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Has anyone seen what is going on with Spice of Life?
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Well anyone can do as they see fit eh? 
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BenitoCereno
Member
Capt. Crip---I agree.
If Steve had a bit more class about it he would have bit his tongue and then dropped his new plan...maybe it would have hit the scene like a ton of bricks and maybe it would have flopped...either way now he has shown his hand. It will be interesting to see how it all falls out...
If Steve had a bit more class about it he would have bit his tongue and then dropped his new plan...maybe it would have hit the scene like a ton of bricks and maybe it would have flopped...either way now he has shown his hand. It will be interesting to see how it all falls out...
G
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you guys think this will effect seed sales as we know it?
The Cannabis industry worldwide is far too large for one person to effect it in the way people think.There will still be a market for seeds as long as people are growing and breeding Cannabis.
Micro Propagation is nothing new,if it were to change the face of Cannabis it would have already occured.The only thing tissue cultures change is the profit margin.
All you need is a clone.No breeding,no greenhouses full of work,no new strains.You could do the entire process in a small room and create thousands of clones.
If it actually takes off I'm sure he'll find himself faced with just as much competition as he has in the seed biz.Anytime someone around here makes money,it's just a matter of time till 20 guys are doing the same thing.
The competition will bring down the estimated cost of 2 dollars each considerably.Hopefully they can rival the cost of commercial vegatable seeds,2-3 dollars a pack,rather than each.
It will be interesting to see how this all developes.
JLP
My prediction on the MJ trail is that it only get's worse for MJ and once he sees the writng on the wall he'll do a swan dive out of that tree house of his.
Micro Propagation is nothing new,if it were to change the face of Cannabis it would have already occured.The only thing tissue cultures change is the profit margin.
All you need is a clone.No breeding,no greenhouses full of work,no new strains.You could do the entire process in a small room and create thousands of clones.
If it actually takes off I'm sure he'll find himself faced with just as much competition as he has in the seed biz.Anytime someone around here makes money,it's just a matter of time till 20 guys are doing the same thing.
The competition will bring down the estimated cost of 2 dollars each considerably.Hopefully they can rival the cost of commercial vegatable seeds,2-3 dollars a pack,rather than each.
It will be interesting to see how this all developes.
JLP
My prediction on the MJ trail is that it only get's worse for MJ and once he sees the writng on the wall he'll do a swan dive out of that tree house of his.
BenitoCereno
Member
I've been reading and rereading the last two lines of JLP's last post
And I finally realized he was talking about Michael Jackson...I thought he was talking about a Marijuana Trail...
JLP said:
And I finally realized he was talking about Michael Jackson...I thought he was talking about a Marijuana Trail...
Niemand
Member
BenitoCereno said:
Well, not looking to get into the fray, I support Gypsy but Steve has some great strains! I can not knock his genetics!
And Im sure (as I have read here before) Gypsy is far to classy a gent to waste karma on hate!
I think the person who "suffered" the worst in the "misunderstanding*" was the person who is currently selling his new seeds (Sweet tooth 1.1) from his house on a pack by pack basis and NOT the person getting ready for the ICMAG 420!
Jah Bless
Now Regarding the King of Publishing, I fear that he will in fact beat it again! The person who is relaying all the gory details LOST a lawsuit where they found that he (Chacon and his co-plaintiffs) acted with fraud, oppression and malice against Jackson. They were ordered to pay more than $1 million apiece for Jackson's legal fees.(this is almost UNHEARD of!)
And in fact, they signed an addadavit stating that they HAD acted with Fraud, Oppression AND Malice! So, while they "may" be good at busting medical growers, convicting MJ is something that "Im" not counting on....Sorry to say!
And dont forget, 2 of the people that they said were molested, SWEAR they werent. Britneys ex choreographer Wade and Home Alone MC!
Peace
In the end, Jackson countersued and a jury found that Chacon and his co-plaintiffs acted with fraud, oppression and malice against Jackson. They were ordered to pay more than $1 million apiece for Jackson's legal fees.
G
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JLP said:
Exactly,JLP,I concur wholeheartedly.
I don't expect to SEE anything happen with this particular venture.
I do,however,expect to HEAR lots about it :wink:
Micro-Prop kits were for sale in High Times in the late 1980's.
