Have You Been Vaccinated?

[Dime]

I think most of us are aware that -some- people had adverse reactions. That was why they had everyone sit for 15" to 30" post-vax, to see if folks would be OK.

The difference lies in the portrayal, which often includes the folks who use inflated stats from the conspiracy sites that would have me looking to see which half of my vaxxed neighbors died from the jab, versus those who read the accredited journals and research and understand the factual percentages that exist in reality re. reactions.

I had a flu-like feeling following the 3 full-dose jabs I received, which lasted less than a day, which I understand to be my immune system reacting to the vax.

From the boosters, of which I believe I've had 5, I had no sensory changes, other than a sore arm each time.

Do I believe this is the same for all recipients? No. But I also know this was more common for -most- recipients.

The vaccine that kicked my ass for several days was the Shingrix vax for shingles, but my wife has had shingles, and I wanted no part in it, so before my trip to Oz, I went in and got 100% of every vaccine they would give me, which is where I found out that the Yellow Fever vax is only rarely given these days, and only in specific travel or other circumstances, due to the side-effects of t6he vaccine.

The health profession saw fit to weigh the benefits of the Yellow/Dengue fever vax, with the side-effects, and saw fit to curb the administration of that vaccine. The same groups folks who now regulate the COVID vaccines.

Granted, one might argue the profitability of new patents on meds versus older patents, but it's the same groups of people who are vending these decisions.

It was differen in US as far as I know, our mandates were draconian. As a result my wife could not work again without getting more injections so she had to quit and was also denied UI benefits so we live off of my sole income until she retrains or takes a lower paying job. We had to choose between money and health.

 

[moose eater]

It was differen in US as far as I know, our mandates were draconian. As a result my wife could not work again without getting more injections so she had to quit and was also denied UI benefits so we live off of my sole income until she retrains or takes a lower paying job. We had to choose between money and health.

Wouldn't a formal letter from an administering agency/clinic help to mitigate your wife's circumstances in presentation to a governing body?

In Spring 2020 I had the first tooth-abscess of my life, and a bugger it was. My dentist is in the Yukon Territory, and both Nat'l Canada Health and Yukon Territory Health had written that medical treatment was a proper reason to get past what was then a locked Border here.

I had a letter from her (my dentist), a letter from my primary care Doc, and a letter from my friends in Whitehorse, stating I could stay by myself in their fifth wheel with my own outhouse and not sharing facilities.

I had 3-4 weeks' worth of food onboard, and my own portable privy if needed.

After some serious controlled jousting with a Canada Customs Officer with a case of Napoleonic Syndrome (a rarity there), my dentist in Whitehorse finally called their post via landline and read him the riot act over the phone, and I was shortly on my way afterward to my friends' 5th-wheel south of Whitehorse, no quarantining required, and a very humble attitude from the short-man's syndrome dude with the mohawk at Beaver Creek Y.T. Customs.

 

[Azure]

"There are many more ego-centric folks in these threads who seem to believe, often implicitly, that their experience is necessarily everyone else's experience." The same can be said for people who had no adverse reactions claiming it's safe for everyone. My wife works as a psw and got 2 injections in order to keep her job and had a shingles breakout after each one starting at the injection site. The first time the doctor said coincidence the second time he said don't take another so It can be different for some.

Have you seen the Pfizer list of possible adverse reactions to their jab? Yikes!
The FDA wanted court approval to have up to 75 years (2096) to publicly disclose all of the data it relied upon to license Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine.
Here’s the Pfizer data they tried to hide for 75 years: https://www.riotimesonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Pfizer-real-data-released.pdf

 

[moose eater]

Adverse Reactions of COVID-19 Vaccines: A Scoping Review of Observational Studies - PMC

The COVID-19 pandemic had a severe global impact. A range of campaigns and activities, including vaccines, are being implemented to counteract this pandemic. Using observational data, the goal of this scoping review is to identify adverse events ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[moose eater]

Risk of Adverse Events After COVID-19 mRNA Vaccination Among Older US Adults

This cohort study compares the risk of potential adverse events between mRNA vaccines mRNA-1273 and BNT162b2 for COVID-19 among older US adults.

jamanetwork.com

 

[moose eater]

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(23)00109-8/fulltext

 

[moose eater]

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2110475

 

[Dime]

Wouldn't a formal letter from an administering agency/clinic help to mitigate your wife's circumstances in presentation to a governing body?

In Spring 2020 I had the first tooth-abscess of my life, and a bugger it was. My dentist is in the Yukon Territory, and both Nat'l Canada Health and Yukon Territory Health had written that medical treatment was a proper reason to get past what was then a locked Border here.

I had a letter from her (my dentist), a letter from my primary care Doc, and a letter from my friends, stating I could stay by myself in their fifth wheel with my own outhouse and not sharing facilities.

I had 3-4 weeks' worth of food onboard, and my own portable privy if needed.

After some serious controlled jousting with a Canada Customs Officer with a case of Napoleonic Syndrome (a rarity there), my dentist in Whitehorse finally called their post via landline and read him the riot act over the phone, and I was shortly on my way afterward to my friends' 5th-wheel south of Whitehorse, no quarantining required, and a very humble attitude from the short-man's syndrome dude with the mohawk at Beaver Creek Y.T. Customs.

