in as litigious a society as we live in, i'd test everything if i was going to sell it to the public, myself. JMHO
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moose eater
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They're not required. As I understand it, and I may be wrong, it's not really a food, and it's not a drug.
There are brands and supplements that use a symbol on their packaging to indicate the product was tested by a third-party lab. But for some products I've had to hunt for that symbol.
Then there's the educational level of the average consumer. Many of whom don't understand the way labelling claims work, even if they're enforced.
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Nope. Old(ish) white dude with a Dutch sounding name. Didn´t even bother to look it up until now.
Whole story stinks so didn´t really have to, but there you go. Straight from Pfizer homepage, would they lie?
Yea they prolly would..
But would a strategy lead of a major company talk about company stuff on record, if it was negative shit that would tank their stock and/or make em looks really bad? Oh hell no!
Would the head of RnD at Pfizer also say something like: "Our product might be faulty, and that´s something someone might wanna look into some day".
Because it´s not his job to do just that?
Mikael Dolsten, M.D., Ph.D.
Chief Scientific Officer and President, Worldwide Research, Development and Medical of Pfizer Inc.
moose eater
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COVID treatment (not vaccine) and Interferon; another 'old drug', new to treating COVID, and according to Medscape, it works.
It's a short video, and likely follow-up written article(s).
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Meanwhile, Aussie researchers have reportedly discovered a protein in the surface tissue of lungs that "binds to the (spikes on COVID) like velcro", and they are believing this protein (some folks with less of it, and some with more) explains why some with COVID barely get sick, and others become very ill or die.
(*I'll see if I can relocate the link for that piece).
www.sydney.edu.au
www.theguardian.com
www.pharmaceutical-technology.com
It's a short video, and likely follow-up written article(s).
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Meanwhile, Aussie researchers have reportedly discovered a protein in the surface tissue of lungs that "binds to the (spikes on COVID) like velcro", and they are believing this protein (some folks with less of it, and some with more) explains why some with COVID barely get sick, and others become very ill or die.
(*I'll see if I can relocate the link for that piece).
Scientists discover receptor that blocks COVID-19 infection
University of Sydney scientists have discovered a protein in the lung that blocks SARS-CoV-2 infection and forms a natural protective barrier in the human body.
www.sydney.edu.au
‘Crazy interesting’ findings by Australian researchers may reveal key to Covid immunity
University of Sydney scientists have found a receptor protein which ‘acts a bit like molecular velcro, in that it sticks to the spike of the virus’
www.theguardian.com
University of Sydney discovers protein that hinders Covid-19
Researchers at the University of Sydney have announced the discovery of a new protein in the lung that can hinder Covid-19 infection.
www.pharmaceutical-technology.com
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Dime
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Interferon is used for MS,cancer, and aids and it's a protein produced by the body (cytokines)when you get a virus and can be part of a chemo treatment. It can cause liver failure and all kinds of bad shit for some.COVID treatment (not vaccine) and Interferon; another 'old drug', new to treating COVID, and according to Medscape, it works.
It's a short video, and likely follow-up written article(s).
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Meanwhile, Aussie researchers have reportedly discovered a protein in the surface tissue of lungs that "binds to the (spikes on COVID) like velcro", and they are believing this protein (some folks with less of it, and some with more) explains why some with COVID baerly get sick, and others become very ill or die.
(*I'll see if I can relocate the link for that piece).
Scientists discover receptor that blocks COVID-19 infection
University of Sydney scientists have discovered a protein in the lung that blocks SARS-CoV-2 infection and forms a natural protective barrier in the human body.
‘Crazy interesting’ findings by Australian researchers may reveal key to Covid immunity
University of Sydney scientists have found a receptor protein which ‘acts a bit like molecular velcro, in that it sticks to the spike of the virus’
University of Sydney discovers protein that hinders Covid-19
Researchers at the University of Sydney have announced the discovery of a new protein in the lung that can hinder Covid-19 infection.
moose eater
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Yep, I have a Physician's Desk Reference here that I have sometimes relied on to identify drugs and the potential side effects, as well as negative interactions with other drugs (albeit a 1991 edition, I've used it in synch with 'Pill Finder' online for drug IDs as well), and most approved drugs in any PDR still have a number of pages of side-effects.
