Have you looked at the North Pole lately?

[trichrider]

Yeah, I see how that works: you living 40 years in a desert that hasn’t changed waves away my living nearly 70 in a region a couple thousand miles away that *has* changed.

What kind of conservative white-boy magic *IS* that?

Why the chip on your shoulder? “Disingenuous” implies I’m trying to deceive you, and I’m not trying to deceive anyone or misrepresent anything. I don’t think your experience says anything about mine.

And polar vortex disruption? Say hello to my little friend, the Equinox: south is about to lose winter and get summer, north will hopefully get some cold weather. The opposite happened six months ago and will happen again in another six. Polar vortex over the COLD POLE.

Been happening a long ol’ time, but whatever.....

if you're not being deceptive about it, then provide the statistics from your local weather stations records that show that change. i provide links and attributes for my claims so as not to be subjective, i think you should be held to the same standard.


that kind of white boy conservative magik.


i also have lived through several droughts but don't distinguish them as climate change, and the 40 years in the desert was just that.

i have lived in three different 'climate zones' and but for the last one, nothing has changed. hot in the summer, cold in winter. i haven't lived in my present location to even know what the climate be like.



you forget (or ignore) that i've been on about the obliquity and precession of orbit and it's effect on climate as well as weather...and not just that but the effects from the real reason the climate changes...solar electrohyrdrodynamic influence on every metric, from ocean and wind currents, water vapor distribution, to cognitive degeneration caused by galactic and solar cosmic rays ability to access lower atmosphere/troposphere, to how hot the desert gets. ad nauseum.



i haven't 'denied' climate changes, i just deny climate change or 'global warming' is caused by CO2.


you can besmirch me all you want and it will in the end be just another subjective assertion by a willingly uninformed water boy for the progressive cause.


why the chip on your shoulder? does what i post offend? for 70 yrs aged is your skin that thin? do you need a hug?

and i think my experience does say alot about yours.


post some science and get over my personality however damaged you assess it.

 

[trichrider]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-pvJ00E8ZE


[YOUTUBEIF]m-pvJ00E8ZE[/YOUTUBEIF]


https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/09/17/breitbarts-jerome-hudson-on-fox-friends/


“The environmental protection agency reports that carbon emissions from energy use from the U.S. are the lowest since 1992,” Jerome Hudson said.


https://summit.news/2019/09/18/just-38-of-americans-believe-in-man-made-climate-change/

Despite relentless propagandizing about a global “consensus” on climate change, a new poll has found that just 38% of Americans believe in man-made global warming.

https://thenationalsentinel.com/201...-an-agenda-to-destroy-capitalism-and-america/

Never forget: The Left’s ‘climate change’ hoax is an agenda to destroy capitalism and America.

 

[kickarse]

Australia has had their first wildfires of the season - in March, sort of. (6 month difference).

Oregon had its first significant rain. No more fire season there.

Where?

We don't have "wild fires" we have "bush fires"
if ya talking about the fires in QLD in August/September
there is nothing unusual about it, its there fire season, its to wet in summer to have them

Australia is the land of droughts/fires and floods

nothing out of the ordinary happening here
its wet as fuck down south, and dry as fuck up north, that will flip around soon

 

[St. Phatty]

Where?

We don't have "wild fires" we have "bush fires"
if ya talking about the fires in QLD in August/September
there is nothing unusual about it, its there fire season, its to wet in summer to have them

Australia is the land of droughts/fires and floods

nothing out of the ordinary happening here
its wet as fuck down south, and dry as fuck up north, that will flip around soon

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019...catastrophic-fire-season-190919035100031.html

"Woronora, Australia - On a Sunday morning in the southern suburbs of Sydney the sun is shining. There's barely a smudge of cloud in the sky and it's warm. Some seven degrees warmer than usual for this time of year.

