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[Chi13]

Vit. D, also - recent report said zero deaths with greater than 10 ng/ml - as I recall.

What report would that be?
Everything I've read on vitamin D says that it doesn't prevent covid deaths.

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Fact-check: Can taking vitamin D really eliminate all COVID-19 deaths?

An author on the study regarding Vitamin D said the Instagram post oversimplifies the paper’s findings.

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[moose eater]

D3 is another vitamin directly related to immune function, however there are more recent studies that warn of D3 toxicity.

I take 5,000IU per day of D3, and my D3 tests place me in the ~65% to 75% area of the D3 average recommendations via my blood tests. However, it's my understanding that the scale of average D3 content is based solely on that; how much the average person has in their system, as opposed to some concrete defintion of what is healthy and what isn't..

Another Medscape article, either this week or last week, touted physical exercise as being related to positive outcomes with COVID, but as is already mostly widely known, obesity is a key factor in negative outcomes, so that would seem to go hand-in-hand with the exercise recommendation.

(*My own hypothesis on that is that if the diaphragm muscles are better toned, and less inhibited or constrained by layers of fat, then the patient has a better shot at expelling gunk from the lungs/bronchia).

 

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[shiva82]

you don't study vitamin levels based on taking supplemental tablets.

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[BudToaster]

Another Medscape article, either this week or last week, touted physical exercise as being related to positive outcomes with COVID, but as is already mostly widely known, obesity is a key factor in negative outcomes, so that would seem to go hand-in-hand with the exercise recommendation.

obesity is managed in the kitchen, not the gym. it is not just calories in, calories burned. quality of food is important - i.e. whole food good, processed food bad. low carb/high fat for the win. exercise is for fitness.

 

[St. Phatty]

obesity is managed in the kitchen, not the gym. it is not just calories in, calories burned. quality of food is important - i.e. whole food good, processed food bad. low carb/high fat for the win. exercise is for fitness.

Obesity is managed by both diet and activity. and as you get older, you have to work a little harder.

When I was younger I took the Extreme version of dance exercise, and the instructors were kind of hyper. It's really something watching a 100 pound woman eat a 3 pound cheesecake in between classes.

I doubt she could do the same thing now. I doubt that she weighs 100 pounds.

 

[BudToaster]

from twitter ...

You gotta be kidding me—Anthony Fauci just published an article pointing out viruses that replicate in mucosal passages cannot be effectively controlled by vaccines that create systemic immunity? After 3 years he just announces this obvious point?



cell.com
Rethinking next-generation vaccines for coronaviruses, influenzaviruses, and other respiratory...
Despite the successful deployment of vaccines during the SARS-CoV2 pandemic, viruses replicating in the respiratory mucosal environment continue to present a

cell.com is pretty reputable, eh? - well, except for publishing fauci.

 

[St. Phatty]

D3 is another vitamin directly related to immune function, however there are more recent studies that warn of D3 toxicity.

It's possible to Overdose on most things that are generally healthy for you.

To get to the "Vitamin D toxicity" zone you would have to take a LOT of 5000 IU supplements.

Apparently it might be a problem is you eat Polar Bear liver.

Though it's not a problem for Killer Whales, who are very wasteful and kill Great White Sharks and eat the liver. Actually I think it's still alive when they eat the liver.

 

[Chi13]

you don't study vitamin levels based on taking supplemental tablets.

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Not sure what your point is? Someone said that there was evidence that vitamin D prevented Covid. There is no evidence of that. You'd expect that places with a lot of intense sunshine would have no Covid deaths but that's not the case.

Really, fuck off with your pfizer sponsor comment. I am just here responding to misinformation and I am doing that with good intentions.

 

[moose eater]

Not sure what your point is? Someone said that there was evidence that vitamin D prevented Covid. There is no evidence of that. You'd expect that places with a lot of intense sunshine would have no Covid deaths but that's not the case.

Really, fuck off with your pfizer sponsor comment. I am just here responding to misinformation and I am doing that with good intentions.

Conversely, as people age, they often aren't able to gain the levels of vitamins and minerals from their diets that might normally occur. Vitamin B12 is ths way. As are some others.

