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still waitn on them nice pics Badmf. Picture is worth a thousand words. heh
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Ha ha ha, I agree Jubei these pix shopuld have been posted long ago, but the "new" camera locked up and they have sent a new one but by the slowest snail mail, it arrives the 23rd, hopefully!! It's been rainny here anyway so I doubt you see much other than me staying away, lol!! So soon, youll see it start to finish!!
tokinjoe
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Well hurry the hell up then Badmofo!! You get my curiousity all peaked then ya put me off! lol Good luck bro. Too bad I gotta wait til May to get my shit out. Then I gotta wait til Oct. to harvest....Stay tuned though. Ima take a BUNCH of pics and worry your ass incessantly for info/advice. Keep it green bro. Peace. 
TJ
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Heres the early shots of an outdoor spot. Click the pix to enlarge it! 
You see some camoed cans, the hands free set up with can inter-connects, some WW after the serious rain!, (they will bounce back!), pots(3 gallon) from last season, serious stream flow(it's normally a few feet and a few inches deep!) These are on a hillside so no lower or upper visibility but aerial yes, next season this will be addressed!
You see some camoed cans, the hands free set up with can inter-connects, some WW after the serious rain!, (they will bounce back!), pots(3 gallon) from last season, serious stream flow(it's normally a few feet and a few inches deep!) These are on a hillside so no lower or upper visibility but aerial yes, next season this will be addressed! 
There are no pumps but gravity, timers work on 2 "C" batteries and to re-fill the rezs, Honda wx10 runs on regular gasoline.
This was last years stuff, this year, serious camo and more rezs connected, larger pots and more plants. Now this all must be toted in, but once its in, the rest is easy street. Soon I wil post the prep pix, how about now! Rain from overnite filled this can!!
300 or so various clones
Dark energy, sm 90, clearex, neem oil, dolomite lime, Xclude 1600, Cannas PK 13/14, Hygrozyme
can inter-connects with clamps and 1/2" line
timer with barbed 1/2" line connect http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/3143DSC00084.JPG]
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spaghetti line w/ punch, grommets, interconnect, adjustable dripper, line clamp
This was last years stuff, this year, serious camo and more rezs connected, larger pots and more plants. Now this all must be toted in, but once its in, the rest is easy street. Soon I wil post the prep pix, how about now! Rain from overnite filled this can!!
300 or so various clones
Dark energy, sm 90, clearex, neem oil, dolomite lime, Xclude 1600, Cannas PK 13/14, Hygrozyme
can inter-connects with clamps and 1/2" line
timer with barbed 1/2" line connect http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/3143DSC00084.JPG]
spaghetti line w/ punch, grommets, interconnect, adjustable dripper, line clamp
Now to assemble all your necessary supplies; 1st decide how many plants, difficult to do, but imagine you are planting 15 foot trees when you pick your spot. You can and should LST or otherwise limit the "normal" profile for several reasons, camo, ease of servicing/ harvesting, and better overall yeilds. after you have that number you will need to factor the water usage for the season, ahhh a large guestimate but it can get more accurate. They will use less in springtime, they are smaller and the temps are lower, as summer apporachs, you have larger plants and more heat. Adjust accordingly. You may use as little as a couple qts aweek in the early stages and use several gallons per plant per week in June! AS the end approachs you"must" have enough water! Water isn't light so planning to have extra is easier to do when its either rainning or cooler. I have estimated 320 gallons for 25 plants in soiless with polymers and mulch. this should go from April til July or so. then a re-filling, til hopefully september and another re-filling. I must allow adjustments for higher than normal temps (which uses more) to rain (which adds some in) also plants use water quite differently by strain. As you've seen from the pix there is quite a lot of water now, fortunately for me a continual flow is present year round. Everyone won't be this fortunate. So plan ahead and save more than you may use, you can adjust it next season! You don't want to haul water, especially in summertime!!!
If you can test your set up "at home" its easier to correct any leaks and see what flow rates are from several drippers. On dripprs you can do without but if pots or locations are different levels some will get more and others not enough. the smaller black and yellow object in the above pic is a adjustable drip head, Home Depot!!bags are cheap.
Cost is a factor so heres the break down for one site of 2025 plants. Timers; Nelson Easy Set run from 10 to 30 depending on source, Ebay has had em for ten + shipping and Target for 'round 30.
