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[ogibogibo]

That looks like some tasty oil Brain!

Ive never tried the acetone method, i just have a feeling that its not good for you when smoking (and because ). Gonna try the Gumby method next time

Anyway some great pics and i bet it tasted awesomeness!

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

, safest way to evaporate is a well ventilated room with no smoking or flames, bathroom usually works. I usually use a blowdryer.

i recall some guy in toronto DIED last year doing a solvent extraction in a bathroom.


u sure it the safest way? seems quite dubious..

 

[Shred42O]

agreed there is no way indoor anywhere is safer then out side

 

[BrainSellz]

agreed there is no way indoor anywhere is safer then out side

Hows it goin my man, I didnt state that the bathroom was the safest, i stated the safest place was "a well ventilated room" then stated that "a bathroom usually works", only what makes you feel safe is gonna be the safest for you and hopefully you trust what you do. Ventilation is key and this can be done right anywhere. Easy does it!

i recall some guy in toronto DIED last year doing a solvent extraction in a bathroom.


u sure it the safest way? seems quite dubious..

Man i did some research on the guy in toronto but cant find the info on the whole article, i see where it says toronto fire department showed up on the Google page but it doesnt say anything else... i wanted to see what the guy did wrong... someone always manages to burn themselves with water but that aint bad if just one person mightve got hurt. Easy does it!

 

[BrainSellz]

Qwik fact about acetone:
Acetone is naturally produced and disposed of in the human body as a result of normal metabolic processes. Reproductive toxicity tests show that it has low potential to cause reproductive problems. In fact, the body naturally increases the level of acetone in pregnant women, nursing mothers and children because their higher energy requirements lead to higher levels of acetone production. The medical community is now using ketogenic diets that increase acetone in the body to reduce epileptic attacks in infants and children who suffer from recalcitrant refractory epileps

 

[Euphrates]

I don't see how it would be easier than qwiso, I dunno though, I really don't like the smell of acetone either, I'd prefer Iso99 - As for trim, I think making and extraction out of that would be/could be kind of gross, at least ime, I would rather shift the tricomes out over a screen into a dish, wash out the trichromes out of the screen into the dish with the kief, or take the keif out that you shifted, and powder it with what ever qwiso you make.

 

[BrainSellz]

I don't see how it would be easier than qwiso, I dunno though, I really don't like the smell of acetone either, I'd prefer Iso99 - As for trim, I think making and extraction out of that would be/could be kind of gross, at least ime, I would rather shift the tricomes out over a screen into a dish, wash out the trichromes out of the screen into the dish with the kief, or take the keif out that you shifted, and powder it with what ever qwiso you make.

yeah man lots of cool ways to get to the good stuff. Easy does it!

 

[bugler]

Just to point out that I'm not anti solvent at all. I'm not a scaredy cat, hippy dippy, poison phobe. In fact I'm a big fan of acetone, for example it's use in dual solvent recrystalizations of mescaline is unsurpassed.

But I think a reader could reach a misrepresentation of it from:

Qwik fact about acetone:
Acetone is naturally produced and disposed of in the human body as a result of normal metabolic processes. Reproductive toxicity tests show that it has low potential to cause reproductive problems. In fact, the body naturally increases the level of acetone in pregnant women, nursing mothers and children because their higher energy requirements lead to higher levels of acetone production. The medical community is now using ketogenic diets that increase acetone in the body to reduce epileptic attacks in infants and children who suffer from recalcitrant refractory epileps

All of that may be true. It's also naturally occurring in orange juice and many other food products. But your application isn't using the blood of pregnant women to make hash. You're talking about pure acetone, which is a different ballpark. The medical community may well be using ketogenic diets, but they sure aren't recommending prego ladies go buy a gallon at lowes and let it evaporate in their homes.