In Canada in order to work in a retirement home you had to have them all,my sister works in one and she has had 8 injections,obviously she hasn't had a reaction at this point but to me it's insanity to be forced to comply or lose everything you have worked for. It was a no brainer for us,I'm not going to let my wife keep taking something that harms her for a wage. We lowered our standards,cut some fat and deal with it. Our PM segregated Canada over a vaccine and has people with opposing views attacking each other as he preaches autonomy.

 

[moose eater]

Frequency of events tends to be pretty important, to researchers and physicians, that is.

To muck-rakers, not so much.

 

[Dime]

Have you seen the Pfizer list of possible adverse reactions to their jab? Yikes!
The FDA wanted court approval to have up to 75 years (2096) to publicly disclose all of the data it relied upon to license Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine.
Here’s the Pfizer data they tried to hide for 75 years: https://www.riotimesonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Pfizer-real-data-released.pdf

Yes shingles was listed

 

[moose eater]

In Canada in order to work in a retirement home you had to have them all,my sister works in one and she has had 8 injections,obviously she hasn't had a reaction at this point but to me it's insanity to be forced to comply or lose everything you have worked for. It was a no brainer for us,I'm not going to let my wife keep taking something that harms her for a wage. We lowered our standards,cut some fat and deal with it. Our PM segregated Canada over a vaccine and has people with opposing views attacking each other as he preaches autonomy.

At that time, there was greater belief in the ability of the vaccine to stop transmission.

There was a short timeline in rolling out vaccines for an illness that at that time was killing a lot more people than later sub-variants, on a case-by-case basis. esp. the elderly and those with comorbidities. And for the obese, especially.

It's not a perfect system at all.

 

[Dime]

At that time, there was greater belief in the ability of the vaccine to stop transmission.

There was a short timeline in rolling out vaccines for an illness that at that time was killing a lot more people than later sub-variants, on a case-by-case basis. esp. the elderly and those with comorbidities. And for the obese, especially.

It's not a perfect system at all.

I know that but it still stands here in retirement homes

 

[Dime]

I didn't have to comply at my job but was requested to be tested but not forced

 

[moose eater]

I know that but it still stands here in retirement homes

Again, the elderly are more susceptible to COVID, even the current sub-variant, which has a lower rate of lethality on a case-by-case basis, but is more communicable, thus making up in mortality rates through increased infection numbers, what it dropped in lethality per case-by-case numbers. If that make sense.

And they're still researching many aspects of the vaccines, to include its lesser efficacy with some of the newer subvariants. The target of the research is often moving (morphing) faster than the research can. Sometimes it's like clinging to a life-ring way out in the ocean, knowing it's maybe not ideal, but it's the only life ring you have.

 

[Azure]

Adverse Reactions of COVID-19 Vaccines: A Scoping Review of Observational Studies - PMC

The COVID-19 pandemic had a severe global impact. A range of campaigns and activities, including vaccines, are being implemented to counteract this pandemic. Using observational data, the goal of this scoping review is to identify adverse events ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Pfizer’s own report ain’t good enough for you?
Normies gonna norm.

 

[moose eater]

I didn't have to comply at my job but was requested to be tested but not forced

A very close family member runs a clinic for folks of whom many are extremely vulnerable.

They (their staff) were required to be vaxxed, as well as making certain they didn't come to work if they had symptoms.

For a time, our local hospital was requiring all of their staff to be vaxxed as well.

 

[moose eater]

Pfizer’s own report ain’t good enough for you?
Normies gonna norm.

I believe I offered up a series of articles from a variety of ACCREDITED medical journals, as opposed to taking a report that someone else offered up from a site that is not Pfizer's.

If sleight-of-hand and perpetuating bias with an axe to grind is your game, and I believe it is after seeing your postings of bullshit, then you'll need another player.

I don't do carnivals.

 

[moose eater]

Pfizer’s own report ain’t good enough for you?
Normies gonna norm.

Leaving out key matters/variables of interpretation in research and stats, such as 'frequency', is a mark of either ignorance or dishonesty. Sometimes both.

And yes, I studied social science research statistics in grad school.

I'm willing to bet you didn't.

 

[Azure]

I believe I offered up a series of articles from a variety of ACCREDITED medical journals, as opposed to taking a report that someone else offered up from a site that is not Pfizer's.

If sleight-of-hand and perpetuating bias with an axe to grind is your game, and I believe it is after seeing your postings of bullshit, then you'll need another player.

I don't do carnivals.

I offered Pfizer’s very own data which they tried to hide from us for 75 years. They know about their vaccine and their CEO, Albert Bourla, knows about it too and decided not to get his Pfizer vax.
Ouch!

 

[moose eater]

I offered Pfizer’s very own data which they tried to hide from us for 75 years. They know about their vaccine and their CEO, Albert Bourla, knows about it too and decided not to get his Pfizer vax.
Ouch!

Maybe, and I offered up three or four prominent accredited journals which publish studies re. numbers of participants from sources that have gathered data re. the issue at hand, and you chose to use your juvenile laugh emoji because where stats are concerned, you're little more than an infant, parroting things that someone told you to parrot, because... greedy boogieman.