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Hash plots: Is this a easier way to do dry country Guerrilla?

BACKCOUNTRY

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Anyone who isn't brandnew to the ICmag Outdoor forums has probably heard me complain about my sub-regions excessivly dry summers. The rainy season lasts from October through June, with the heaviest falling Dec-Mar.

But from early July to middle Sept it is nearly desert dry, a matter of fact many desert areas in the USA recieve much more rain during these months than I do. Add to this temp highs ranging from 85-105 all of this time, I water my plants not just to help them grow bigger, but mostly because they will die if I don't!

Basicly, the first question I ask myself when I am considering a new Guerrilla plot is "How are the plants going to get water?". Most of my years of growing guerrilla have involved me visiting my plots 1-3 times a week, and watering by hand from nearby creeks or springs with jugs or buckets. The main hassle in watering my plots is not so much the actual work involved in watering, but more the travel time to my plots(I like to put my plants in rugged isolated places).

One answer is to find places where water is naturally present year round, places where a year round creek flows or a spring seeps from the ground, often these are easy to find in Aug/Sept when the country is the driest around here.

The problem is that these creeks and springs are usually located in deep canyons and valleys that usually have 100 foot tall Douglas fir and Alder trees growing all around them, blocking most of the light. Year round sources of water that also have plenty of sunlight are usually located near human settlements.

So this is what it boils down to, I need water and sunshine to grow decent quality buds. Pretty much my options are to provide water either by hand or with a automated system, or grow in the shady wet areas and get fluffy light buds. But I think there is a great potential strategy staring me right in the face...................
........HASH PLOTS!!


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In 2006 I put a serious effort into trying to use 3 of these naturally moist locations, 2 were located near small springs, 1 was located in a Willow thicket near a year round creek. All plants survived and provided bud, but yields were low, maybe 1/4 to 1 OZ total per plant. The top buds on most of the plants were halfway decent, but the rest of the buds were popcorn, which are a pain in the ass to smoke.

I could have planted dozens of plants at all these plots, planting large quanities would not add extra work for me down the road, since the ground would provide plenty of water.

If I were to plant large plots in these moist low-light areas, I could turn these light buds directly into Bubble hash, Kief, or Oil. I could still get a high quality product in the end, but at a substantial savings in manhours.
Hell, I could plant well hidden plots with all the unsexed seedlings I can carry, and not even return to pull males. Basicly I hike in one time to plant, and then hike in one time to harvest, with minimal investment of materials or time.

Basicly I trade the hassle of caring for plants on a weekly basis, for the hassle of making Hash, which I think is a great trade. :rasta:
Plus, since I am not aiming for big buds, the plants can be grown in places with lots of cover, and less direct sunshine, making the plants totally invisable from Helicopters, and much less visable to hunters and other people walking around in the backcountry.

The great thing is I only have to concentrate on growing huge numbers of seedlings, and taking walks in isolated areas. Hiking deep into my local roadless areas and in the distant high mountains is no longer a problem, since I will only be returning once(twice at most) to harvest.

So again, I save myself:

1. The trouble of cloning or sexing seedlings.
2. About 25 hours per plot, per summer, watering and feeding plants(I have hiking and fishing I want to do in summer!).
3. Finding hidden, secure plot sites in my increasingly crowded local backcountry.
4. From airborn threats. Being able to plant in plots with maximum cover completely eliminates the Helicopter threat.

Does anyone use a strategy like this? I'm sure I'm not the first guy to be intrigued by this possibility.

Here are a couple reposts from my 2006 thread:

BACKCOUNTRY said:
I also planted Low maint plot #2-



It is deep in the old woods, and sits in a clearing made when a good sized tree fell over and cleared much of the southern sky of smaller trees. A year round spring run off flows through the clearing, and 4 clones(see blow) sit in high spots around the damp area.