Here are a few more quick acetone facts, again not to scare anyone out of using it, just making sure the characteristics of it are discussed here.
MSDS readable here http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/a0446.htm
some relevant quotes from it:

DANGER! EXTREMELY FLAMMABLE LIQUID AND VAPOR. VAPOR MAY CAUSE FLASH FIRE. HARMFUL IF SWALLOWED OR INHALED. CAUSES IRRITATION TO SKIN, EYES AND RESPIRATORY TRACT. AFFECTS CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM.
-emphasis in original
<snip>
Health Rating: 2 - Moderate
Flammability Rating: 3 - Severe (Flammable)
Reactivity Rating: 0 - None
Contact Rating: 3 - Severe
Lab Protective Equip: GOGGLES & SHIELD; LAB COAT & APRON; VENT HOOD; PROPER GLOVES; CLASS B EXTINGUISHER
Storage Color Code: Red (Flammable)
<snip>
Inhalation:
Inhalation of vapors irritates the respiratory tract. May cause coughing, dizziness, dullness, and headache. Higher concentrations can produce central nervous system depression, narcosis, and unconsciousness.
<snip>
Fire:
Flash point: -20C (-4F) CC
Autoignition temperature: 465C (869F)
Flammable limits in air % by volume:
lel: 2.5; uel: 12.8
Extremely Flammable Liquid and Vapor! Vapor may cause flash fire.
Explosion:
Above flash point, vapor-air mixtures are explosive within flammable limits noted above. Vapors can flow along surfaces to distant ignition source and flash back. Contact with strong oxidizers may cause fire. Sealed containers may rupture when heated. This material may produce a floating fire hazard. Sensitive to static discharge.
Fire Extinguishing Media:
Dry chemical, alcohol foam or carbon dioxide. Water may be ineffective. Water spray may be used to keep fire exposed containers cool, dilute spills to nonflammable mixtures, protect personnel attempting to stop leak and disperse vapors.
-note that if you do have a fire, water isn't the best thing to fight it with
<snip>
Use non-sparking type tools and equipment,
-hair dryers most definitely spark, alot
<snip>
Vapor Density (Air=1):
2.0
-means it can "pool" and "flow", keep this in mind as a ventilation fan "may" not be mixing the vapors in with the air that is being ventilated
<snip>
Conditions to Avoid:
Heat, flames, ignition sources and incompatibles.
<snip>
Toxicological Information
Inhalation rat LC50: 50,100mg/m3
<snip>
Label Hazard Warning:
DANGER! EXTREMELY FLAMMABLE LIQUID AND VAPOR. VAPOR MAY CAUSE FLASH FIRE. HARMFUL IF SWALLOWED OR INHALED. CAUSES IRRITATION TO SKIN, EYES AND RESPIRATORY TRACT. AFFECTS CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM.
Label Precautions:
Keep away from heat, sparks and flame.
Keep container closed.
Use only with adequate ventilation.
Wash thoroughly after handling.
Avoid breathing vapor.
Avoid contact with eyes, skin and clothing.
<snip>

I don't think you have any ill intentions, and clearly your method is effective for you, as it hasn't killed you yet but it has provided you with some beautiful product.

A small fan blowing across the surface of your pan, and a heat pad underneath will do just as good a job as your hair dryer, and be a lot safer, although I'd move the whole getup to a an outdoor area if not using a makeshift fume hood. I speak from personal experience that a hair dryer CAN ignite a pan of solvent.

Again, thanks for the beautiful pics.

 

[BrainSellz]

A small fan blowing across the surface of your pan, and a heat pad underneath will do just as good a job as your hair dryer, and be a lot safer, although I'd move the whole getup to a an outdoor area if not using a makeshift fume hood. I speak from personal experience that a hair dryer CAN ignite a pan of solvent.

Again, thanks for the beautiful pics.

Hows it goin bugler, yeah man thats definitely the safest for sure Its a good thing acetone evaps the way that it does, that stuff will find its way outta anything. Be careful with the hair dryer and the solvent. Thank you and you are welcome for the hashetone pics. Easy does it!

 

[Incognegro]

Hey I love Acetone, it's my friend honestly..

But hey, just curious, I thought heat degrades THC? So isn't the adding of the blow dryer, or even the heating mat degrading the THC content in the oil?

Just curious, not tryin to start no shit... seems lots of people like to fly off the handle for nothing on these boards (won't mention any names).. I've never tried oil before, love hash though...so I was just curious.. But given I know how Acetone works, why not just let it sit and evaporate completely.. or did I miss something? (probably did).. sorry for the questions...

I got attracted to this thread because I say ACETONE, lol...

 

[jd4083]

Looks quite nice actually. Sorry if I missed it, but mind doing a quick run-down on the process you used? I've never done acetone but routinely do large QWISO runs for frosty trim and popcorn and rarely get the consistency I see in those pics (looks close to BHO) even with an "instant wash" with no soak/shake time. More info is appreciated.

