HAARP Engineering 'FRANKENSTORM' Hurricane Sandy - CAUGHT on SATELLITE and RADAR!!! ‏

[unspoken]

No im saying this stuff is scripted.

Isn't it impossible to predict with such accuracy when they were tracking 3 storms? Wouldn't the cold fronts usually push the warm one back because it was too cold for such a tropical hurricane?

If you think they are just tracking 3 storms, then this is going to blow your mind. They are tracking everything. They input as much data as possible from all around the world to run their models, as this provides the most accuracy and best "picture" for the computers to run on.

 

[trichrider]

vapor trails aren't cloud. chemtrails certainly are not.

personal experience of chemtrails and contrails in the same sky at the same time gives me an edge here. the contrails even apperared at greater altitude. they are not the same.

some day man may even set foot on the moon...

 

[unspoken]

vapor trails aren't cloud. chemtrails certainly are not.

personal experience of chemtrails and contrails in the same sky at the same time gives me an edge here. the contrails even apperared at greater altitude. they are not the same.

Contrails are aircraft-induced cirrus clouds, and I highly doubt your ability to judge altitude/distance of anything that high while you are on the ground. Even if you were right, just because something is higher doesn't mean that the air was wet enough to support a persistent contrail.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

Contrails are aircraft-induced cirrus clouds, and I highly doubt your ability to judge altitude/distance of anything that high while you are on the ground.

I find it sad that your programming is so tight, you see chemtrails as contrails...

I've never seen a cloud or 'contrail' drip and form a long 'j' shape. I've seen plenty of chemtrails that have. You 'outspoken' are living in da nile.

Stay Safe!

 

[headband 707]

very often conspiracy theorist lack fundamental scientific knowledge

if they knew anything about meteorology they wouldn't be so confused about why the storm moved the way it did.

instead of jumping to outlandish conclusions they should spend 10-20 minutes doing some research

Now that is funny I didn't know you needed a degree to be able to see lol..
If we were to follow this logic then then all info is just not valid until a scientist says it is LOL..
You don't have to be a scientist to see the obvious faults in our society i.e. cannabis being illegal and controled by a corrupt Gov. I don't need to be a scientist to see the faults in this, do I?
The real problem with this argument is you just need a brain to see not a degree.I could go on and on here about all the BS these so-called scientists have put forth. You need to look at this world today and the fucking insane mess we are in right now. WTF is wrong with us?? headband 707

 

[unspoken]

Now that is funny I didn't know you needed a degree to be able to see lol..
If we were to follow this logic then then all info is just not valid until a scientist says it is LOL..
You don't have to be a scientist to see the obvious faults in our society i.e. cannabis being illegal and controled by a corrupt Gov. I don't need to be a scientist to see the faults in this, do I?
The real problem with this argument is you just need a brain to see not a degree.I could go on and on here about all the BS these so-called scientists have put forth. You need to look at this world today and the fucking insane mess we are in right now. WTF is wrong with us?? headband 707

Yes and before science taught us what lightning was and how it occurred, people SAW it and thought:

• Motif #1: Lightning takes the form of a frightful weapon—a sword, arrow, mace, club, spear, axe, or hammer.
• Motif #2: Lightning is an ancestral warrior, the hero god who defeated chaos monsters in primeval times. Lightning-hero and lightning-weapon are frequently synonymous.
• Motif #3: Lightning appears as a great bird or “thunderbird” with heaven-spanning wings.
• Motif #4: Lightning is the flash of an “eye” in heaven. It is the destructive power of the “evil eye,” destroying opposition.
• Motif #5: Lightning is launched from a great wheel turning in the sky, the “chariot” of the gods.
• Motif #6: Lightning is accompanied by falling stones or “thunderstones.”
• Motif #7: Lightning is the messenger of a central sun that ruled the sky before the present sun.
• Motif #8: Lighting streaks along the world axis, acquiring the form of a towering column, the axis mundi. It is the pillar of the sky which, at the beginning of time, “separated heaven and earth.”
• Motif #9: Lightning is a generative, masculine pillar. It impregnates goddesses.
• Motif #10: Lighting is a “chain of arrows” launched skyward by a great warrior or hero.
• Motif #11: Lighting appears as a ladder or backbone of the sky, whose steps were ascended by an ancestral hero.
• Motif #12: Lightning spirals, twists, or whirls across the heavens. It is a whorl, swastika, or triskeleon.
• Motif #13: Lighting appears as an undulating, fiery serpent.
• Motif #14: Lightning takes the form of twins, two brothers, or two companions, each viewed as the alter ego of the other.
• Motif #15: Lightning is two serpentine or rope-like filaments wound around a central axis (caduceus motif)
• Motif #16: Lightning appears as an equal-limbed cross; it explodes as luminous streamers, dividing the home of the gods into equal quarters.
• Motif #17: Lighting “blossoms” as a flower, the celebrated plant of life.
• Motif #18: Lightning is fire and brimstone (sulfur). The lightning of the gods gives rise to a sulfurous stench.
• Motif #19: In their violent wars, the gods blast each other with lightning. Chaos monsters are destroyed by lightning.
• Motif #20: Lightning leaves its mark on celestial heroes and chaos monsters, who are “lightning scarred,” or “thunderstruck.”
• Motif #21: The lightning-scar or wound of the warrior-hero is the mark by which he is identified or recognized.