Rubbermaid, 32-38 gallon trash cans with a lifetime warrnty are 9.97 at Casa de Pot, you need grommets for the inter connections, one for the timer can and two each if adding extra cans ( for a two can set-up you only need one on the end can) the end can always only needs one. these are less than a buck. so are the tube shaped interconnects for 1/2" line, and the clamps ar .45 cents or so each, you will need 1/2 plastic line, as much as needed but its sold in different lengths, I use the 500 foot roll. The hole punch and don't forget this!! lol is cheap at 99cents, you need to find a suitable hose bib for the timer can, a 3/4" with a nut to secure it and you may use a washer too. The hole for the timer bib is 1" and the grommets use 3/4"!! don't mix it up!! A good set of alkaline "c" batteries extras are smart to have, not pictured are "goof plugs" to close un-needed holes and plug lines not used, 20 are around 2 bucks, spaghetti line is variable in price but I was lucky and bought some 100' for less than 5 bucks! A 3/4" adapter to a barbed 1/2 line is needed and most springler supplys will stock em for a couple bucks, home depot maybe too! Notice the top pix, where the can is not level! This is a prolem, solved by rebar stakes and rope to the handles esp. for hillside grows!! It keeps the can from getting underwashed and tilted over and allows full usage to the rim. Drip stakes for around .50 cents each or less. Thats it! The rest are your choice of medium and containers as well as pest control, deer and rabbit repellant, and applicable tools.
Total cost is 5 trash cans ~50.00
8 clamps, 8 grommets, 8 inter-connects ~25.00 or less
25 drip stakes, 25 grow bags or pots(priced with bags) ~15.00
one timer ~30.00 highest priced source!
one hole punch, 50 feet of 1/2" line, barbed connect ~14.00
hose bib connect, rebar and rope, "c" batteries ~ 25.00
Total without medium, polymers, camo Total 159.00 !!!!!!!!! 25 plants at seasons end with only 1 lb per, thats 25 lbs!! is far worth the minimal investment, imo.
The Honda wx10 water pump is 350.oo if needed
If you can test your set up "at home" its easier to correct any leaks and see what flow rates are from several drippers. On dripprs you can do without but if pots or locations are different levels some will get more and others not enough. the smaller black and yellow object in the above pic is a adjustable drip head, Home Depot!!bags are cheap.
Cost is a factor so heres the break down for one site of 2025 plants. Timers; Nelson Easy Set run from 10 to 30 depending on source, Ebay has had em for ten + shipping and Target for 'round 30.
Rubbermaid, 32-38 gallon trash cans with a lifetime warrnty are 9.97 at Casa de Pot, you need grommets for the inter connections, one for the timer can and two each if adding extra cans ( for a two can set-up you only need one on the end can) the end can always only needs one. these are less than a buck. so are the tube shaped interconnects for 1/2" line, and the clamps ar .45 cents or so each, you will need 1/2 plastic line, as much as needed but its sold in different lengths, I use the 500 foot roll. The hole punch and don't forget this!! lol is cheap at 99cents, you need to find a suitable hose bib for the timer can, a 3/4" with a nut to secure it and you may use a washer too. The hole for the timer bib is 1" and the grommets use 3/4"!! don't mix it up!! A good set of alkaline "c" batteries extras are smart to have, not pictured are "goof plugs" to close un-needed holes and plug lines not used, 20 are around 2 bucks, spaghetti line is variable in price but I was lucky and bought some 100' for less than 5 bucks! A 3/4" adapter to a barbed 1/2 line is needed and most springler supplys will stock em for a couple bucks, home depot maybe too! Notice the top pix, where the can is not level! This is a prolem, solved by rebar stakes and rope to the handles esp. for hillside grows!! It keeps the can from getting underwashed and tilted over and allows full usage to the rim. Drip stakes for around .50 cents each or less. Thats it! The rest are your choice of medium and containers as well as pest control, deer and rabbit repellant, and applicable tools.
Total cost is 5 trash cans ~50.00
8 clamps, 8 grommets, 8 inter-connects ~25.00 or less
25 drip stakes, 25 grow bags or pots(priced with bags) ~15.00
one timer ~30.00 highest priced source!
one hole punch, 50 feet of 1/2" line, barbed connect ~14.00
hose bib connect, rebar and rope, "c" batteries ~ 25.00
Total without medium, polymers, camo Total 159.00 !!!!!!!!! 25 plants at seasons end with only 1 lb per, thats 25 lbs!! is far worth the minimal investment, imo.
The Honda wx10 water pump is 350.oo if needed
usawontstopme
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Nice run down Badmf dat ought to be quiet a high yielding outdoor grow !! I hope da best to u wit it :friends:
!! I hope da best to u wit it :friends:
Kwai Chang Cain
New member
BadMF, your timing is perfect, because I'm contemplating a similar (but much smaller) operation this summer.
Instead of using above-ground cisterns, though, I'm thinking of burying 5-gallon buckets a few feet uphill of each plant. From the buried buckets, I'd run some kind of drip line like yours. I realize I'll have to make more water runs than if I had a 30-gallon tank, but I can't leave a barrel above ground, and I don't want to bury a 30 gallon tank.