If I remember correctly,it was a tissue culture/slides setup....
I'll stick with clones & seeds,thanks very much! :smile:
G
Guest
Hey! I can make small clones too!!
Bigmone357
Active member
I read the bologna steve wrote at cw I thought it was a jokeRezdog said:Exactly,JLP,I concur wholeheartedly.
I don't expect to SEE anything happen with this particular venture.
I do,however,expect to HEAR lots about it :wink:
Micro-Prop kits were for sale in High Times in the late 1980's.
If I remember correctly,it was a tissue culture/slides setup....
I'll stick with clones & seeds,thanks very much! :smile:
:wink: I will never stop growing seeds it's the way of JAH the creator of all things who created seeds for all plants to thrive for AGES perfection.Steve's bred good strains by pollinating & selecting plants (That god created ) steve is a good breeder like all the rest of us mortals I think he wants to be elite and/or trying to send a message of "Almightyness" but he is human just like the rest of us stick with seeds steve it's only natural :wink: . seeds give a grower variety the way the creator of mankind intended, it would be boring if we all had the same pheno growin' in our rooms(it would be boring if humans where all the same breed) that's what makes this hobby fun variety 
& selection and "Hybrid Vigour" I like pollinating a chosen female & male making my own strains & such Growing it & it being knockout smoke i have never sold my seed though or advertise I just "GROW ON" it's fun it's my hobby i'm sticking with what i've been doing it works I always say "If it's not broke then don't try to fix it". Jah Bless 
PS. Good luck on your long journey Breeder steve
Agreed Rez
Agreed Rez
I am definitely fond of variety.And would not want to have to choose from the same 50 strains as the rest of the world chooses from.I agree that seeds will ALWAYS have their place no matter what happens.The reason for my post is simply because he is always riding someones ass for using his genetics in breeding.He's always taking shots at people(Gypsy of late being target#1).
I guess he has forgotten how many times he used others work in making his own strains.(didn't Sweet Tooth use C99 or something,and Shishkaberry used DJ's Blueberry and..................).This is the reason for me posting really.Seems like he plays by different rules than he expects the rest of us to play by.And the crazy thing is people back up these bassackwards opinions.
Everyone should strive to create something new and untested but it should be no problem to use another breeders genetics ,just don't make it the only thing you do because you are not adding anything to the wonderful cannabis gene pool.
In other words,Plant Seeds People!!!!!!!!!!Cause you never know what kind of JEWEL is right around the corner.
:friends:
Agreed Rez
I am definitely fond of variety.And would not want to have to choose from the same 50 strains as the rest of the world chooses from.I agree that seeds will ALWAYS have their place no matter what happens.The reason for my post is simply because he is always riding someones ass for using his genetics in breeding.He's always taking shots at people(Gypsy of late being target#1).
I guess he has forgotten how many times he used others work in making his own strains.(didn't Sweet Tooth use C99 or something,and Shishkaberry used DJ's Blueberry and..................).This is the reason for me posting really.Seems like he plays by different rules than he expects the rest of us to play by.And the crazy thing is people back up these bassackwards opinions.
Everyone should strive to create something new and untested but it should be no problem to use another breeders genetics ,just don't make it the only thing you do because you are not adding anything to the wonderful cannabis gene pool.
In other words,Plant Seeds People!!!!!!!!!!Cause you never know what kind of JEWEL is right around the corner.
:friends:
King
Member
First off, I'm not a big Steve fan. Sure he's done some good work. But overall he is an asshole who I don't care for. I would buy his clones though.
Capt, you'd be one of the one's to stick with seeds than. You made the jump from "grower" to "breeder", when you started making crosses. Steve clearly states his clones won't be for you than.
I myself am a grower. Now do I want the best momma I can get out of 10 seeds. NOPE. I want a clone from the keeper that is found in 100 seeds. He is doing this for us growers, not breeders.
Now would breeders be better off using his clones? That's your call. I would think so, the way crosses are being made these days. Unless you're personally gonna grow out 100+ seeds and find the absolute best to breed with.
Variety will come when he does more strains, and when others start doing the same thing he is. Shit I'd rather a breeder make a hybrid, grow 100 of his own seeds and offer the best as a clone, rather than a few seeds, that in reality might not stand up to that selected mother. You know?