And there are many places where a good period of the year there's insufficient sunshine to provide natural vitamin D3, as well. I live in one of those places.

The ways in which vitamin levels are compensated for is often times the addition of supplements, when contributing aging or environmental factors can't be changed.

A particular poster in this thread pretends to know things they don't know at all, and often times, asserts things which are flatly false.

 

[Chi13]

Conversely, as people age, they often aren't able to gain the levels of vitamins and minerals from their diets that might normally occur. Vitamin B12 is ths way. As are some others.

And there are many places where a good period of the year there's insufficient sunshine to provide natural vitamin D3, as well. I live in one of those places.

The ways in which vitamin levels aer compensated for is often times the addition of supplements, when contributing aging or environmental factors can't be changed.

A particular poster in this thread pretends to know things they don't know at all, and often times, asserts things which are flatly false.

I am lucky enough to live somewhere with a lot of intense sunshine, even in winter. I do occasionally supplement with vitamin D though, when we get a few cloudy weeks or it's too cool to go outdoors. I also supplement with B12. They are the only pills I take (so much for being a pfizer sponsor). If I lived somewhere less sunny, I would definitely take vitamin D every day.

 

[moose eater]

It's possible to Overdose on most things that are generally healthy for you.

To get to the "Vitamin D toxicity" zone you would have to take a LOT of 5000 IU supplements.

Apparently it might be a problem is you eat Polar Bear liver.

Though it's not a problem for Killer Whales, who are very wasteful and kill Great White Sharks and eat the liver. Actually I think it's still alive when they eat the liver.

The 5000IU is not worriesome at all. But there are folks here (some even older medical folks in the sticks I've known) who, previous to the reports re. D3 toxicity, were pushing very high dosages of D3 as an informal prescription for all things healthy.

I knew one particular such person, and though he was helpful in many ways, I disregarded his comments re. D3 for the most part. And later on, the more recent reports proved that to be the better choice.

 

[moose eater]

I am lucky enough to live somewhere with a lot of intense sunshine, even in winter. I do occasionally supplement with vitamin D though, when we get a few cloudy weeks or it's too cool to go outdoors. I also supplement with B12. They are the only pills I take (so much for being a pfizer sponsor).

Cancer and another specific illness led me to take a carefully selected fist-full of supplements each morning.

Alpha Lipoic Acid has been shown to stave off and/or reduce the effects of peripheral neuropathy in clinical studies utilizing 600mg/day in IV.

A HUGE problem with supplements in the US is that very few are actually regulated properly for content.

A number of years ago GNC ( a fairly well-known health food and vitamin chain/franchise here, among other things sold there) was raided, and there were commonly used items removed from the shelves and tested.

As one example, their store brand of ginko biloba (spelling?) had no ginko biloba in it at all.

There are some folks who rely on some of these things for more than merely a morning ritual. As an example in analogy, to be selling medical cannabis patients oregano as cannabis ought to be criminal. And under counterfeit drug laws, it is. Even on the black market here, since the 1980s

We test legal cannabis, but not supplements?

 

[St. Phatty]

The 5000IU is not worriesome at all. But there are folks here (some even older medical folks in the sticks I've known) who, previous to the reports re. D3 toxicity, were pushing very high dosages of D3 as an informal prescription for all things healthy.

I knew one particular such person, and though he was helpful in many ways, I disregarded his comments re. D3 for the most part. And later on, the more recent reports proved that to be the better choice.

Once I tried eating Bone Meal, for the Calcium.

Just a tiny amount, like 1/4 teaspoon.

 

[moose eater]

Once I tried eating Bone Meal, for the Calcium.

Just a tiny amount, like 1/4 teaspoon.

Almond milk, while a nightmare re. enviormental issues, including the drought in California and the amountof H2O required to grow almonds, often contains an incredible amountof calcium (added), while being relatievly low carbohydrate.

I took a 5-way-sourced calcium supplement that friends in the Yukon Territory of Canda gave me for night-time cramps in my legs this last later October. First night taking about half the recommended dose, the cramps went away.