A few hundred kilometres further north on Australia's east coast, bushfires are raging out of control on the New South Wales-Queensland border region, but at the Woronora Rural Fire Service station, on the banks of the tranquil Woronora River, the mood is calm, and the barbeque is heating up."


The thing that caught my attention - it's not summer in Australia, or spring - it's still geographical winter.

I was surprised to hear they were having challenging fires, while they're still in winter.

But it's good to hear from the people who live there !

 

[kickarse]

This was the worst fire in Australia's history "black Thursday"
not the greatest loss of life, but a lot more people live in the bush now

1/4 of the state of Victoria was ablaze 12,000,000 million acres burnt
temps of 47c, no rain for months

not much as changed since then, was the same thing in 1934 "black Friday" 46 c
and the same in 2009 "black Saturday" 47c

http://chig.asn.au/the-devastating-black-thursday-bushfires-of-1851/

 

[Frosty Nuggets]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019...catastrophic-fire-season-190919035100031.html

"Woronora, Australia - On a Sunday morning in the southern suburbs of Sydney the sun is shining. There's barely a smudge of cloud in the sky and it's warm. Some seven degrees warmer than usual for this time of year.

A few hundred kilometres further north on Australia's east coast, bushfires are raging out of control on the New South Wales-Queensland border region, but at the Woronora Rural Fire Service station, on the banks of the tranquil Woronora River, the mood is calm, and the barbeque is heating up."


The thing that caught my attention - it's not summer in Australia, or spring - it's still geographical winter.

I was surprised to hear they were having challenging fires, while they're still in winter.

But it's good to hear from the people who live there !

It's spring here and has been since the start of September.

 

[moose eater]

NOAA's prediction for the U.S. (Lower-48 states, and Alaska); higher than average temps, right on through December.

https://www.adn.com/nation-world/20...EaKBowaqmIzQK3APQ-SboF-WDbxG8DYsGhM4pvZQbEEYQ

 

[subrob]

White Jesus won't let anything happen to his daddies creation. Stop worrying people. The LAST people you should listen to deciphering science are scientists

 

[White Beard]

if you're not being deceptive about it, then provide the statistics from your local weather stations records that show that change. i provide links and attributes for my claims so as not to be subjective, i think you should be held to the same standard.


that kind of white boy conservative magik.


i also have lived through several droughts but don't distinguish them as climate change, and the 40 years in the desert was just that.

i have lived in three different 'climate zones' and but for the last one, nothing has changed. hot in the summer, cold in winter. i haven't lived in my present location to even know what the climate be like.



you forget (or ignore) that i've been on about the obliquity and precession of orbit and it's effect on climate as well as weather...and not just that but the effects from the real reason the climate changes...solar electrohyrdrodynamic influence on every metric, from ocean and wind currents, water vapor distribution, to cognitive degeneration caused by galactic and solar cosmic rays ability to access lower atmosphere/troposphere, to how hot the desert gets. ad nauseum.



i haven't 'denied' climate changes, i just deny climate change or 'global warming' is caused by CO2.


you can besmirch me all you want and it will in the end be just another subjective assertion by a willingly uninformed water boy for the progressive cause.


why the chip on your shoulder? does what i post offend? for 70 yrs aged is your skin that thin? do you need a hug?

and i think my experience does say alot about yours.


post some science and get over my personality however damaged you assess it.

Thanks: I’ve been torn as to whether you’re really an asshole or not - I appreciate you clearing that up.

 

[trichrider]

non sequitur
admittedly, i am an asshole.
i am glad you got that figured out.
however, that has nothing to do with the science.


"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."

 

[TychoMonolyth]

non sequitur
admittedly, i am an asshole.
i am glad you got that figured out.
however, that has nothing to do with the science.

...

Please show me the science that supports your argument and I'll look at it. And not from a shoe salesman and amateur or hobby scientist.

