Have a empty warehouse to build turn into grow spot.. Need help with electrical , a/c

[OG.Gotti]

Warehouse is 150'x25'x30'.. I plan on using 4 4' 8bulb T5's, 2 600w mh, and 10 1k hps for lighting.. Then the usual, oscillating fans, 5 8" inlines, dehumidifier, other miscellaneous stuff.. Using Quantum adjustable ballasts.. I need advice on how the wire this spot up.. How should I have the breaker wired?? How many outlets will I need to safely run the lights I need.. Thanks for any and all advice...

 

[OG.Gotti]

Climate control? ?

Climate control? ?

I also need suggestions on how to cool something this size, safely and done right..

 

[queequeg152]

better verify what power you have on site before making any plans.

being a warehouse structure, its entirely possible it has only three phase power. if this is the case, you will need someone to install a transformer for you, or find 3 phase equipment.

its hard to imagine any warehouse without at least a tiny transformer at least...for random shit but its always possible.

regarding the AC system... depends on the internal heat gain + external heat gain.

quick calculation yields 38k btuh min. add to this figure various fans and other equipment and the external heat gain + a margin, and you will probably be around 48kbtuh- a 4 ton ac system.

 

[Mikell]

Find a good sparky and HVAC, preferably ones that don't jack rates for growers. If you're thinking wall outlets, there's a need for qualified help to build that space proper.

Everything queequeg said.

Spoon fed doesn't stick as well.

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

Here's a rough outline.
For every twelve k of lights you need
5 tons of forced air spit system a/c.
1 quest 105's dehumidifiers or 180 pint you see at all the shops for lights off.
1 or better two of those greenhouse humidifiers that plug into a quick connect.
Run humidifiers on a pressurized r. O. System. On a humidistat. During lights on.
R. O. System 1000 per day system with 2 storage tanks of at least 500 gallons each. I use 1000 gal tanks.
1 hp booster Pumps for Rez, same pumps for r. O. And pressure switches for both and float shutoff for system.
Heat source for lights out period. heat pumps woork great if you get on of your a/cs with dual purpose capability.
Co2 generator for propane or gas.
High temp shutoff.
Good luck.

 

[CoCoSativas]

It dosent sound to me like the o.p. has any buisness running a grow let alone a warehouse. The numbers are same big or small per ballast, so it shouldn't be hard to figure out by looking how many amps it draws, then figuring out what you need based off of your total of what you run.

I could easily answer the o.p. s questions and stuff but I'm not going to contribute to what sounds like someone dangerously unqualified hacking it up. This is a job best left to pros, if you dont know what you are doing don't post here just call a sparky or a contractor like me I do everything. Be prepared to pay extra and in cash unless it's all legal...

It's a little scary knowing there's guys out there who have no idea what they are doing asking how to set up a warehouse grow. I'm not trying to be rude to the o.p. but from where I stand he needs to learn alot more before moving to a basement sized op let alone this fantasy of filling a warehouse.

BTW why would anyone use quantum when gavita, Solis tek, phantom pretty much anything is better than the old quantum. Aside from a cheap Chinese ebay ballast you are better with anything else.

You are better off having the same wattage in 600 than 1000s and spreading them better, unless you were looking at double ended hps, which in the case of a warehouse is a no brained, that's really where you should be looking.

Anyway get some experience, learn about gear or call a pro, otherwise this is all just silly and scary

 

[CoCoSativas]

harsh! but alright! haha

not sure if you've read this either man, good stuff in here:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=300255

This person is talking about pumping out allot of power and hasn't got a clue. That's scary to me. Anyway no one in my industry is going to mince words, we just tell ya how it is.

The o.p. needs a lot more experience with equipment before he can even start dreaming this up let alone make it happen. Fucking all he needs to know would take maybe a day of quick study with the right people and he would understand electrical load, and maybe even do some of it himself but to me it seems he's extremely under qualified and might want to consider a tent before he grows a warehouse. I used to live off a basement grow, and now just supply my own ned, but I just think the o.p. has so much to learn before considering this. I don't care what experience he has growing the plants, growing and then Comercial growing are 2 different things. Lol I'd tear someone to shreds for yapping off how many years they grew after posts like that, cause you can know the plants all you want dosent mean you know anything about the gear to grow it.