One difference between more responsible Docs and those who are less so, can be observed in the 'looseness' with which they utilize drugs known to have serious side-effects, and how often, length of time, and dosage they prescribe those drugs with/in..
And many negative side-effects of any drug include factors such as how long the drug is taken, and in what dosage.
I currently am taking an elevated dose of Omeprazol, 2 x's/day for the acute bleeding gastritis that is eating my stomach and my esophagus area (the stomach last reported, via endoscopy, to possibly/probably have per-cancerous cells on-board in the tissue/lining), and the side-effects from Omeprazol can include osteoporosis.
My bones were always remarkably strong/stout, and now I may be experiencing bone loss eventually, in concert with a triple laminectomy 3.5 years ago, that increased weight-bearing on my vertebrae in 3 locations, where my spinal cord had no room left whatsoever between the cord and the inner trough through the vertebrae. It was causing what would become serious issues. It had already caused noteworthy issues, and was a fairly serious situation at the time of the surgery.
While the surgery let my spinal cord have "room to move" (to borrow a John Mayall lyric), I also knew it would definitely increase the load per square cm or mm on my spine in those areas. A win and a loss; scales of what matters and how to get there.
At some point, there are times that modern medicine, especially in older age, is a matter of trades and, sometimes, diminished returns, and each person makes a decision as to what matters most or is best in those moments.
But if you have a serious case of COVID, and are looking the Grim Reaper in the eye, even potentially, you need what you need.
Limb amputations for gangrene or loss of functional or healthy tissue in limbs due to poorly treated diabetes is a prime example of a treatment that isn't desirable for many in any way, shape, or form, but at times, it saves the patient.
And just as with that example, there are sometimes things that people can do for themselves that help to prevent more drastic treatments. Unfortunately, many humans aren't hip to the major benefits and reduced costs of preventative maintenance of the body or mind, and others aren't graced with the same natural defenses to begin with.
BTW, I don't think Interferon is used as much any more for HIV/AIDS, as it's been replaced by far better drugs, per a family member who runs a clinic dealing with those illnesses.
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Dime
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Yes it's all about current quality of life the way I see it,the future os always uncertain. If you are having or will have bone issues that's terrible pain. I hope you are on the thin side and active ,that may help and I hope you live a long and relatively pain free life
moose eater
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I used the limited number of my own personal examples to make the case re. 'trade-offs'; what is necessary, at the same time, knowing what the outcomes and potential side-effects amount to. Taking personal responsibility or at least playing a role in one's own health care decisions. Which mandates possessing real knowledge, not hype from political or slanted conspiracy-fueled sources.
All things in life are double-edged, or Yin & Yang.
In the months preceding cancer surgery that nearly killed me (the surgery and follwing serious infections, etc.), I lost over 65 lbs. in about 2+ months' time. A product of metabolic shift, and the probability, in my opinion, that the cancer tumors/cells had already begun their 'nutritional traffic cop' role of redirecting nutrition to feed the cancer rather than me..
This, however, also benefitted my spine andother parts of my body, and aided me in the event that I had contracted a serious bout of COVID..
I've engaged purposefully in the past with radical dietary changes, and controlled my own various lab results thereby, in ways that literally amazed my primary care docs in the past, leaving some to believe that maybe I wasn't being fully honest about my methodology, when, in fact, I was being completely honest.
The whole thing has a capacity to become a ripple effect of issues that shouldn't even be on the table, because, largely, most (western culture) people don't take control of their metabolism, diet, body, mind, etc.. ie. the diabetic who eats a pill or takes an injection and opens up a Snickers bar, assuming that it's all good.. The stereotypical lazy and uninformed American or Westerner. Just as one example.
We can see the very same sorts of things with COVID. Whether discussing prophylactic protocols or other issues. Ignorance and laziness to the extent of self-destruction. Mind boggling, imo. Except with COVID, failure to respect proper protocols endangers others, at least as much as the person refusing to be responsible.
