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Have you looked at the North Pole lately?
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https://climate.nasa.gov/blog/2949/why-milankovitch-cycles-cant-explain-earths-current-warming/
Here's a great explanation from NASA about Milankovitch cycles and why they can't explain Earth's current warming trend. Changes in the Earth's orbital shape and axial tilt occur over thousands of years increasing or reducing the amount of solar radiation we receive. This can lead to ice ages or the end of ice ages. Check out the above link...it's really easy to understand.
Here's a great explanation from NASA about Milankovitch cycles and why they can't explain Earth's current warming trend. Changes in the Earth's orbital shape and axial tilt occur over thousands of years increasing or reducing the amount of solar radiation we receive. This can lead to ice ages or the end of ice ages. Check out the above link...it's really easy to understand.
CarolinGuy
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Got a friend whose father is a nuclear engineer for NASA. He tells me to be very careful about what you believe in this world. That's all he said but the way he said it along with his look spoke volumes. Interesting man.
kickarse
Active member
its been the coldest summer for 60 years here
but they still tell us it was the 4th hottest on record
Everyone knows its bullshit, people have been using heaters not air-cons
but i suppose as long as the "future" voters believe the crap, that's all that really matters to the stnuc running the shit show
what a fucking joke @ BOM & NASA
but they still tell us it was the 4th hottest on record
Everyone knows its bullshit, people have been using heaters not air-cons
but i suppose as long as the "future" voters believe the crap, that's all that really matters to the stnuc running the shit show
what a fucking joke @ BOM & NASA
More of the effects of increased CO2 in the atmosphere
More of the effects of increased CO2 in the atmosphere
A new report finds that Dungeness crab shells are dissolving as a result of ocean acidification, which is a direct consequence of climate change. According to experts, this could have a devastating impact on the fisheries industry in British Columbia, where Dungeness crabs are a huge resource.
The study by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), finds that the crab’s shell is vulnerable to being broken down as a result of ocean acidification, which is the reduction of ph of the water, when it absorbs the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. While this is a natural process, the burning of fossil fuels has increased the amount of carbon in the atmosphere, and in turn, the water.
Increased carbon in the atmosphere also triggers a series of chemical reactions that ultimately leads to the reduced abundance of carbonate ions, which are important building blocks for species that rely on calcium carbonate for skeletal growth like crabs, clams, mussels, sea urchins and some planktons and corals.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0048969720301200
More of the effects of increased CO2 in the atmosphere
A new report finds that Dungeness crab shells are dissolving as a result of ocean acidification, which is a direct consequence of climate change. According to experts, this could have a devastating impact on the fisheries industry in British Columbia, where Dungeness crabs are a huge resource.
The study by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), finds that the crab’s shell is vulnerable to being broken down as a result of ocean acidification, which is the reduction of ph of the water, when it absorbs the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. While this is a natural process, the burning of fossil fuels has increased the amount of carbon in the atmosphere, and in turn, the water.
Increased carbon in the atmosphere also triggers a series of chemical reactions that ultimately leads to the reduced abundance of carbonate ions, which are important building blocks for species that rely on calcium carbonate for skeletal growth like crabs, clams, mussels, sea urchins and some planktons and corals.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0048969720301200
St. Phatty
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Sort of like when we spray Safer's on spider mites. it is not pleasant for the spider mites.
reminds me of this episode from Robocop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FftEeQmuDWM
kickarse, it warms my heart to see you post an image from the NSIDC
this thread has not been in vain
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moose eater
We in the Interior of Alaska are now being informed that this is/has been "one of the coldest winters in the last 44 years."
HOWEVER... they specifically referenced WINTER, not the YEAR, and in their announcement, acknowledged that 40+ years ago, this "would've been regarded as a typical winter."
And again, there was no sign of the more traditional -50 f. to -65 f. (or colder) in our immediate area.
So.... we've had a colder winter (relative to the past 20-30 warmer winters), we're warming over time, overall, and... the 2 extended cold snaps we endured (7 weeks and now close to 3 weeks) have been a BITCH.
HOWEVER... they specifically referenced WINTER, not the YEAR, and in their announcement, acknowledged that 40+ years ago, this "would've been regarded as a typical winter."
And again, there was no sign of the more traditional -50 f. to -65 f. (or colder) in our immediate area.
So.... we've had a colder winter (relative to the past 20-30 warmer winters), we're warming over time, overall, and... the 2 extended cold snaps we endured (7 weeks and now close to 3 weeks) have been a BITCH.
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Capra ibex
I knew it would be that scene
I like how he looks like a milkshake when he splats on the windshield.... as if his insides were liquefied but he could still walk
kickarse
Active member
Righto, it seems Co2 now makes winters as cold as there were 40 years ago
pretty sure 40 years ago they were talking about the up coming "ice age"
Go back another 40-60 years and it was warm, they were talking about everything warming up.