 

[kickarse]

Maybe some science and physics might help, no algorithms needed

its another cold winter here, been almost 5 months of winter weather
11 c today, got the fire going, been thru twice as much firewood as usual


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfRBr7PEawY

 

[igrowone]

minimum called

minimum called

and we've arrived at the minimum(or near minimum)
2019 tied for 2nd lowest in the record
not a good year for arctic ice

from nsidc
Arctic sea ice reaches second lowest minimum in satellite record

September 23, 2019
On September 18, Arctic sea ice reached its likely minimum extent for 2019. The minimum ice extent was effectively tied for second lowest in the satellite record, along with 2007 and 2016, reinforcing the long-term downward trend in Arctic ice extent. Sea ice extent will now begin its seasonal increase through autumn and winter.
Please note that this is a preliminary announcement. Changing winds or late-season melt could still reduce the Arctic ice extent, as happened in 2005 and 2010. NSIDC scientists will release a full analysis of the Arctic melt season, and discuss the Antarctic winter sea ice growth, in early October.

 

[St. Phatty]

and we've arrived at the minimum(or near minimum)
2019 tied for 2nd lowest in the record
not a good year for arctic ice

Any chance somebody could summarize -

* square miles of above ground ice lost, from summer 1919 (or whenever) to summer 2019.

* average thickness of the ice, then and now. Easy to say but there must be a huge amount of data.

* time-frame - if you could make a chart of total volume (above ground) sea ice vs. time, there would be an annual fluctuation, with the seasons.

And then a long term trend, from LOTSA ice 100 years ago, to where we are now.


Or, another way to put it -

How big an Ice Cube are we talking about ?

 

[igrowone]

Any chance somebody could summarize -

* square miles of above ground ice lost, from summer 1919 (or whenever) to summer 2019.

* average thickness of the ice, then and now. Easy to say but there must be a huge amount of data.

* time-frame - if you could make a chart of total volume (above ground) sea ice vs. time, there would be an annual fluctuation, with the seasons.

And then a long term trend, from LOTSA ice 100 years ago, to where we are now.


Or, another way to put it -

How big an Ice Cube are we talking about ?

tackling the question on volume is the easiest
PIOMAS is recognized standard for icecap volume
link http://psc.apl.washington.edu/research/projects/arctic-sea-ice-volume-anomaly/

 

[St. Phatty]

This one graph sort of tells the story.

Looks like it dropped from 33 to 22, over the years 78 to 2018.

units being 1000 km cubic.

So it lost 11,000 cubic kilometers over 40 years, 275 cubic kilometers a year average.

That is a big ice cube.

 

[igrowone]

^^^ what he said

 

[moose eater]

But what will the hand-puppets for the Oligarchy in D.C. do when they can no longer airlift glacial ice for their $200,000 martini parties?

I suspect that is when we'll see them suddenly notice there's a reduction in glacial or other natural formations of ice.

 

[Gry]

But what will the hand-puppets for the Oligarchy in D.C. do when they can no longer airlift glacial ice for their $200,000 martini parties?

I suspect that is when we'll see them suddenly notice there's a reduction in glacial or other natural formations of ice.

They will figure out to filter tap water so the ice looks similar.
Then lie about doing so, as they raise the price outrageously.
As they comment about gullibility.

 

[TychoMonolyth]

Iceberg Vodka CEO baffled by bizarre heist of ancient water

The missing water could have made 150,000 bottles of vodka

In a theft fitting of the Oceans franchise, somebody has stolen 30,000 litres of iceberg water from a Canadian vodka company.

Iceberg Vodka is now saying it was the rightful owner of the glacial goodness, which was allegedly stolen from a tank inside a warehouse in Port Union, a tiny town on the east coast of Newfoundland.

"We were shocked that we would be missing 30,000 litres of our precious water," said Iceberg CEO David Meyers. "We store it in secure tanks and we never, ever would have expected anyone to take such a quantity of water."

more...
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/iceberg-vodka-port-union-water-theft-1.5020177