I have to be extremely low-profile because my grow site is going to be "hidden in plain sight." My intended site is in a creekbed between a busy road and a private golf course. After doing an extensive recon of the site, I believe there is a decent chance that the grow could go undetected for the summer. It's not a place where anyone from the general public could go, since it's behind a heavy security fence, and the only people in this area might be the odd golfer looking for a lost ball. I think if I plant in the middle of a huge patch of thornberry, and plant low-growing indicas, I could have a chance of seeing a harvest. The water source would be from the golf course runoff.
One question I have, BadMF, is how your drip system works without pressure. Most of the drip systems I've seen need a fair amount of pressure to power the drip emitters. I'm thinking of using one of those 1/4" soaker drip hoses, but I'll have to test it out here at home first.
Well, any comments or suggestions on a "hidden in plain sight" grow, or a smaller version of reservoir system, would be greatly appreciated by anyone. I'm more interested in the logistics, though, because I know the risks of having the grow discovered, and I'm willing to take that chance. This is more for entertainment than it is for supply...
Instead of using above-ground cisterns, though, I'm thinking of burying 5-gallon buckets a few feet uphill of each plant. From the buried buckets, I'd run some kind of drip line like yours. I realize I'll have to make more water runs than if I had a 30-gallon tank, but I can't leave a barrel above ground, and I don't want to bury a 30 gallon tank.
I have to be extremely low-profile because my grow site is going to be "hidden in plain sight." My intended site is in a creekbed between a busy road and a private golf course. After doing an extensive recon of the site, I believe there is a decent chance that the grow could go undetected for the summer. It's not a place where anyone from the general public could go, since it's behind a heavy security fence, and the only people in this area might be the odd golfer looking for a lost ball. I think if I plant in the middle of a huge patch of thornberry, and plant low-growing indicas, I could have a chance of seeing a harvest. The water source would be from the golf course runoff.
One question I have, BadMF, is how your drip system works without pressure. Most of the drip systems I've seen need a fair amount of pressure to power the drip emitters. I'm thinking of using one of those 1/4" soaker drip hoses, but I'll have to test it out here at home first.
Well, any comments or suggestions on a "hidden in plain sight" grow, or a smaller version of reservoir system, would be greatly appreciated by anyone. I'm more interested in the logistics, though, because I know the risks of having the grow discovered, and I'm willing to take that chance. This is more for entertainment than it is for supply...
Ahhhhh Grasshopper.. you have wise plan. If you can grab the pebble from my net cup, then it is time for you to bloom! jk anyway I have loads of pressure with 38 gallon cans, but gravity will take care of that, the larger your line the easier water will flow, a 5 gallon will have good pressure when its full but drops when it emptys. If your level is high enough above the site you're good to go. Do a test with a can at "home' first to test the flow rate before going ahead you may wish to may some adjustments. I don't use drip emitters except when the pots are at different levels as the flow is greater or lesser accordingly. The ones I have pictured have flow adjustments for each one. Rainbird makes these and I haven't "field" tested them yet. Last season I just had open spaghetti line dripping on em. You definitely need to LST to preserve your hidden status, remember plants get larger and water requirements rise, so be prepared to do a lot of "visiting" late in summer. You can tie in more than one 5 gallon can to each plant if you don't mind digging. Are you planning on using timers and polymer? Get back to me.
Kwai Chang Cain
New member
Hey Bad,
Well, you inspired me to get down and dirty today and climb down into that creekbed, and what I saw wasn't so pretty. Instead of the 50% odds of a grow going undetected, I'm thinking that site might only have a 25% chance of making it through the season. I'll give some details as to the geography and the particulars...
On one side above the creek is a two-lane road, which is fairly busy during the day. Next to the road is the sidewalk, then some hedges (with an extensive drip system), then a heavy security fence, and then a steep and wooded creekbank. That drip system would be so easy to tap into and use for down-slope plants, that the site began to look even better. On the other side of the creek is a very steep bank mostly covered with thick blackberry. Right at the top of that bank is a fairway on the private golf course. My access to this portion of the creek is through a waterway tunnel that goes under the road and leads the creek into the golf course.
But, once I began to walk the site down at the creek level, I could see how difficult it would be to go in and out of the area without being seen by the few houses about 80 yards away on either side of the creek. I had thought that I'd be invisible down at creek level, but I just wasn't. One positive sign was that I didn't see a single human footprint while I was down there, and given the wet ground, I'm sure that if anyone had been down there within the last few weeks, I would have seen a footprint somewhere.
