Hash plots: Is this a easier way to do dry country Guerrilla?

[Guest]

Ok I agree with you that your method is the best overall. Now I am pondering doing the same idea. However, how would you get that many seeds for low cost? Have you found a way to get seeds in bulk for cheap?

I dont see why I couldnt throw some seeds here and there then come back to pull males once and then come back in the fall for falling. Finding a spot that stays wet all year is kinda tough in the dry county.

 

[BACKCOUNTRY]

Ok I agree with you that your method is the best overall. Now I am pondering doing the same idea. However, how would you get that many seeds for low cost? Have you found a way to get seeds in bulk for cheap?

Yep! I grow many plants each year just to produce seeds. Of course they produce many times more seeds than I could use otherwise, so I figure this is a good way to use up my surplus seeds.
And my method will be best for me, for those with few seeds and good facilities for large scale cloning, that may be the way to go. But for me, the large numbers of seeds I have makes seedlings cheap and easy.

Here are a couple pics of a C99xOR95 and Trainwreck female seed plants from this last summer-

 

[PazVerdeRadical]

BC, question: r u gonna dig holes for these plants? remember cannabis roots have a hard time dealing with other roots, they are delicate, like their space. when the soil is not well prepared, usually the soil has roots and stuff in it that will not allow the plant to grow too much. it will still flower and all, but small.

 

[BACKCOUNTRY]

If I do much it will be minimal, insted I will look for good soil, and accept the fact that my yield per plant will be low, which will be compensated for by planting in large numbers.

 

[PazVerdeRadical]

I'm really looking foward for seeing the hash from them plots; how much of it are you expecting anyways?

 

[pakalolo420]

Even if no one else really gets where you're coming from BC, I totally do. It's a solid plan if you bear in mind that you'll need probably thousands of starts to make it fly at first. I've laid out exactly how to carry 100 or so plants easily in a reasonably small backpack, you know where to find it. Don't be afraid to try going semi bare root, I first tried it out of sheer desperation not expecting it to work and was amazed by the success I had. I think 200+ plants is totally doable with some tweaking of the concept. I did tree planting- Dougs of course- too and planted about 500 per day without working too hard. There were guys who could do 1,000 or more in a day.

The beauty of it is that the first year you'll have some spots that work and some that won't but you can exploit the ones that work the next year with more numbers and not use the spots that didn't for whatever reason. Each year you expand your local knowledge and learn what TYPES of places work and which don't saving you further time and effort planting in places that likely won't.

One area worth looking at around here is big clearcuts. They will have good sun and if you know how they are managed you know when crews will be through so you can plan not to use them then. Right after the reprod crews have been through but before the thinners come through is prime time. There'll be a couple years typically where once you're 100 meters into a big nasty clearcut NOBODY else will go into it far, especially if there's a lot of nasty logging slash and debris around to impede travel. Plantings of small plants could probably be done in the thousands with an excellent chance they'll never be seen. I've got a little more rain and groundwater here so it's easier, but look for clearcuts that have streams going through them, take a chainsaw if you have to to clear brush and get far enough out there that the noise of the saw won't attract attention. Do the math: 2,000 small plants maybe realistically 1 oz per, that should make a big ol' pile of hash and I think as you learn which spots work best you can improve those numbers. The plants can be ugly- if the genetics are good they'll still make quality hash, males and all. And you'll get crazy amounts of seed toplay with. There are clearcuts in LM BC, Olympic peninsula WA and the Cascade foothills and coast range of Northern OR that are just made for this sort of thing.

Don't work harder, work smarter.

 

[BACKCOUNTRY]

Hey pakalolo! Yeah, its hard to grasp what I am getting at for some folks I guess, heh heh.

Clearcuts are great for sun, but down this south I am confined to areas near creeks since this is where the ground water is mid/late-summer, most clearcuts here would require artifical watering after early July.

I'm not sure what the laws concerning logging are like in Canada, but here in Oregon it is very much against the law to clearcut(or cut timber period) on the types of streams that would supply water year round, this is to protect water quality for endangered fish by limiting erosion of soil into the streams. As such, many isolated streams in my area are unlogged, and very wild.

 

[pakalolo420]

Yeah, theoretically they are supposed to leave 50 meters or something on each side of all watercourses unlogged as a wildlife buffer zone but they often won't. Also in flat areas the groundwater from the stream or creek will often easily extend out to the Northernmost edge of the watercourse buffer zone and you'll have both groundwater and full Southern exposure there.

 

[phrank]

2 cents worth...

2 cents worth...

I like this idea, and I don't think you should let others discourage you from thinking outside the box. I like the idea of smaller plants, as it seems as if they'd be much harder to detect. Julian makes a similar point in his M.O.C.G. thread when discussing his late season minis. That is, they are super stealthy. Another thing about small plants resulting from low maintenance, is that they are very hardy - almost as if they've learned to fend for themselves. Years ago, when I first started in the great outdoors, out of fear of detection I almost always planted in marginal areas. Although the plants never got that big, they were often very resinous. I have seen a similar phenomenon indoors, where shaded buds are often absolutely coated with resin. In a similar vein, I think that you'll find that some strains are better suited to this method than others. That is, some strains do better than others with low light levels. Another factor you might consider, is that some strains produce high levels of resin at a relatively earlier age. This might allow you to harvest before mold becomes much of a factor. C99 is one such strain, and with any luck I hope to make several kilos of femmed seed this summer. Have you considered the use of femmed seeds? In any case, I do think that your idea is doable, although like anything, it may take some time to perfect. It ought to be worth it though, because even the finest outdoor flowers pale in comparison to bubble.

phrank

 

[PazVerdeRadical]

it is not that we are too dumb to "get it", but there are certain things that one needs to understand... cannabis plantations for hash production are cared for, believe it or not... and I have grown plants in the way BC describes, in lower numbers though, but the concept is just the same... I know BC did some testing before, but not sure if it was exactly as he now means to work with the hashplots. that's all, from personal experience, I'd say the ammount of hash that one can pull for a neglected cannabis plot is not even worth the hassle, and quality of bud out of where you get hash from does matter actually.
be good guys,
peace

 

[chubbynugs]

Hey bc what about making BHO? Its a lil less work then bubble just gotta buy the butane. I have been a lil more pleased with the bho yield then bubble. Just seems the oil burns a lil faster.

