual variation between the 7 plants but I was getting picky. They are essentially 2 male phenos and 2 female phenos, in both cases one taller, long flowering and one shorter, faster flowering, just as the 2006 seeds. The smells are exactly what I remember, the differences subtle and about degrees not chalk and cheese. They all smell leathery, musky, some a little, some a lot. That’s consistent. I’m hopeful.

 

[@hempy]

The first Nevils Haze seed was made in 1997 by Nevil him self, that was what GHS sold up until they ran out 2000/2001 but the NH being sold through Mr Nice seed in the yellow packs that ran out around 2003 were also made by Nevil the same seed batch that were made in 97.

Then after that Shanti reproduced the NH as he alone had the clones to reproduce the same seed and after the yellow packs came the blue packs. Shanti had posted this in his forum at CW.

This information came directly from both Nevil and Shanti.

I started with the 97 seed and am now at F3s.

 

[Spaventa]

Ultimately, I don’t now how old the seeds are because the shop didn’t know when they were bought in from GHS. It remains a mystery but the 2 obvious phenos looks F1 and so does the vigour.

Maybe we can work out when these are from by the packs? No date but they are 5 packs incase that narrows it IDK.
The other thing is it says 30 times cannabis cup winners. When does could that have been their cup tally?
Also, the cannabinoid numbers… did they change any from what on mine?

 

[mr.brunch]

Trust your instincts man.

All I know is that the stories about breeders (Ghs, sensi, serious, etc.) losing strains/parents or not having “the real deal” come directly from MNS forum.
Make of that what you will

 

[Spaventa]

So I think they are from before Feminized GHS NH because they don’t t say “regular” or have the gender symbols they adopted when the made the fems.
They are also pre barcode and scan code thing on the back.. or the scratch card strip to win something, they have none of these . When did these things get added to the packaging?

 

[Spaventa]

Trust your instincts man.

All I know is that the stories about breeders (Ghs, sensi, serious, etc.) losing strains/parents or not having “the real deal” come directly from MNS forum.
Make of that what you will

Well my man has me wondering now. I have nothing to hide cos I’m not trying to deceive anyone. If these are some crap fucking Franco made, I’m not calling them Neville’s Haze!
Thst said, if it’s fire, I’ll call it Francos Haze with pride!
Honestly, at 8 weeks I can see and smell they are far from crap.
I’m a paranoid kinda guy anyway lol

 

[mr.brunch]

Well my man has me wondering now. I have nothing to hide cos I’m not trying to deceive anyone. If these are some crap fucking Franco made, I’m not calling them Neville’s Haze!
Thst said, if it’s fire, I’ll call it Francos Haze with pride!
Honestly, at 8 weeks I can see and smell they are far from crap.
I’m a paranoid kinda guy anyway lol

They also say at mns to let the plants speak for themselves.
Imo if they’re what you seek it doesn’t really matter.

 

[Spaventa]

They also say at mns to let the plants speak for themselves.
Imo if they’re what you seek it doesn’t really matter.

That’s the truth. All that matters is how they turn out, It won’t matter why

 

[Hoss_Beardman]

When did they start testing for THC, CBD and CBN at GHS? I don't recall seeing people test for THC regularly until 2014 in the US.

 

[mr.brunch]

When did they start testing for THC, CBD and CBN at GHS? I don't recall seeing people test for THC regularly until 2014 in the US.

I bought cheese and Himalayan gold at their coffeeshop in 2007 and they had them on then

 

[Maria Sanchez]

Ultimately, I don’t now how old the seeds are because the shop didn’t know when they were bought in from GHS. It remains a mystery but the 2 obvious phenos looks F1 and so does the vigour.

Maybe we can work out when these are from by the packs? No date but they are 5 packs incase that narrows it IDK.
The other thing is it says 30 times cannabis cup winners. When does could that have been their cup tally?
Also, the cannabinoid numbers… did they change any from what on mine?

Great you've got the packs and info!

About '30 times cannabis cup winners' on the GHS site here
if you count up from the bottom / earliest, then 30 would be
'1998 HTCC 2 nd for "El Niño"'
but there's more for 1998, so why would they put this, rather than a total of 36 after 1998?
Maybe 30 just a round number?
If it's just 'first place' for cups then it would be
'2006 Spannabis Barcelona 2006 1 st place for "Best Stand"'
not just HTCC.

I think GHS started selling fem seeds in 2008.

Hope this helps in some way.