I used osmocote at this plot, partly as a control for my typically Organic grows, and partly because I used it alot in the past, and think it works fine.
While scanning the woods around where I parked my car, I found a unopened can of Hamms, went down good on the drive out of the woods :woohoo:


I went to visit trhis plot after not seeing it since I planted it in May. It was a low light grow, so the buds are kinda airy, but the only cost me 4 extra clones and 2 walks in the woods :yummy:

Here they are as I found them:








Another plot:
BACKCOUNTRY said:
This grow was the last planted, LM#3-




This plot got munched by wood rats, the 2 smaller plants were killed, the biggest survived with heavy damage. Despite this it looks like a 1/4oz of stinky smoke! Better than nothing I guess :joint:

And another
BACKCOUNTRY said:
Low matience plot #1:

This location is in a small flood plain in the uper reaches of a year round stream, the soil there should remain moist enough to sustain my plants through the season. The willow will provide great cover from the ground and air, I will need to do some clearing for light as they put on more leaves.



Here is what the area looks like from the outside:



Well I finally found a window of time to harvest my big plot, LM #1. It appears the plot became light starved since the last time I saw it, in August. The fast growing Willows who provided so much camoflauge, also helped to reduce my expected harvest from 1.5 pounds to about half a pound. Oh well, at least this plot didn't cost me much time or money, so I guess I still won, heheh.

AQt least they were very pretty, and the bud is very potent, both the colors and power of the buds are due to leaving it to the last minute. Also it caused the small amount of mold I found, it was surprisingly little.

Anyways, here are the ladies!!











 
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SoEx

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Interesting read, I clicked on your thread accidentally and read through :p

That sounds like a pretty cool idea, it's appealing to be able to not have to maintain plants constantly in the outdoors. But I wonder, won't processing higher numbers of plants into hash be a pain in the butt for you?

Anyhow, I like the budshots from those! :)
 

BACKCOUNTRY

Mourning the loss of my dog......
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SoEx- I think comprimise is worth the trouble.
Essentially, insted of scouting endlessly for secure spots that I can visit often, or setting up irrigations systems that can get plugged or leak, I simply take a hike into a isolated area, probably without even needing to pre-scout, and plant clusters of plants in places that look like they will support my plants OK, write down the GPS location(keep list in a hidden place, not on the GPS reciever), and return in early October to collect what survived. Plant and forget!

1. I save alot of time and effort scouting out plots, setting up irrigation systems, or watering plots by hand.

2. I save the time and effort of cloning, or pre-sexing seedlings, which is necessary in plots where you don't want to waste effort and space on males. This leaves me more time to simply grow massive numbers of cheep seedlings.

3. Since I don't have to be near as selective about plot locations, it greatly expands the location possibilities. Now I would be free to plant in areas that are a longer drive from home, or a longer walk from the car. Being able to plant so deep out gives me increased security, I can plant well away from other people.

4. Not needing to care for the plants makes me safer, not needing to visit often decreases the already fairly remote chance of getting caught.

In exchange for these conviences, I will spend many hours during the boring Winter making Bubble hash and Kief at my leisure, in the safety and privacy of my home.

Sounds like a winner to me!
 

sunnydog

Drip King
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Hello,B,C. We tried a similar strategy last year, we called them POO'S- Plants Of Opportunity!
Ours did not do so well :badday:
The soil here sucks.
So, we do containers, rain harvesting, and blumat drippers.
2008 will be the year.
Hope to start about 125 seeds.'Bout 7-9 diffrent strains.
Got burned last year,wrong strain,did not finish.
Will contribute to your strain-guide as we accrue data.
Hope this is kinda on topic.
 

sunnydog

Drip King
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BACKCOUNTRY said:
What happend to your er....um....POO plants?
Not much!
Soil sucks too bad.
Thats why containers with pro mix worked out better for us.
Digging holes in rooty,rocky soil got old,quick!
If you have areas that will support POO's go for it!
Just for us, by the time I dig holes and schlep in amendments,I might as well put them in pots and grow them big and proper.
Also, we gave up on in the ground planting 'cause everything else around steals precious water.
SD
 