Then, to top off all the other problems I was seeing, each place that was hidden from the houses was in a place where there was too much tree cover or with a northeastern exposure. Every place that would have had a partial day of southern exposure was just too exposed to the road or to houses. Pretty tough luck today. I finally determined that the best location I could find would be in a big stand of poison oak and chapparal, and hope that nobody would shove through the poison oak to see what that funny green plant was... Yeah, right.
So, I'm pretty down on that location. But I figure I have three more months to keep looking and searching for that perfect grow location. As I wrote before, I'm really interested in a "hidden in plain sight" guerilla grow, not something way out in the woods, but something right here in this outer suburb where the tract houses meet the open space. I'm talking about the kind of grow where I'm hooked up to someone else's irrigation system, in a place that's protected, yet nobody will see the plant. I realize this is a tall order, and that it's going to take a lot of curiosity, a lot of creativity, and a whole lot of hustle to find that perfect place somewhere within a mile of where I live.
But hey, I've got plenty of all those attributes, so I'm going to keep looking. I'll keep you posted on my progress, and I'll be sure to watch yours. See ya.
Well, you inspired me to get down and dirty today and climb down into that creekbed, and what I saw wasn't so pretty. Instead of the 50% odds of a grow going undetected, I'm thinking that site might only have a 25% chance of making it through the season. I'll give some details as to the geography and the particulars...
On one side above the creek is a two-lane road, which is fairly busy during the day. Next to the road is the sidewalk, then some hedges (with an extensive drip system), then a heavy security fence, and then a steep and wooded creekbank. That drip system would be so easy to tap into and use for down-slope plants, that the site began to look even better. On the other side of the creek is a very steep bank mostly covered with thick blackberry. Right at the top of that bank is a fairway on the private golf course. My access to this portion of the creek is through a waterway tunnel that goes under the road and leads the creek into the golf course.
But, once I began to walk the site down at the creek level, I could see how difficult it would be to go in and out of the area without being seen by the few houses about 80 yards away on either side of the creek. I had thought that I'd be invisible down at creek level, but I just wasn't. One positive sign was that I didn't see a single human footprint while I was down there, and given the wet ground, I'm sure that if anyone had been down there within the last few weeks, I would have seen a footprint somewhere.
Then, to top off all the other problems I was seeing, each place that was hidden from the houses was in a place where there was too much tree cover or with a northeastern exposure. Every place that would have had a partial day of southern exposure was just too exposed to the road or to houses. Pretty tough luck today. I finally determined that the best location I could find would be in a big stand of poison oak and chapparal, and hope that nobody would shove through the poison oak to see what that funny green plant was... Yeah, right.
So, I'm pretty down on that location. But I figure I have three more months to keep looking and searching for that perfect grow location. As I wrote before, I'm really interested in a "hidden in plain sight" guerilla grow, not something way out in the woods, but something right here in this outer suburb where the tract houses meet the open space. I'm talking about the kind of grow where I'm hooked up to someone else's irrigation system, in a place that's protected, yet nobody will see the plant. I realize this is a tall order, and that it's going to take a lot of curiosity, a lot of creativity, and a whole lot of hustle to find that perfect place somewhere within a mile of where I live.
But hey, I've got plenty of all those attributes, so I'm going to keep looking. I'll keep you posted on my progress, and I'll be sure to watch yours. See ya.
The only way spots like that would work, is a "nite steath op". You will need to LST and add some yellow berries, since there are none we eat. This is the only way that can have a chance. Avoid full moons too, howl! lol If you have other better camo spots, try to scout them first. Good Hunting!!
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If you do not want or can't camo 32gal trash cans to fit into the enviroment, you might want to consider digging a hole 4' wide 4' length & 2' deep hole. Line it with a pond liner, cover it with a piece of something (wood\fiberglass roofing, etc)and camo over the top. This method is my prefered way, but you do have to worry about critters getting in and using your water hole so secure the top cover well.
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Update?
How's it goin?
How's it goin?
Temporary update, couldn't run the chainsaw as its the weekend, so this week hopefully! Most of the supplies are in! So far 21 cans of which 15 are 38 g and the rest 32. Still looking for good camo flowers in quantity, though. Daisys or similar. Until then, I will post some pix of what I believe to be poison oak!!
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That is poison oak! and it looks nice and potent from the nice shiny oil on the leaves! If you come in contact with it wash with a heavy dish soap and cold water. If you have any Mugwart leaves you can rub the leaves on the contacted areas to counter act the poison oak. Carefull!!!
Kwai Chang Cain
New member
I'm getting itchy just looking at that photo!
Keep up the great work, Bad. I'm impressed by your ambition. Reach for the stars...
Keep up the great work, Bad. I'm impressed by your ambition. Reach for the stars...
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