 

[bugler]

But hey, just curious, I thought heat degrades THC? So isn't the adding of the blow dryer, or even the heating mat degrading the THC content in the oil?

While there is a majority of liquid acetone left, the temperature is actually limited to the boiling point, 134*F. (actually due to the oil dissolved in the acetone the true bp is probably a little higher) But in general, the liquid just can't get hotter than it's boiling point. Sure, in general heat is bad, but think about how much heat you smoke with? Vape with? Bake with? Still a lot of THC makes it to your brain! I doubt a brief period in the 130's or less even is that big of a deal stability wise.

Now as the majority of the acetone evaporates, the pan of course can get hotter, but I doubt he's really blowing the pan up to red hot temps!

but if you're worried, easy enough to put your pyrex in some panty hose and leave it outside with a breeze blowing on it though, 20*F here tonight, certainly wouldn't have to worry about heat damage out there, just don't it get snowed on!

 

[BrainSellz]

Looks quite nice actually. Sorry if I missed it, but mind doing a quick run-down on the process you used? I've never done acetone but routinely do large QWISO runs for frosty trim and popcorn and rarely get the consistency I see in those pics (looks close to BHO) even with an "instant wash" with no soak/shake time. More info is appreciated.

Apprec, hey jd i am almost done with around a qp of trim, just ran it through the process took detailed photos and now just waiting on it to evaporate. When it finishes i will have it up taday. Easy does it!

Hey I love Acetone, it's my friend honestly..

But hey, just curious, I thought heat degrades THC? So isn't the adding of the blow dryer, or even the heating mat degrading the THC content in the oil?

Just curious, not tryin to start no shit... seems lots of people like to fly off the handle for nothing on these boards (won't mention any names).. I've never tried oil before, love hash though...so I was just curious.. But given I know how Acetone works, why not just let it sit and evaporate completely.. or did I miss something? (probably did).. sorry for the questions...

I got attracted to this thread because I say ACETONE, lol...

word on that acetone is a gift from the heavens. When its evaporating the dish and acetone stay super cold, too cold to hold im serious. The only time things get hot are when the acetone is gone and i put the dryer rite down on the oil after i have scraped it up to dry it out further. I have had full evap no dryer and ive had dryed completely with a dryer and potency did not change, if it did it would not be enough to notice at all. no you didnt miss anything, letting it evap is by far the smartest and safest for sure. Yeah i love hash myself especially the stuff thats made from pure kief and oil however the oil by itself is on another level, breath taking..pun intendid. Easy does it!

but if you're worried, easy enough to put your pyrex in some panty hose and leave it outside with a breeze blowing on it though, 20*F here tonight, certainly wouldn't have to worry about heat damage out there, just don't it get snowed on!

^

 

[jd4083]

Just to point out that I'm not anti solvent at all. I'm not a scaredy cat, hippy dippy, poison phobe. In fact I'm a big fan of acetone, for example it's use in dual solvent recrystalizations of mescaline is unsurpassed.

But I think a reader could reach a misrepresentation of it from:

All of that may be true. It's also naturally occurring in orange juice and many other food products. But your application isn't using the blood of pregnant women to make hash.

But what if we could?

 

[Lazyman]

I've made pounds of honey oil with ISO, denatured alcohol, and now Acetone, so I can tell you the differences.

All of them need to be frozen to work best btw, any warmer and you will pick up WAY mroe chlorophyll. Use only dried, cured trim, never fresh (also too much chlorophyll.) Freeze the dried trim too.

ISO is expensive and hard to get in quantity. It also has water in it that takes longer to evaporate.
Denatured alcohol works great, but takes a long time to purge out (I use an electric oven at 200*F with lots of exhaust and open windows.)
Acetone takes a longer wash than denatured or ISO, about 60-90 seconds makes a good run, versus 30 seconds of the alcohols.
Acetone also evaporates much faster in the oven, 3 hrs versus 18-24 for alcohol. (NEVER use a gas-fired oven for this!) but it DOES make these little crystals build up on the element. If you open the door when the element is red hot, those crystals will glow red hot and POOF instant fire. Slam that door shut and turn the oven off! Guess how I know. I have a fire extinguisher next to the oven just in case. Yeah it's not safe or smart, but I've evaporated a dozen pans of acetone (hundreds of pans of alcohol) and that was my only fire.