Greenfingers420UK
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The best thing to treat covid with is rest and don't panic even if you are jabbed.
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Dime
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I can agree with most of what you typed,except for the protocols like the vaccine, when the fact is vaccinated or not you can transmit and receive,there is no endangerment to others. The masks were never designed to prevent sars tranmisssion so it's a feeble attempt to pacify.That has long been debunked when Pfizer admitted it . The only way to curb or end it would be self isolation for all,shut down all flights instead of introducing new cases from abroad and let it die off which is what should have been done immediately ,even 6 months if needed,it would have been cheaper,safer and not had the fallout or division we have and just pay people their wage to stay home,freeze interest rates etc. but they made it political and even coerced and told people if you get vaccinated you won't get covid many many times,even Biden himself said so. Pfizer asked for a 75 year delay to publish adverse effects.Now people don't trust anything they say and in the meantime the top politicians have increased their personal wealth immensely. In my area they actually took door handles off of rooms in retirement homes and elderly people died because of it,now people are at the food bank who never were,what a shit show these idiots have produced,it's criminal.
moose eater
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Viral load is apt to be lesser with the vaccinated; one of the reasons they typically become less ill when they do get sick with COVID in most cases. (Again. See the 18-million subject study from Italy, and other studies as well). Less viral load means less virus being spread to others.
There are a number of studies that show significant reduction in spread by wearing surgery masks, as wel as a modicum of protection for the wearer.. I recall somewhere near 47%. I could post the studies again if you'd like.
The better N-95's, when properly fitted and worn, provide much more.
The primary advantage of the surgical masks, aside from the protection provided to the wearer (again, studies already show this), is the deflection of the aerosolized saliva from the wearer in exhaling; a primary reason why surgeons wear them. They disrupt the distance the saliva can travel outward in a linear pattern...
Ironically, in the 'meme world' of non-science, especially on social media such as FB, the very photos some were using of exhaled smoke from the now infamous guy in the black cape and hood, attempting to prove surgery masks didn't work, proved this, defeating their own points, though they were so set on their beliefs they failed to note their message was defeated by their own memes.
The surgery masks are not 100%, but here at our home we don't simply wear the surgery masks out in public. We use the GVS Elipse P-100 half-mask, with no facial hair that doesn't fit behind the mask (and I previously wore a fullbeard and mustache for wel over 4 decades preceding COVID; lab protocol says the mask needs to seal). The masks in reference are a lower profile, food-grade rubber, with no metal pieces, so they can be worn into various scans at the hospitals, through security, etc.,. It's literally the same mask FEMA was using during the more letahl onset of COVID. And it's low enough profile that a surgery mask can be worn over it to disrupt the effluent from the exhaust port for the sake of others around the wearer..
It's unfortunate that the anti-vaxxing (Trump and his bleach) community was so set on disproving so many beneficial aspects of the protocols meant to reduce the harms of this virus, to the extent that they ended up negating many helpful protocols and making the situation much worse. Despite their denying this, it's true.
In that regard, I don't believe it was the folks pushing for preventative protocols who made it political. They did make it mandatory in many cases, and that enforcement typiclaly involves both political and enforcement bodies, which under the circumstances, wasn't new in US -or- world history when dealing with a pandemic (despite the claims of revisionists to the contrary).
The resistance to simple protocols, as some sort of weird rebellion, such as mask wearing, often from the same folks who had nothing of protest or resistance to offer at all re. the USA PATRIOT ACT's excesses, but suddenly found hand-washing, avoiding large gatherings or masking to go into a store, to be unacceptable burdens, was not too far afield from the diabetic eating a Snickers Bar. Self-induced suffering that also caused others to suffer... an offense of crimnal nature in my opinion, in more ways than one.