If you go back far enough(180yrs) you will find yourself in the "little ice age" and thank fuck its warmed up since then, lets hope we don't go back to being that cold anytime soon, it could happen, we have the weakest solar activity for centuries atm
Co2 is amazing stuff hey, its got fuck all to do with the weather/climate tho
pretty sure 40 years ago they were talking about the up coming "ice age"
Go back another 40-60 years and it was warm, they were talking about everything warming up.
If you go back far enough(180yrs) you will find yourself in the "little ice age" and thank fuck its warmed up since then, lets hope we don't go back to being that cold anytime soon, it could happen, we have the weakest solar activity for centuries atm
Co2 is amazing stuff hey, its got fuck all to do with the weather/climate tho
And methane is great too.
Do you work for an oil company?
Do you work for an oil company?
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moose eater
Here ya' go, Kickarse.
https://www.newsminer.com/news/loca...cle_8af90a3c-5e40-11ea-9bcf-4f895a699fd6.html
My point in the anecdotes, today, as well as the other day, referencing numerous decades (I've been here well over 40 years, and the Yukon Territory of Canada before Alaska), was that the issue cannot be effectively defined in regional, narrow, or simplistic terms.
Note the reference in the article to the rest of the globe. Then observe others' anecdotes in the comments at the bottom of the article, re. specific limited areas, as well; Africa, Australia, Siberia, etc.
Alaska and the Interior is a relatively small piece of the Earth, despite it being ~2.5 times the size of Texas. It's still only one 'area,' doesn't define a global trend, has explanations for every fluke of a weather-year, and has what I regard as about 9 sub-climates.
Edit: Also, "as cold as it was 40 years ago" is not entirely accurate, nor what I wrote in paraphrasing the source. We (no longer/extremely rarely) see -50 to -65, (as stated several times) (or, as the extreme went in 1989/90, at my old cabin on the river, -74, unofficially). The reference to 'as cold as' was specifically regarding the average temps, a circumstance which was achieved by staying below temperature 'x' long enough to affect the average, despite never getting truly COLD, in the more traditional sense..
I understand what you're saying about the broad view, i.e.. the "180 years" reference.
As another poster wrote weeks ago, mercury and glass thermometers have been used for a LONG time now. Calibration to the 1/10 of a degree f. was not likely what it is today, but they had good thermometers then. Even in the case of our Nenana Ice Classic (gambling via entering guesses as to when the Tanana River will go out in the Village of Nenana), the records for the break-up and related ice thickness, temps, etc., go back over 100 years.
Overall, we're warmer.
But it's all good. Despite my fading blood circulation, I got brand new long-john thermal underwear, of polypropylene and polypropylene wool blend; a new pair every 15-20 years, whether they need replaced or not.
https://www.newsminer.com/news/loca...cle_8af90a3c-5e40-11ea-9bcf-4f895a699fd6.html
My point in the anecdotes, today, as well as the other day, referencing numerous decades (I've been here well over 40 years, and the Yukon Territory of Canada before Alaska), was that the issue cannot be effectively defined in regional, narrow, or simplistic terms.
Note the reference in the article to the rest of the globe. Then observe others' anecdotes in the comments at the bottom of the article, re. specific limited areas, as well; Africa, Australia, Siberia, etc.
Alaska and the Interior is a relatively small piece of the Earth, despite it being ~2.5 times the size of Texas. It's still only one 'area,' doesn't define a global trend, has explanations for every fluke of a weather-year, and has what I regard as about 9 sub-climates.
Edit: Also, "as cold as it was 40 years ago" is not entirely accurate, nor what I wrote in paraphrasing the source. We (no longer/extremely rarely) see -50 to -65, (as stated several times) (or, as the extreme went in 1989/90, at my old cabin on the river, -74, unofficially). The reference to 'as cold as' was specifically regarding the average temps, a circumstance which was achieved by staying below temperature 'x' long enough to affect the average, despite never getting truly COLD, in the more traditional sense..
I understand what you're saying about the broad view, i.e.. the "180 years" reference.
As another poster wrote weeks ago, mercury and glass thermometers have been used for a LONG time now. Calibration to the 1/10 of a degree f. was not likely what it is today, but they had good thermometers then. Even in the case of our Nenana Ice Classic (gambling via entering guesses as to when the Tanana River will go out in the Village of Nenana), the records for the break-up and related ice thickness, temps, etc., go back over 100 years.
Overall, we're warmer.
But it's all good. Despite my fading blood circulation, I got brand new long-john thermal underwear, of polypropylene and polypropylene wool blend; a new pair every 15-20 years, whether they need replaced or not.