Capt, you'd be one of the one's to stick with seeds than. You made the jump from "grower" to "breeder", when you started making crosses. Steve clearly states his clones won't be for you than.
I myself am a grower. Now do I want the best momma I can get out of 10 seeds. NOPE. I want a clone from the keeper that is found in 100 seeds. He is doing this for us growers, not breeders.
Now would breeders be better off using his clones? That's your call. I would think so, the way crosses are being made these days. Unless you're personally gonna grow out 100+ seeds and find the absolute best to breed with.
Variety will come when he does more strains, and when others start doing the same thing he is. Shit I'd rather a breeder make a hybrid, grow 100 of his own seeds and offer the best as a clone, rather than a few seeds, that in reality might not stand up to that selected mother. You know?
Sorry King
Sorry King
First off I'm not looking for an argument,I'm just stating my opinion like everyone else,so find someone else to argue with as I've had my share and am done!!I don't consider myself a breeder ,"yet".Right now this is a hobby for me that I am taking great intrest in.
Now if the breeders jump on the wagon with him and share in profit it would be different.But I don't think they are intrested in cutting their own throats.
If these guys are cool with it then it all good.There should just be some kind of etiquette with him planning to move huge #'s of clones.Thers a shitload of strains out there not on the market that can be used without stepping on toes.
How do you think Luke,Shanti,Soma,Eddie and the rest of the top breeders will feel about their best strains being copied and sold the world over.I think they will be bummed.
I just think the idea is unfair to people that stand to lose big money if this actually happens.I think it's a great idea to spread killer genetics to people,just notother breeders strains.Now spreading these "elite clones" would be great if the folks that discovered them are hip to the idea.If he has the blessing of the strains creator/discoverer than all is good.But to make big profit off of Super Silver Haze(Shanti's) or Sensi Star(Luke's) or any other strain on the "market" just seems wrong.
Just an opinion!
Take care..................................CC
Sorry King
First off I'm not looking for an argument,I'm just stating my opinion like everyone else,so find someone else to argue with as I've had my share and am done!!I don't consider myself a breeder ,"yet".Right now this is a hobby for me that I am taking great intrest in.
Now if the breeders jump on the wagon with him and share in profit it would be different.But I don't think they are intrested in cutting their own throats.
If these guys are cool with it then it all good.There should just be some kind of etiquette with him planning to move huge #'s of clones.Thers a shitload of strains out there not on the market that can be used without stepping on toes.
How do you think Luke,Shanti,Soma,Eddie and the rest of the top breeders will feel about their best strains being copied and sold the world over.I think they will be bummed.
I just think the idea is unfair to people that stand to lose big money if this actually happens.I think it's a great idea to spread killer genetics to people,just notother breeders strains.Now spreading these "elite clones" would be great if the folks that discovered them are hip to the idea.If he has the blessing of the strains creator/discoverer than all is good.But to make big profit off of Super Silver Haze(Shanti's) or Sensi Star(Luke's) or any other strain on the "market" just seems wrong.
Just an opinion!
Take care..................................CC
King
Member
Capt., we can be civil here. I was just stating my opinions likewise from a growers perspective. Wasn't looking for an arguement, just some discussion. How do I think Luke, Shanti, Soma, Eddie and the rest feel............If Steve pays for the seeds he grows, I can't see one reason for hard feelings from the breeders besides pure jealousy, envy, or greed. Maybe it's time for L, S, S, E, and the rest to start offering their mothers in this manner. Wouldn't that be something. Steve could never offer the original mothers unless the original breeder was involved and getting a cut, just the best he finds from the seeds he pays for and grows.
About the elites..................... did you or anyone else who has grown an elite, contact the original grower and see if it was okay for you to grow it? I strongly doubt it. Look at all the people using elites in crosses. Do I think they asked the original grower to be able to use it in a cross.........nope.
Now will Steve be able to pull this off.
I'd like to see it happen. Not only for him, but for others who will get into this also.
come now
come now
isn't growing a plant(without asking :wink: ) a little different than undercutting someones living by selling there work in this manner.How on earth do you consider this anywhere close to being the same thing 100 seeds doesn't cost shit!