Measurements of the Growth of the Ice Budget in a Persisting Contrail
R.G. Knollenberg
Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences
Volume 29, Issue 7 (October 1972)


“It is often observed that contrails spread considerably…Under favorable conditions, a lateral spread of kilometers is observed…If sufficient air traffic exists, an entire overcast of contrail cirrus may develop and persist for hours with rapid growth in the ice budget of individual contrails.”

Hydro-Soil- Are you trying to argue that your "nano particles" are heavier than ice crystals?
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[dagnabit]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/articles/n/nanoparticle.htm

 

[unspoken]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/articles/n/nanoparticle.htm

What do you mean by that? The average droplet size in a cloud is about 25um (i'm sure they vary in different kinds of clouds, but this was the best I could find) , or about 25,000nm. Are you saying these could be very long and thin particles? I'm just trying to understand why these would "rain down" after being spread. Seem like if they were to come down to earth it would take a long time and anything that was potentially there would be diluted or spread VERY thin by that time. I'm not claiming to know everything, and certainly don't know what the govt does in secret any more than any of you people, but I have yet to see evidence that stands up to any level of scrutiny, and the burden of proof lies in the affirmative. That's all I'm saying.

 

[dagnabit]

What do you mean by that?

nothing.
if we are to have a discussion it would help if everyone were using the same definition for terms.
"nanoparticle" is the term in this case.
if people are debating "nanoparticles" in relation to weather manipulation maybe posting an article that defines "nanoparticle" could be useful

 

[unspoken]

fair enough.

 

[HempKat]

I think you need to wise up. A pot site (with intelligent and open minded individuals all relating our experience of life) is EXACTLY the place i would expect good discussions.

I consider the engineered storm plausible, nothing more or less.

I am only interested in the truth.

ps Ventura would be more qualified because of his work as an underwater demolition expert, his many military awards and yes his leadership in public life. A rare exception in a sea of filth and cowards.

I think you need to learn how to comprehend what you read, I'm not saying stoners on a pot site can't have good discussions, never said anything even remotely close to that. Nor did I say, as you suggested in your reputation points message that there are no top secret weapons. What I did say was that if there truely was a top secret weapon that could create and control the direction of hurricanes nobody would be talking about it. You obviously don't fully grasp just how difficult it is to get the security clearence necessary to know about something such as a top secret, hush, hush, black ops weapon that could make and control a hurricane. If you had that level of clearence and knew such things you certainly wouldn't risk you career, freedom and possibly your life to break the news to a bunch of stoners on a web site. Hell if you were the type to get a top secret security clearence you wouldn't even be inclined to visit a pot web site. I have a brother who has such a clearence and he worries about who might post what on his facebook page and how that could potentially put his clearence at risk if someone says the wrong thing. He worries because having such a clearence gives him job security, a 6 figure income and a nice retirement package.

For someone who claims to be only interested in the truth you seem to shun an awful lot of feedback that is closer to the truth then your speculation that HAARP is a top secret, hush hush, black ops weapon capable of creating and controlling hurricanes.

As for former Governor Ventura, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he's a bad guy. In fact he seemed to me from what I saw of his time in office to be a far better Governor then most of our current Governors. Before he was a governor though, he was an entertainer, a showman and he understands what sells a show and knows how to give that. Him saying that he knows HAARP is a weapon came from a commercial for his reality show on tv called Conspiracy theory. He made that claim not because it was true but because he knows that people who will likely watch his show will believe something like that. I find it funny that anyone here would cite a reality show as a credible source for the truth since most of the people here have weighed in on how unreal reality shows really are. I do notice however that most people favoring these conspiracy theories will tend to glom onto as the truth, anything that even remotely seems to support their beliefs. While at the same time dismiss things from much more reliable sources such as weather.com that might disput their beliefs. Suddenly those places become controlled by the government and are forced to spread lies to keep the truth hidden. I mean the fail in logic is just mind blowing, that the government can easily shut up a souce of weather info trusted around the world but a reality show hosted by a former governor who was a professional wrestler before that can somehow get the word out without being silenced or pulled off the air and the host jailed for treason. You do realize that it is considered a treasonable offense to reveal secrets that could impact national security right?