PureSativa420

Active member
i have a few plots i do this at BC, i actually take the time and energy to plant clones that i have vegged for atleast 6weeks inside so they have a very good start and then put them into the ground and come 3 times after that

i plant on May 15 thru the 21st

come back on june 21st to see how the plants are doing and give them 1 good feeding after all the nutes in the ground have been used up!

i come back once again mid to late august to hit them with flowering ferts and spread the plants out to make sure the sun is hitting all of the plants

the last time i visit i bring a pair of trimmers and 2 book bags, 1 bag is for all the good leaves and the other is for all the buds

doing this i can easily achieve 2 to 5oz per plant to turn into bubblehash/keif


but our climates are much different and i get alot of rain off and on thru the growing season which you dont :(

but i love the idea of planting in the moist places, swamp/marshes and what not as you mention are the perfect places to plant in containers! you can bury 1/4 of the containers in the water and leave them, the top 3/4 out of the water will provide lots of oxygen for ya plants and the bottom 1/4 will provide the water to keep them alive!

hope ive helped you in ya thinking and gathering process :)
 

BACKCOUNTRY

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Gantz said:
so the self-watering pots idea is out?
Not at all! Since I have never used a self-watering pot outdoors, and have never built one before, I'll probably only do 4 of them this year and call it a experiment. I figure I'll try using several different configurations, and soil mixes, so that I can do it even better in 2009.

PureSativa420- I appreciate your input! But the big novelty in this plan is the extremely low investment of time and money. I look at this as just a suppliment to my regular crop, which will be cared for and watered like usual.

The idea with my plan is to just grow tons of seedling(read hundreds), pack as many as I can in a big backpack, grab a small shovel and my GPS, and basicly go take hikes in the mountains and play Jonny Appleseed.

Insted of finding mother plants, and dinking around with clones, I use my resources to pump out seedlings. Rather than taking care of the plants, I just plant loads of them, many will be male, many will die, and the yield per plant will be low, but through sheer numbers I will accumulate enough low-mid grade bud to make all the Hash I could possibly use.

Basicly the strategy is the direct opposite of my normal, tedious plot preperation routine, and extensive watering schedule. Insted of cloning or sexing seedlings, I just plant tons of seeds, and plant them withen a month. Insted of a scouting trip, a plot prep trip, a planting trip, and numerous watering trips............... I have insted one trip to scout AND plant, and one just to harvest, if the plot is all gone, I won't cry.
 
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Reinhold

we must live close lol, but the only problem is i cant find any moist areas! noooooone they dont exsist.....so im still at tossup on what to do.

Your idea I would say would work quite well and its not really a waste of time or your effort cause theres next to none. So you could throw out lots of clones in these spots or since its hash etc it wouldnt matter like you said if it was seed. Sounds like a good idea to me man, why not do it? youll still be maintaing a regular crop and this one would be such little effort go for it!
 
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SilverSurfer_OG

Living Organic Soil...
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Hey Backcountry this sounds like a plan. I have scouted out one area that is nice and wet...

Wont you end up with more seeds than buds if you let males grow?
 

Browser

H8ters gonna h8
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Greetings BC,

How about using fem seeds (an extra investment, but that almost gets rid of the chance of males = fems can use energy in buds, not seeds), and hydrogel? Maybe a quick soil amendment mix as you dig to plant?

I understand you want quantity, not quality, but I think that taking some of these things into account might produce more quality out of your quantity :smoke:
 

hamstring

Well-known member
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BC
Sounds like a good idea and in no way am I trying to discourage you but, I have read (no personal experience) that 1 lb of bud delivers 20 grams of hash.

If it is just for personal I say go for it because as you have said you are putting in very little labor.
 
ive done it with ok results but you never know what your gonna end up with could be a gram on a stick or eatin/dead so i'd have other plants that i'd take care of so I know ill get somthing.
I prefer smoking a variety of flavorfull dense nuggets that grew under the hot blazin sun allday long.

another thing about buds that dont get sun is the thrichomes are always white/clear they dont turn amber im my experience, which gives you the more premature sativa high.