Really no use in a disscussion considering we totally disagree.
Without the breeders consent it is totally wrong!Not that I really think this "thing" is going to fly anyway.
I'll grow seeds and you can wait on the micro-plants.There I knew we could agree :smile: :wink: It's more fun finding your own special plants!You never know whats going to pop up in that next pack o' seeds......
Take care King.................................CC
come now
isn't growing a plant(without asking :wink: ) a little different than undercutting someones living by selling there work in this manner.How on earth do you consider this anywhere close to being the same thing
100 seeds doesn't cost shit!Really no use in a disscussion considering we totally disagree.
Without the breeders consent it is totally wrong!Not that I really think this "thing" is going to fly anyway.
I'll grow seeds and you can wait on the micro-plants.There I knew we could agree :smile: :wink: It's more fun finding your own special plants!You never know whats going to pop up in that next pack o' seeds......
Take care King.................................CC
King
Member
Consent isn't needed. They've been compensated for their product at their asking price! What don't you understand about this? This is business in the business world. Do you offer money to the breeders who's plant you've used each time a Superfruit is sold? Does steve get a cut when you sell a pack of Blue Satellite F2? Did you have his permission to make that cross? Aren't you using DJ's Blueberry? Just curious.............
100 seeds doesn't cost shit huh? Well 100 SSH would run you $1600+USD. Now let me go get a diaper, so when you tell me you'd rather pay $1600USD and the take the time and expense to grow out those plants, I can pee my pants from laughing too hard. And that's just one strain! I'll pay $2 and take 10 of each strain of the mini clones from the best mother.
And I'll be sure and ask your permission if I ever want to grow some of your seeds that you are selling on an open market.
Take it easy Capt.
100 seeds doesn't cost shit huh? Well 100 SSH would run you $1600+USD. Now let me go get a diaper, so when you tell me you'd rather pay $1600USD and the take the time and expense to grow out those plants, I can pee my pants from laughing too hard. And that's just one strain! I'll pay $2 and take 10 of each strain of the mini clones from the best mother.
And I'll be sure and ask your permission if I ever want to grow some of your seeds that you are selling on an open market.
Take it easy Capt.
King
King
How can you make this comparison?Do you remember me commenting on strains that are on the market???Blue Satellite was NOT on the market,the parents were lost in the land of the Swiss :smile:. So obviously I was not selling something that Steve had on the market therefore I was not hurting his Buisness.You do understand this,,,yes?The only thing I've offered thats on the market is a few packs of Sensi Star F2's(around 5 packs)and Blueberry which many companies offer.There is a difference in making a cross using a parent you find growing out seeds and what Steve is trying to do with this venture.Go through the seed sites and count how many times Blueberry is used in a cross.
Do you consider this the same?Iy you see this as the same thing then cool,thats your opinion on the matter and I have no problem with it.I don't agree but I have no problem with your opinion.
I do not see anything wrong with Steve offering his strains and anyone else's that jumps in to his buisness with him.And like has been stated,it's an unregulated buisness and people are going to do as they damn well please.
My comments were made because of the way Steve bashes everyone for doing something he doesn't like while he is doing the same thing.
Why do you feel like you have to police every comment I make in this thread?
My comments here have nothing to do with you.If you have a problem with me personally let's air it and get it out of your system.If not then drop it..If you do not like my me or my comments there is a little thingy called ignore,use it.This thread is about Breeder Steves new buisness,not the captains hobby :smile: .
I hope we can move on.Take care and have a good one.......................CC
Hazey Daze!
King
How can you make this comparison?Do you remember me commenting on strains that are on the market???Blue Satellite was NOT on the market,the parents were lost in the land of the Swiss :smile:. So obviously I was not selling something that Steve had on the market therefore I was not hurting his Buisness.You do understand this,,,yes?The only thing I've offered thats on the market is a few packs of Sensi Star F2's(around 5 packs)and Blueberry which many companies offer.There is a difference in making a cross using a parent you find growing out seeds and what Steve is trying to do with this venture.Go through the seed sites and count how many times Blueberry is used in a cross.
Do you consider this the same?Iy you see this as the same thing then cool,thats your opinion on the matter and I have no problem with it.I don't agree but I have no problem with your opinion.