I now take the 3-way sourced calcium supplement I have most convenient access to here, and it's not nearly as effective at perventing the leg cramps. Helsp some, but not as effective as what I was taking that they had given me a modest stash of.

I'll pass on the bone meal.

But I can assure you that organic garden amendments are tested and regulated even less than our human vitamin and mineral supplements are. I had a 50-lb. bag of steamed bone meal that I was adding to my soilless mixes, and I kept incerasing the amount of the stuff, and my sopilless mixes continued testing as deficient for calcium and phosphorous (for where I wanted to be at), edspiet the routinely increased amounts added.

One of the older gurus in the grower's round table discussion years ago asked me in messaging if the production plant the boe meal was coming from was also perhaps a plant that also produced bone stock (soup broth), etc., Hadn't occurred to me that even with something as basic as bone meal, corporate America might be multi-tasking/multi-harvesting, trying to maximize their profits while screwing their customers in the process.

But I can't imagine chewing on a tsp of bone meal. And the cleanliness of such a product is cringe-worthy. (Ever visited a slaughter house?) It's not exactly made for human consumption, though some use it as a livestock feed additive.

 

[BudToaster]

Not sure what your point is? Someone said that there was evidence that vitamin D prevented Covid.

i think the point being made is that the only way to know the serum level of vitD is through a blood test - not the amount or brand (efficiacy issues?) of supplements taken. i.e. how well is the supplement being assimilated.

what i saw in passing (i look at a lot of studies) is that vit D prevented covid death in the small-ish sample of patients studied.

 

[moose eater]

i think the point being made is that the only way to know the serum level of vitD is through a blood test - not the amount or brand (efficiacy issues?) of supplements taken. i.e. how well is the supplement being assimilated.

what i saw in passing (i look at a lot of studies) is that vit D prevented covid death in the small-ish sample of patients studied.

Yes, a blood draw is how one calculates levels of vitamin D. But if you look more closely at how that range of levels is arrived at, it's based on what the average person typically has in their system, not a magic or medically defined ideal number to achieve.

 

[Chi13]

i think the point being made is that the only way to know the serum level of vitD is through a blood test - not the amount or brand (efficiacy issues?) of supplements taken. i.e. how well is the supplement being assimilated.

what i saw in passing (i look at a lot of studies) is that vit D prevented covid death in the small-ish sample of patients studied.

Thanks, but from one of the links I provided;
Half (3,100 participants) were offered a vitamin D blood test and those found to have low vitamin D levels (2,674; 86%) received either 3200 IU/day or 800 IU/day of vitamin D supplements for six months, while the other half (controls) received no test or supplements.

&
A total of 34,741 adults (18-75 years) who were not using vitamin D supplements received either 5 mL cod liver oil or 5 mL placebo (corn oil) daily for six months. The majority of participants (86%) who were tested had adequate vitamin D levels at the start of the study.

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[St. Phatty]

But I can't imagine chewing on a tsp of bone meal. And the cleanliness of such a product is cringe-worthy. (Ever visited a slaughter house?) It's not exactly made for human consumption, though some use it as a livestock feed additive.

i wonder how they crush it.

It's not too dis-similar from wood ash, which can be as small as individual molecules.

But that's from burning, one Oxygen molecule at a time.

Wood Ash and Bone Meal, I think it's better to mix them with water before mixing them into a soil mix. Just to keep the dust down.

 

[BudToaster]

Thanks, but from one of the links I provided;
Half (3,100 participants) were offered a vitamin D blood test and those found to have low vitamin D levels (2,674; 86%) received either 3200 IU/day or 800 IU/day of vitamin D supplements for six months, while the other half (controls) received no test or supplements.

&
A total of 34,741 adults (18-75 years) who were not using vitamin D supplements received either 5 mL cod liver oil or 5 mL placebo (corn oil) daily for six months. The majority of participants (86%) who were tested had adequate vitamin D levels at the start of the study.

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those are grossly inadequate supplement levels to achieve 40 ng/ml of blood serum level. which is typical of the poorly designed studies that i read.