I think it really depends on your area,i'd try to find a wet area with atleast 2 hrs partially sun.
 

BACKCOUNTRY

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The idea is to keep it simple folks!!

The idea is to keep it simple folks!!

First, let me remind everyone that I grow TONS of seeds every year, and I only use a extremely small fraction of them each year usually. So keep in mind that seeds are very cheep for me.

Also keep in mind that the idea of these grows is to keep Labor and Manhours to a minimum! Thats why I am not using clones or sexed seedlings; This is why I am not doing any pre-scouting/preparation of plots; This is why I will not plan to visit again until harvest; This is why I will not plan to return and fertilise or water. Etc, etc, etc.
The more time I spend taking care of the plants, the more "expensive" the bud becomes, see what I am getting at?

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SilverSurfer_OG- I'll end up with lots of seed, but bud as well, and the idea is to use the bud for Hash anyways, I don't care if the buds are ugly/small. I suppose if I decide I want to go for a walk in August and pull males at some of the plots, that could be done, but the overall idea is to keep time/labor to a absolute minimum!

Browser- Buying femmed seeds would not be a small extra investment for me, it would be a huge investment for me considering I grow my own seeds anyways for free.
Plus, keep in mind I am not growing "traditional" Sinsemilla here, I'm growing Hash material, whether it has seeds matters not.
I suppose I could toss a handfull of time release ferts in with each plant, but I think even that is too much investment.

hamstring- Yep, all I can do is give it a try, and why not? The point of this is low investment!

FlyinHawaiian- Yep, I'll have my normal Sinse grows going on as well, this will be a little side experiment, its something I have wanted to do for a while.
 
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BACKCOUNTRY said:
First, let me remind everyone that I grow TONS of seeds every year, and I only use a extremely small fraction of them each year usually. So keep in mind that seeds are very cheep for me.

I wish I had that problem someday........ Tired of this ordering from overseas shit 10 at a time. :bashhead:

The thing that interests me the most about these hash plots is not the incidental bud you get the first few go rounds but You're experimenting and that is something a lot of people never get to do with weed.

The neat thing is the "what" if, what if you find a plot out there for your needs and you come back after the season and there are big healthy plants and you just discovered a sweet spot out in the hills that you can use as a whopper plot. Just seems like a great way to experiment and make some yields that could be almost a freebie in terms of labor.

You don't know until you try.
 

BACKCOUNTRY

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Yeah, I like the idea that I get to cruise alot of isolated mountain valleys, and get some plants planted regardless, and in the process I get to see alot of new country that I may exploit even more next year. At any rate, its a win win I think!
 

SilverSurfer_OG

Living Organic Soil...
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Good stuff.

What ground prep would you do for a wet/damp area? Just dig a small hole and plonk the seedlings in or could you sow seeds?? I guess both would work...

I have read that planters are the way to go for wet areas but is that is more for swamps??

Also what strains do you mostly grow?

Cheers.

:smoweed:
 

PazVerdeRadical

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hello BC, in my experience, doing a similar thing always seems like a waste of time for such a low yield. consider that if you harvest a low yield in bud-form, the ammount of hashish you can get from that will be as low; sometimes even lower if the plants were not fed nor watered right, and on top of that if the soil is not ideal, the yield will suffer lots... resin production also suffers, specially in shaded areas

these pics are of 10 plants (believe it or not), of course, these are unacclimatized, i still need to break the buds and look for seeds to seed if better plants grow out of the next generation. i planted over 50 seedlings with the same logic as your hash plots, with the purpose of making seeds for acclimatization; but got to see how not worthy it would be to try and grow herb that way...

those days you would use planting those hash-plots, you could use to place a water pump in a very stealth place perhaps?

much peace!




 

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