The end product is good, perhaps a bit harsher than alcohols. Acetone costs an extra buck a gallon, but because it only stinks up my house for 3 hrs instead of a full day I will probably keep using it. Heating (decarboxylizing) oil in an oven is a good idea as it will purge out all of the solvent. Basically you have to heat it until there are no more bubbles forming, it should look like a dirty flat pan of oil when done.

Oh, and I washed a bunch of kief with acetone, and found that 63% of kief is NOT soluble cannabnoids, but junk that got caught in the filters! Kief is almost 2/3 garbage and contaminants from vegetative matter, plant waxes, dirt hair etc. Kief sucks compared to solvent-based extracts!

 

[jd4083]

Lazyman, you're a good person to ask. I have ran probably thousands of trays of BHO and QWISO over the years, but as I mentioned, never tried out acetone. A couple of q's for you (and anyone else who wants to chime in):

1.) Best place to find appropriate acetone to use for an extraction? Lowe's/HD? Chem supply store? I've actually still got my sales&use license for the state + a lot of semi-local chemical distributor contacts for a business I sold a while back, easier/better to get it from them?

2.) What types of returns can one expect using only manicured flowers, no trim? Say I took 100g of popcorn and lightly broken top nugs from one of my greasy girls...maybe the master kush I've been using for BHO runs the last few weeks. I could typically pull ~15g of quality BHO and another few grams of second run QWISO from the remainders for every 100g I run. Could I be looking at a better yield with acetone?

3.) Is a "whole nug" run necessary with acetone extractions as it is with QWISO/BHO in order to yield the highest quality product? And I'm interested in what you mentioned about acetone needing a longer wash than isopropyl alcohol...any ideas as to why, and can you elaborate a bit on what the differences between, say, a 30 second acetone wash and a 90 second acetone wash would be? (return, quality, etc.)

Thanks in advance

 

[Lazyman]

Yep, i get my acetone and denatured alcohols from Lowes, around $16 a gallon for each.

Manicured flowers, good question! I only get paid about $200 an oz for my oil so it's not worth me hashing good flowers to do so. I was given a pound of crappy outdoor flowers and only got 30 grams of oil from it though, but there are sooo many variables! I usually get around 2-2.5 oz of oil out of a pound of good sugar trim (no fans or stems.) Acetone and alcohol are both well known to produce better yields than BHO, in fact, everything does! my guess is you would get around 30-40 grams of oil from acetone from your 100g of buds.

I noticed that by stirring the frozen acetone mix, it didn't pick up color as fast as frozen alcohols did, I use a white bucket so I can see inside. I like to stop right before the mix turns green, it just takes a little longer with the acetone than it did with alcohol to get to the same point. A 30 second acetone wash made good product but with a very low yield for the size. With a longer wash (90 sec) and the same amount of trim, I got about a 30% increase in yield without grabbing much (if any) additional chlorophyll.

I also use alcohols as a scissor and finger wash when trimming. After all is said and done, I bring home a small tub of alcohol, filter it and rinse the filter out with clean alcohol, and dry that out. last run I got 25 grams of scissor hash/oil. Not bad for stuff that ordinarily isn't recaptured, at least to that degree.

 

[jd4083]

Yep, i get my acetone and denatured alcohols from Lowes, around $16 a gallon for each.

Manicured flowers, good question! I only get paid about $200 an oz for my oil so it's not worth me hashing good flowers to do so. I was given a pound of crappy outdoor flowers and only got 30 grams of oil from it though, but there are sooo many variables! I usually get around 2-2.5 oz of oil out of a pound of good sugar trim (no fans or stems.) Acetone and alcohol are both well known to produce better yields than BHO, in fact, everything does! my guess is you would get around 30-40 grams of oil from acetone from your 100g of buds.

I noticed that by stirring the frozen acetone mix, it didn't pick up color as fast as frozen alcohols did, I use a white bucket so I can see inside. I like to stop right before the mix turns green, it just takes a little longer with the acetone than it did with alcohol to get to the same point. A 30 second acetone wash made good product but with a very low yield for the size. With a longer wash (90 sec) and the same amount of trim, I got about a 30% increase in yield without grabbing much (if any) additional chlorophyll.