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Dime
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I appreciate your view and thx, but I don't think most people just want to be anti anything and I don't think being right or left matters but it sure did create segregation of the two,people actually threatening each other on social media and at their homes,it's things like walmart open serving thousands in a day and the little guy serving dozens gets shut down when obviously the odds would be greater at walmart,wearing masks standing but not sitting.In Canada, Theresa Tam actually advised wearing a mask having sex,then Biden announced it was over a few months ago at the Detroit auto show then now says may 14 or there abouts,bus drivers wearing masks but not kids then they said kids need not worry then they wanted them vaccinated. Trudeau actually ran a commercial where he told the kids this is between him and them and make sure parents are out of the room to persuade them to be big kids and get their shot,sheer lunacy.All the flip flopping and inconsistency , the silencing of questions and no debates and political theater. The entire thing was politically exploited and a huge money maker for many with control and insolvency for many too.
moose eater
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I had people, strangers, with no knowledge of my or my family's health issues, nor knowledge of the type of masks we wear, mock me, attempt to provoke me (successfully, and to their own humiliation at times; I can elaborate, if you'd like), tell me that my mask wouldn't stop the virus (it does), and more.
This recent late October, when I brought the camper van up from an extended family member's in Wa. State, I was broke down immediately south of Whitehorse, Yukon Territory (at a former friend's place), and CBC was reporting that a new surge had hit Ontario, and at that time, the hospitals in Ottawa and Toronto were reportedly maxxed; "no room at the inn."
Classic cold-season transitional pattern; people moved indoors for activity and life, as they always do, and the same recurrent surges hit. (SMH)
The new development re. the protein that is believed to bind COVID's spikes (which I posted about earlier, recently, discovered by the Ozzies), helps to explain why for some, COVID was a few hours of cold symptoms, while for others, it could be a death sentence, despite medical interventions.
The psychological effect of an unknown foe, and limited insight at the time, re. how to battle it, has sometimes created bizarre effects on humanity and supposed thought processes. Look at the reactions among the public when 'War of the Worlds' was broadcast, and people thought it was real. And that was simply mass-broadcast fiction.
No, not everything was equitable or logical in the expression of safeguards or their enforcement, and money, politics, etc., sometimes has influence where it shouldn't.
Conversely, I had an older son working through that period as a grocery store courtesy clerk, and a daughter working as an RN, and was well aware of the risks in both circumstances, during a time that I was hospitalized for nearly lethal post-op infectons, and we had nutbars showing up at the hospital assaulting and insulting healthcare workers, let alone those who verbally, and sometime physically assaulted healthcare workers for merely telling them they were positive for a COVID test.
Insanity didn't even come close to defining it.
I’m pro-science. That’s why I’m anti-mask
The analysis acknowledges that ‘adherence’ to mask-wearing was low in many studies. Harms were poorly measured
thespectator.com
moose eater
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Probably why surgeons refuse to wear them during 8-hour surgeries, too.
Unmasking the surgeons: the evidence base behind the use of facemasks in surgery - PMC
The use of surgical facemasks is ubiquitous in surgical practice. Facemasks have long been thought to confer protection to the patient from wound infection and contamination from the operating surgeon and other members of the surgical staff. More ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
St. Phatty
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If Covid19 is a virus composed of Amino Acids and/or Proteins -
Is it possible to make a Simulated Hamburger out of it ?
1/4 pound of Covid19.
With barbecue sauce, anything is possible.
But I think I would want it well done.
Is it possible to make a Simulated Hamburger out of it ?
1/4 pound of Covid19.
With barbecue sauce, anything is possible.
But I think I would want it well done.
moose eater
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And if you read that, assuming you did, there is no conclusive result from that 'study.' Zip. Nada.Unmasking the surgeons: the evidence base behind the use of facemasks in surgery - PMC
The use of surgical facemasks is ubiquitous in surgical practice. Facemasks have long been thought to confer protection to the patient from wound infection and contamination from the operating surgeon and other members of the surgical staff. More ...
We do, however, know that even basic, simple surgical maks deflect effluent, in terms of aerosolized saliva during exhalation, and can prove this, preventing the direct linear path it would otherwise likely take.
Good enough for me, as well as my health profession family members
sad...three years wasted bitching about mask...the ten thousand hours wasted on that could have been spent mastering something useful and less annoying...like mastering the accordion