 

[BACKCOUNTRY]

PazVerdeRadical- I wasn't implying that anyone is "dumb", I would say "Ignorant" of my specific situation in my specific climate, and thats OK, I'm extremely ignorant about outdoor growing in the jungle for example.

pakalolo420 hails from a place in my greater region, and he and I have been chatting online about these styles of Guerrilla growing for the better part of 3 years now, a matter of fact I'd say he has more in common with me than any other grower I have encountered online.

My comment about people not grasping was me telling pakalolo420 that he understands me perfectly, not because I think anyone is unintellegent. I might be a cold person sometimes, but I am not a hater.

My take on the bud quality issue is that most Bubble hash and dry sift kief that you see on ICmag(and elsewhere) is mostly made from trim and popcorn buds, but the hash is reported to be great. The bud I will be growing won't be total crap, there will be a number of buds per plant that will be somewhat well filled out, and for the plants that I can place in primo locations I expect equally primo buds.

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chubbynugs- Yep, the idea is to process the bud until all the good I can get is extracted. I'm personally more interested in using Ethanol as a solvent, but to each his own.

 

[chubbynugs]

Ethanol that sounds interesting and im game to try anything once. I will look up and see if there are any threads on ethanol oil extraction.

 

[PazVerdeRadical]

BC, hello man, I would really like that this hashplots work real well for you, seriously. I am just making discusion and comparing my experiences to yours and pakalolo's. again, much good luck!

paz

 

[seventynine]

Great thread BackCountry. This is actually the same plan I've been tossing over in my mind. I live a few hundred miles south of you but similar dry conditions. I have never grown outdoor but this year I'm planning on trying a lot. I don't really care the quality of the bud so much so long as I can make a ton of hash (indoor for bud.) I've been thinking about just trying to take out about 10 clones at a time to start, but I might start some seeds as well.

So I'm new to the whole gorilla thing...what do you think about blackberry patches? I could probably drive 30 minutes from here and plant a ton among blackbery patches and hopefully get some hash material (do these areas usually have good moisture?)

I might also try a self watering pot...although I do dislike the idea of leaving a pot at the grow site since it's obviously being cultivated.

I might also try one or two more spots where I visit...but I just don't have the time or know how to drive out of town, hike into the middle of nowhere (trespassing) and then water the plants every week. I guess I could try irrigation, but again there's not a ton of available water around here.

 

[frostynugs420]

im upping my planting this year from 80 to an unknown ammount throught many spots. i would like the idea you have ( going out and planting seeds, coming back mid oct to find what buds are left) for the spots that i dont feel 100% safe/worth my time. ive been thinking about this and you just solidified my ideas, thanx alot, bigassfrostynugs

 

[PazVerdeRadical]

have you guys also considered the security aspect of planting a shitload of plants in not-so-safe areas just to see if you can get a few gs of hash from them? if you guys r gonna plant tons of plants in an area you do not feel safe visiting after planting, I'd say that is a childish move, but what do I know...

 

[BACKCOUNTRY]

PazVerdeRadical- I'm not sure if you are speaking to me, but I'm actually going to be planting in areas that are much more isolated than where I plant now, thats the idea, to make places that would be hard to visit often for regular care useable.

The places I will be planting in rarely see human faces........I did explain this aspect in my first post-

Basicly I trade the hassle of caring for plants on a weekly basis, for the hassle of making Hash, which I think is a great trade.
Plus, since I am not aiming for big buds, the plants can be grown in places with lots of cover, and less direct sunshine, making the plants totally invisable from Helicopters, and much less visable to hunters and other people walking around in the backcountry.

The great thing is I only have to concentrate on growing huge numbers of seedlings, and taking walks in isolated areas. Hiking deep into my local roadless areas and in the distant high mountains is no longer a problem, since I will only be returning once(twice at most) to harvest.

So again, I save myself:

1. The trouble of cloning or sexing seedlings.
2. About 25 hours per plot, per summer, watering and feeding plants(I have hiking and fishing I want to do in summer!).
3. Finding hidden, secure plot sites in my increasingly crowded local backcountry.
4. From airborn threats. Being able to plant in plots with maximum cover completely eliminates the Helicopter threat.

Part of why I am looking into doing this is because my local area that I can travel to a couple times a week reasonably is getting more and more crowded. More lands are being inhabited, more and more evidence of people roaming in places that I used to think of as quiet and safe.
There is tons of rugged territory just outside of my normal reach that is very isolated and quiet, its just not in places that I can visit often, so I have to change my stategy.........

 

[Trancerdancer]

Should be interesting to hear how this all works out. How will I possibly pass the time...

 

[seventynine]

I've been thinking about trying to do a seed run to try this. I do have a couple seeds from outdoor plants and I know that the strain I've got growing right now does very well outdoor in this area. However, I'm guessing that's under optimal conditions.

Any ideas on good sorts of genetics to get that can handle less water or light? By the way I noticed one of your other posts about making a 200 gallon res by digging a hole and putting a tarp on top....Did that work out for you?

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