White Beard
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Yeah...a professional chemist writes a paper ‘debunking’ climate science: it gets 119,000 views...his papers on chemistry, OTOH, crickets.Original Research ARTICLE
Front. Earth Sci., 06 September 2019 | https://doi.org/10.3389/feart.2019.00223
Propagation of Error and the Reliability of Global Air Temperature Projections
[URL=https://www.icmag.com/ic/]View ImagePatrick Frank[/URL]*
[*]SLAC National Accelerator Laboratory, Stanford University, Menlo Park, CA, United States
you've been played...
This is the Dunning-Kruger Effect in action.
You’ve been played.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=969&v=ewJ6TI8ccAw&feature=emb_title
The In-depth Story Behind a Climate Fraud
The In-depth Story Behind a Climate Fraud
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hard rain
Youtube? It must be true.
Climate Change is Advancing Spring Onset across U.S. National Parks
Climate Change is Advancing Spring Onset across U.S. National Parks
Background
Parks across the U.S. National Park System are already experiencing climate change. Changes in phenology – the timing of seasonal biological events (e.g., leaf-out, flowering, migration, and reproduction) – constitute one of the most immediate and easily observed responses to climate change. Changes in phenology are important to park managers because the timing of many activities depends on the timing of these biological events. Management activities that need to be carefully timed include treating invasive species, operating visitor facilities, and scheduling seasonal events like flower and animal viewing. Studies have shown that most parks have already experienced warming that exceeds that experienced during the 20th century, but we don’t know how this may have affected the timing of flowering and other phenological events.
To evaluate changes in phenology, NPS evaluated the recent timing of spring onset (past 10-30 years) in 276 US natural resource parks relative to their historical ranges of variability (1901 – 2012). The study was a collaborative effort with the USGS, USA National Phenology Network, Cornell University, University of Arizona, Schoodic Institute, and the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee.
Spring is occurring earlier in parks
Spring has already advanced in three-quarters of the 276 parks examined, and half of the parks are experiencing an "extreme" early spring that exceeds 95% of historical conditions as measured by first leaf index and/or first bloom index from indicator plant species. No parks are experiencing extreme delays in spring onset. Managers in the "extreme" early parks have thus already been working under relatively anomalous conditions for the past 10-30 years.
https://www.nps.gov/subjects/climatechange/springonset.htm
Climate Change is Advancing Spring Onset across U.S. National Parks
Background
Parks across the U.S. National Park System are already experiencing climate change. Changes in phenology – the timing of seasonal biological events (e.g., leaf-out, flowering, migration, and reproduction) – constitute one of the most immediate and easily observed responses to climate change. Changes in phenology are important to park managers because the timing of many activities depends on the timing of these biological events. Management activities that need to be carefully timed include treating invasive species, operating visitor facilities, and scheduling seasonal events like flower and animal viewing. Studies have shown that most parks have already experienced warming that exceeds that experienced during the 20th century, but we don’t know how this may have affected the timing of flowering and other phenological events.
To evaluate changes in phenology, NPS evaluated the recent timing of spring onset (past 10-30 years) in 276 US natural resource parks relative to their historical ranges of variability (1901 – 2012). The study was a collaborative effort with the USGS, USA National Phenology Network, Cornell University, University of Arizona, Schoodic Institute, and the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee.
Spring is occurring earlier in parks
Spring has already advanced in three-quarters of the 276 parks examined, and half of the parks are experiencing an "extreme" early spring that exceeds 95% of historical conditions as measured by first leaf index and/or first bloom index from indicator plant species. No parks are experiencing extreme delays in spring onset. Managers in the "extreme" early parks have thus already been working under relatively anomalous conditions for the past 10-30 years.
https://www.nps.gov/subjects/climatechange/springonset.htm
kickarse
Active member
It gets funnier and funnier
The sea shell acid shit was good, but at a PH of over 7, the seawater is not acid, so the story was bullshit,
its just a could/maybe/might happen one day if bla bla bla happens storey
The trees flower here the same time they always have
Maybe "man made" "global warming" is only happening in a few select places ?
Nothing to worry about anyway, it might be getting less cold in places, but if its below zero its not warming up is it @ M.M.C.C/G.W believers
The sea shell acid shit was good, but at a PH of over 7, the seawater is not acid, so the story was bullshit,
its just a could/maybe/might happen one day if bla bla bla happens storey
The trees flower here the same time they always have
Maybe "man made" "global warming" is only happening in a few select places ?
Nothing to worry about anyway, it might be getting less cold in places, but if its below zero its not warming up is it @ M.M.C.C/G.W believers
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moose eater
Yeah, 'cause there's no way that -30 or -40 f. could be warmer than -55 f., right?
Oh... wait a minute....
Oh... wait a minute....