 

[HempKat]

Hurricane Sandy was a very unlikely storm for the East coast to have at that time of year. The waters in the Atlantic should have never been able to support that type of storm. Not only did the waters support that storm but the storm also increased in intensity as it travelled north along the eastern seaboard. Living along the Gulf coast for almost 50 years has led me to believe tropical cyclones needed warmer waters to gain in strength. Now with one storm that changes the facts of weather science we have all been told? Sandy should have fizzled in strength as it headed for cooler waters as historical weather data would have indicated. Obviously there is data collected on Sandy that weather people will use for future storms headed in that direction that they never had before. Was it HAARP? I don't know.

Warm waters is only one factor that increase storm intensity another is low pressure. The barimetric pressure readings for Sandy when it came on shore were the lowest of any storm ever to hit the east coast. Also don't make the mistake of thinking that just because it was October the waters were as cold as the air temps just prior to the storm, they were not. Besides, it's the fact that the waters weren't all that warm that Sandy was just barely a hurricane when it hit New Jersey. Had the waters been as warm as they were just one month prior Sandy likely would have come on shore as a Cat 2 or even Cat 3 hurricane.

 

[HempKat]

No im saying this stuff is scripted.

Isn't it impossible to predict with such accuracy when they were tracking 3 storms? Wouldn't the cold fronts usually push the warm one back because it was too cold for such a tropical hurricane?

Like the election debates or using the terror threat to keep up the fear factor and keep up the "defence" $. All scripted.

Watch the video. Each Nexrad is in the centre of EVERY tornado that moment in time. The sky is clear directly above the Nexrad stations because the beaming angle is 18.5 degrees and they are in a tiny pocket of clear sky. EVERY SINGLE ONE!

It ties in perfectly with Bob Fletcher's info (which you haven't watched because its above you to watch youtube vids)

A youtube video is as good a medium as any. In fact its better as information can be shared very fast. If the maker has good information its just that.

Then there is this:

Weather modification will become a part of domestic and international security and could be done unilaterally... It could have offensive and defensive applications and even be used for deterrence purposes. The ability to generate precipitation, fog, and storms on earth or to modify space weather, ... and the production of artificial weather all are a part of an integrated set of technologies which can provide substantial increase in US, or degraded capability in an adversary, to achieve global awareness, reach, and power. (US Air Force. Air University of the US Air Force, AF 2025 Final Report, http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/ emphasis added)

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO409F.html

From the horse's mouth.

Yeah except if you comprehend the words coming from the horse's mouth you recognize that "Weather modification will become..." means that we don't have that ability yet.

 

[HempKat]

UNGA RES. 31/72, TIAS 9614

CONVENTION ON THE PROHIBITION OF MILITARY OR ANY OTHER HOSTILE USE OFENVIRONMENTAL MODIFICATION TECHNIQUES

Adopted by Resolution 31/72 of the United Nations General Assembly on 10 December 1976.The Convention was opened for signature at Geneva on 18 May 1977.

TEXT PUBLISHED IN: United Nations General Assembly Resolution 31/72, Annex; seeOfficial Records of the General Assembly, Thirty-first Session, Supplement No. 39 (A/31/39),pp. 37-38. International Legal Materials, Vol. XVI, No. 1, January 1977, pp. 88-94 (Engl.);World Armaments and Disarmament, SIPRI Yearbook 1978, London 1978, pp. 392-397(Engl.); Shindler & Toman, eds., "The Laws of Armed Conflicts."

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"This title alone tells us conclusively that scientists of at least several nations who have a history of being hostile to one another now possess scientific knowledge that can control damaging weather to the point of being able to use such weather as hostile, destructive weapons. Exactly which countries possess this damaging capability is not clear; however, we know that, in this 20th Century, Western Capitalism has been nose-to-nose with Eastern Russian Communism. Therefore, we can only conclude that both Russia and America possess this technology."

http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1694.cfm

don't know bout ya'll but i don't trust the government or their scientists!

it's fairly evident the hypnosis was effective.

All the title tells us is that the UN recognizes that governments are looking into and attempting to control weather and they recognize how it could have military applications and so they're seeking to regulate the practice before it becomes a reality instead of trying to do it afterwards like they did with nuclear weapons.