I also use alcohols as a scissor and finger wash when trimming. After all is said and done, I bring home a small tub of alcohol, filter it and rinse the filter out with clean alcohol, and dry that out. last run I got 25 grams of scissor hash/oil. Not bad for stuff that ordinarily isn't recaptured, at least to that degree.

Firstly, great info, and thanks very much for the quick response. Secondly, holy shit, $200 a zip? Seriously? Out my way, if somebody wanted to buy quality BHO and could find it in reasonable quantity, $200 would be a GREAT price for an eighth of an ounce. I can definitely see why you're using trim my friend.

A couple more questions if you don't mind:

1.) When I do QWISO washes, I simply pour the alcohol over the flowers without shaking or swirling, which allows for very little contact time and a much higher quality product (although a much lower yield as well). You said that by stirring the material with the acetone you noticed it drew out less chlorophyll (or rather, drew it out at a slower rate)? Or are you saying that when compared to an alcohol wash it seemed to pull less out?

2.) With the above in mind, I'm going to try a small run of a couple of ounces today. Would you say that it is worth the (assumed?) loss in quality, as with QWISO, to go ahead and break down/grind the flowers prior to extracting? I know you said that you don't have much experience with using manicured herb for this technique, but how about a reasonable guesstimate?


Thanks again, and if it's okay I may shoot you a PM with some more specific questions so I don't clutter up this thread any more.



edit- couple more quick q's that you may have already covered...approximately how much acetone per oz of manicured bud would you recommend? 1qt, maybe? Also, do you just use the standard 5gal bucket method, and if so, what screen are you using for larger runs?

 

[Lazyman]

Firstly, great info, and thanks very much for the quick response.

No problem amigo!

Secondly, holy shit, $200 a zip? Seriously? Out my way, if somebody wanted to buy quality BHO and could find it in reasonable quantity, $200 would be a GREAT price for an eighth of an ounce. I can definitely see why you're using trim my friend.

Yeah, I know it's worth more, they sell it for $25 a gram in the clubs, and I think mine is better than what I've smoked from the clubs too. Just need to find a better market for it.

A couple more questions if you don't mind:

1.) When I do QWISO washes, I simply pour the alcohol over the flowers without shaking or swirling, which allows for very little contact time and a much higher quality product (although a much lower yield as well). You said that by stirring the material with the acetone you noticed it drew out less chlorophyll (or rather, drew it out at a slower rate)? Or are you saying that when compared to an alcohol wash it seemed to pull less out?

Yeah I put the frozen trim into a white bucket (so you can see the color of the mix) then pour frozen solvent over it til its submerged and swimming. Then I stir until it starts to turn slightly green, then I slap on a big round bacon grease splatter guard (round mesh screen with a handle) and pour the solvent out into my filter and pans. Yes, acetone took longer to turn green than alcohol, by about a minute. Yields between the two solvents are the same when extra time is added to acetone to account for this difference.

2.) With the above in mind, I'm going to try a small run of a couple of ounces today. Would you say that it is worth the (assumed?) loss in quality, as with QWISO, to go ahead and break down/grind the flowers prior to extracting? I know you said that you don't have much experience with using manicured herb for this technique, but how about a reasonable guesstimate?

The idea is to keep chlorophyll out, so I would break up but not grind the buds. Grinding opens too many leaf edge surfaces and will pull out too much green chlorophyll.

Thanks again, and if it's okay I may shoot you a PM with some more specific questions so I don't clutter up this thread any more.

No worries, any time.

edit- couple more quick q's that you may have already covered...approximately how much acetone per oz of manicured bud would you recommend? 1qt, maybe?

Yeah I use about a gallon of solvent per half pound of trim I'd say, you should be able to stir your bucket easily like soup. if it's like chili or stew you need a bit more. Takes more pans to catch it all though, have extras handy!

Also, do you just use the standard 5gal bucket method, and if so, what screen are you using for larger runs?

I use a 3 gallon bucket for most runs, but for giant salad-bowl runs I've used a 18 gallon rubbermaid tub with 5-6 gallons of solvent. The bacon splatter guard thing fits over the top of a bucket perfectly and keeps my filters from filling up with vegetation. I think you can get them at Target etc. it's just a fine wire mesh disc with a handle on one side.

 

[Incognegro]

I may try this one day.... I always used frozen material for my bubble hash...

But I'm curious to try this out, esp since I get gallons of Acetone for $7... hmm....will think about it.