I do not see anything wrong with Steve offering his strains and anyone else's that jumps in to his buisness with him.And like has been stated,it's an unregulated buisness and people are going to do as they damn well please.
My comments were made because of the way Steve bashes everyone for doing something he doesn't like while he is doing the same thing.
Why do you feel like you have to police every comment I make in this thread?
My comments here have nothing to do with you.If you have a problem with me personally let's air it and get it out of your system.If not then drop it..If you do not like my me or my comments there is a little thingy called ignore,use it.This thread is about Breeder Steves new buisness,not the captains hobby :smile: .
I hope we can move on.Take care and have a good one.......................CC
Hazey Daze!
King
Member
My opinion has been clearly stated on the subject. It goes for not only you Capt., but anyone else who is against advancement, and the idea of better genetics being out there for growers to grow. I'd expect someone with something to lose to act that way.
Yes F2'ing someone is exactly the same as what Steve is doing. In my eyes whether that strain is still on the market or not, makes zero difference. In the end it comes down to using another's work and putting money in your pocket. Does it not?
I'm not against you selling seeds. You paid for the seeds, they are yours. F2 till you can't F2 no more, if that's what you feel like doing.
I'm done here. See you around Capt.
Yes F2'ing someone is exactly the same as what Steve is doing. In my eyes whether that strain is still on the market or not, makes zero difference. In the end it comes down to using another's work and putting money in your pocket. Does it not?
I'm not against you selling seeds. You paid for the seeds, they are yours. F2 till you can't F2 no more, if that's what you feel like doing.
I'm done here. See you around Capt.
G
Guest
im with the opinion that if you purchased the seed its yours. F2s from hobby breeders can be quite good. and it lets peeps with limited cash get a taste of an otherwise unattianable strain.
most guys makin seed are not makin the breeders selections, you are creatin your own line of that strain. hardly anyone is creatin there own headstash from landrace.
I could stand Ten plants of the sweet skunk plant. ands whats the SWT pheno SPG, uuuummmmmmm
CBF
most guys makin seed are not makin the breeders selections, you are creatin your own line of that strain. hardly anyone is creatin there own headstash from landrace.
I could stand Ten plants of the sweet skunk plant. ands whats the SWT pheno SPG, uuuummmmmmm
CBF
cool
cool
King,thats totally cool,your opinion.
CBF,I agree with you.Isn't the Island Sweet Skunk supposed to be a knock off of the Sweet Skunk line?I don't know if they are still producing seeds though.I think I read where Steve said that it was and their Mikado was one of the older SOL lines.I think I read they stopped makin' seed,but not sure if it's still the case.
It would be killer to have some of those originals he had way back.Sweet Pink Grapefruit is still around also.I'm sure his stuff will be the first he runs,I would definitely like to have those 2 and a few others.
After thinking more about it I would much rather grow out the seeds of a givin' strain because you never know when that one in a thousand is going to show up and blow you away.What Steve is planning will be killer for those strains you can't get in seed form but in all cases were seed is availible I would rather take my chances and have a looksy at what else the strain has to offer besides one plant.You just "never" know what is going to come from that little package of seeds????/It probably won't hurt the seed breeders much at all.Theres jewels to be found in their work....................
cool
King,thats totally cool,your opinion.
CBF,I agree with you.Isn't the Island Sweet Skunk supposed to be a knock off of the Sweet Skunk line?I don't know if they are still producing seeds though.I think I read where Steve said that it was and their Mikado was one of the older SOL lines.I think I read they stopped makin' seed,but not sure if it's still the case.
It would be killer to have some of those originals he had way back.Sweet Pink Grapefruit is still around also.I'm sure his stuff will be the first he runs,I would definitely like to have those 2 and a few others.
After thinking more about it I would much rather grow out the seeds of a givin' strain because you never know when that one in a thousand is going to show up and blow you away.What Steve is planning will be killer for those strains you can't get in seed form but in all cases were seed is availible I would rather take my chances and have a looksy at what else the strain has to offer besides one plant.You just "never" know what is going to come from that little package of seeds????/It probably won't hurt the seed breeders much at all.Theres jewels to be found in their work....................