Here is one for you guys. Thus year a famous breeder caused 100 000 in damage here in Canada because he was pulling so much power to this joint he blew the cans off the poles... this happened this year and he told me himself, he's great with the plants but ducks with equipment which frankly shocked me because he's been around so long, grew inside for 20 years but it's not his strong suit so he calls for help. The o.p. needs to just worry himself about what he knows and call someone like me, a contractor who will work in legal or illegal grows.

So if I come across hash maybe I am, but maybe I'm saving you 100 grand in fuckups because you guys wouldn't be the first to fuckups up if it happened it happens to everyone even guys like me who do this shot for a living. I make mistakes too but I'm educated how to fix the problem and typically if I cause a problem it's because I'm being lazy not because I'm not informed.

Yes your post is correct below this lol the gravitas or any d.e. just make so much more sense

 

[CoCoSativas]

Thing is 4000 or 40 000 it's the same deal just more wire, more breakers...

This is why i feel the way I do about the o.p. doing this stuff. If he dosent realize what he's doing at a base level it's dangerous. Like does he want us to tell him what breakers he needs too? Why not ask us to draw up the plans for him and come set it up... i get the forum is here for info but not seeing up a warehouse come on that's silly. If you need to ask these questions you aren't qualified call someone who is and leave them to it. Worry about what you know, or solve the problem and do the research properly not via forum. To me it's inappropriate this is interesting how you learn to do a Comercial grow. Well it can be but taking the advise of strangers who may or may not be qualified to dispense it is interesting the way to start a Comercial op.

I wish him lunch and hope he figures it out. Start small and learn the basics before trying to eat a whole pie, or else you are gonna get the shits real bad, trust me and the shut will be some serious big money problems you can't wave a wand at to fix.

 

[CoCoSativas]

All that is true amigo, I'm just glad noobs are doing this stuff in commercial areas rather than residential. This way if there is a fire or something bad, its away from all the people.

AGREED!

 

[CoCoSativas]

I'd like to point out the o.p. dosent plan to casually light this warehouse what is 10 lights going to do in that space. Lol that's a basement setup not a warehouse

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

yeah i didnt think it was that crazy of a buildout. sounds like a standard 1 car garage conversion.
a ten banger. whats the big deal? isnt that a standard small grow?
i dont think you necessarily have to have a bomb professional buildout crew. just get a good consult from an electrician, or at least have them wire you some 80 amp plugs. you can add your own plug and play titan set ups.
hvac is a good thing to get done by someone who knows how to do a proper install. alot of these things could be learned on the fly by a handy, smart, motivated and more importantly, a broke person.
good luck man. i think you can do it. unless youre insane or stupid, then.. you never know what might happen. you could get rich. you could electrocuted or you could die asphyxiated from smoke in the corner of your room in the fetal position with your bloody fingernails pink with gypsum torn free and stuck in the wall.

good luck.

 

[Fly by Night]

Organic? And, smoke report please. Whew

 

[Mikell]

Str8edge, you're right on that regard re: a ten lighter.

But then look at the total dimension. A lot of room to expand.

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

I have a space about half this size. I'm not filling it to capacity either. I am blowing it the fuck up. That's a relative term. Someone might feel ten lights is obnoxious and greedy where others think they should grow a pair an increase the goal twenty fold.
Either way, if you have the money to build out you should. Life is short.
If it's in your blood you know it at the outset. Pointers turn newbs into pioneers. You never know. This might be the next Michael Jordan of cannabis growing lol.

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

I personally think they should grow a pair. Lol.

 

[barnyard]

yea, Gavita needs to market a fixture to work in a normal size room like when the ceiling are 8' or less...the current Gavita fixctures are designed to run in big commercial grow rooms.

They do provide an excellent reference on Calculating with micromoles:

http://www.gavita-holland.com/index.php/item/lumens-are-for-humans.html

 

[CoCoSativas]

yea, Gavita needs to market a fixture to work in a normal size room like when the ceiling are 8' or less...the current Gavita fixctures are designed to run in big commercial grow rooms.

They do provide an excellent reference on Calculating with micromoles:

http://www.gavita-holland.com/index.php/item/lumens-are-for-humans.html

Uh the digistar... that's what I use.

Anyway yes the o.p. was mistaken this 10 light "warehous" he has planned is just a little thing. That's fine most of us are, hell I currently run one 600 hps but only own 4 I'm a small fish too, but call it what it is.

Either way warehouse or not sounds like someone is short on experience and needs to read before putting this plan into effect. Leave the fucking thing empty

 

[CoCoSativas]

yeah i didnt think it was that crazy of a buildout. sounds like a standard 1 car garage conversion.
a ten banger. whats the big deal? isnt that a standard small grow?
i dont think you necessarily have to have a bomb professional buildout crew. just get a good consult from an electrician, or at least have them wire you some 80 amp plugs. you can add your own plug and play titan set ups.
hvac is a good thing to get done by someone who knows how to do a proper install. alot of these things could be learned on the fly by a handy, smart, motivated and more importantly, a broke person.
good luck man. i think you can do it. unless youre insane or stupid, then.. you never know what might happen. you could get rich. you could electrocuted or you could die asphyxiated from smoke in the corner of your room in the fetal position with your bloody fingernails pink with gypsum torn free and stuck in the wall.

good luck.

I love your list of things that could happen. You are missing a few.

Passing out while using a table saw and falling forward (let's face it who uses a guard that defeats the whole point of a tables and takes away 80% of the shit you can do with it)

Could have a "misfire" with the framing nailer and shoot your build partner (that's one of my fave to see I've seen that maybe 15 or 20 times haha someone with a framing nail sticking out of them, never done it though...)

Really like the way you put that though that was a good laugh that's about what I pictured was going to happen

 

[queequeg152]

I love your list of things that could happen. You are missing a few.

Passing out while using a table saw and falling forward (let's face it who uses a guard that defeats the whole point of a tables and takes away 80% of the shit you can do with it)

Could have a "misfire" with the framing nailer and shoot your build partner (that's one of my fave to see I've seen that maybe 15 or 20 times haha someone with a framing nail sticking out of them, never done it though...)

Really like the way you put that though that was a good laugh that's about what I pictured was going to happen

what the fuck?

have you ever run any tools ever? how the fuck do you fall asleep running a table saw?

table saws are entirely safe provided you are not brain dead. the blade guards today are fine. mine snaps on and off in a second or two. yes i have to remove it now and then to make very close rips. the riving knife should never be removed, though ive done it once to make 9' rips of hardi siding. the hardi blade i had was marginally thinner than the riving knife causing binding.

it takes like 10 minutes to learn how use a table saw. if you are seriously afraid... you can shell out for a saw stop saw. google hot dog test if you are unaware.

regading nail guns. again what the fuck? have you ever run a nail gun?

ill admit straight away... yes ive been known to fire nails in open air every now and then, but its almost impossible to do by accident. even when you fire nails out in open air, they are not like rifle rounds... they travel exceptionally slowly, and tumble like crazy. when i shoot like 10 nails at a fence 20 ft away, maby 1 will stick in.... like a millimeter.

you literally have to pull back the safety with one hand and pull the trigger with the other. it takes two hands. the triggers on pretty much all nail guns made in the last 20 years will not actuate what so ever without the safety depressed. its not an interference safety. the safety mechanism is what allows the trigger to fill with gas and actuate.

the biggest safety issue with nail guns is shooting yourself... fingers and legs when bump firing.
you treat these things similar to how one treats a firearm though. occasionally you will hear about idiots shooting nails into someone propping on the other side of some sheet product, but its rare.

 

[xxxstr8edgexxx]

Again. All of this seem easily overcome with a few handy folks and a couple chill pros here and there along the way. The title here is misleading. It's why I came here. I thought this would be a warehouse buildout thread. The fact that this happens to be in a warehouse makes this title a lil anti climatic.
Better it should say.

"I have some shop space available and wonder how to install a ten light grow."