 

[PoopyTeaBags]

I'm sorry that is simply not true man. It depends completely on weather conditions and altitude. How long does a cloud last?

no its true.. we have contrails regular plains that will be gone with no trace in 20 mins... where chem trails last forever and dissipate into a haze over the sky... common knowledge...

 

[SilverSurfer_OG]

Yes. That was my point about Dr Livingstone. He could only mention the un-classified areas of his work. That is obvious. So he would have been working on other systems yes? This is how technology advances.

How long was it from making a fully operational stealth bomber to actually releasing the info of just its existence? How long in testing before it was secretly deployed?


No i dont have any access to secret information. What i do have is a brain and eyes to see with.

I used to love watching jets flying way overhead as a boy. They would fly up from south England and come up right to the top of the Scottish Highlands (where i was) before heading for the USA, Canada etc.

Care to explain why the contrail was ALWAYS the same, it always faded away in 30 seconds or so and was gone. Always the same, no cloud formation. Year in, year out no matter the season always the same contrail...?

The Air Force paper i quoted from is genuine. They want this technology battle ready by 2025. Thats only 12 years 1 month away!!!

So again i ask. Do you really believe we aren't at least at the test stage?

Who actually watched all the 3 vids i posted? I bet none of the naysayers...

 

[Hydro-Soil]

Measurements of the Growth of the Ice Budget in a Persisting Contrail
R.G. Knollenberg
Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences
Volume 29, Issue 7 (October 1972)


“It is often observed that contrails spread considerably…Under favorable conditions, a lateral spread of kilometers is observed…If sufficient air traffic exists, an entire overcast of contrail cirrus may develop and persist for hours with rapid growth in the ice budget of individual contrails.”

I find this interesting... it's difficult to find these 'full sky' overcasts before the 70's in photos or films. Who did (commissioned) this study?

Hydro-Soil- Are you trying to argue that your "nano particles" are heavier than ice crystals?
[/INDENT]

I'm not arguing any 'causes' here, just pointing out facts.

A: There is no flight traffic in nearly perfect grids like I see here all the time. To say that every day or every other day there are flight patterns that are equidistant apart and completely across the sky... in both directions... is laughable. I know for a fact that air traffic isn't symmetrical. LOL

B: SOMEthing is different between now and nearly 50 years ago. Nearly every populated area is overcast a good number of days now.

Stay Safe!

 

[SilverSurfer_OG]

There is also a rich history of various military agencies testing all kinds of things out on their own people. Be it soldiers, prisoners, vulnerable children or whole towns or cities.


One chapter of the report, 'The Fluorescent Particle Trials', reveals how between 1955 and 1963 planes flew from north-east England to the tip of Cornwall along the south and west coasts, dropping huge amounts of zinc cadmium sulphide on the population. The chemical drifted miles inland, its fluorescence allowing the spread to be monitored. In another trial using zinc cadmium sulphide, a generator was towed along a road near Frome in Somerset where it spewed the chemical for an hour.

While the Government has insisted the chemical is safe, cadmium is recognised as a cause of lung cancer and during the Second World War was considered by the Allies as a chemical weapon.

In another chapter, 'Large Area Coverage Trials', the MoD describes how between 1961 and 1968 more than a million people along the south coast of England, from Torquay to the New Forest, were exposed to bacteria including e.coli and bacillus globigii , which mimics anthrax. These releases came from a military ship, the Icewhale, anchored off the Dorset coast, which sprayed the micro-organisms in a five to 10-mile radius.

The report also reveals details of the DICE trials in south Dorset between 1971 and 1975. These involved US and UK military scientists spraying into the air massive quantities of serratia marcescens bacteria, with an anthrax simulant and phenol.

Similar bacteria were released in 'The Sabotage Trials' between 1952 and 1964. These were tests to determine the vulnerability of large government buildings and public transport to attack. In 1956 bacteria were released on the London Underground at lunchtime along the Northern Line between Colliers Wood and Tooting Broadway. The results show that the organism dispersed about 10 miles. Similar tests were conducted in tunnels running under government buildings in Whitehall.

Experiments conducted between 1964 and 1973 involved attaching germs to the threads of spiders' webs in boxes to test how the germs would survive in different environments. These tests were carried out in a dozen locations across the country, including London's West End, Southampton and Swindon. The report also gives details of more than a dozen smaller field trials between 1968 and 1977.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience

http://swallowingthecamel.blogspot.com.au/2012/07/chemtrails-iii5-aerial-spraying.html

 

[unspoken]

no its true.. we have contrails regular plains that will be gone with no trace in 20 mins... where chem trails last forever and dissipate into a haze over the sky... common knowledge...

“A Field Guide to the Atmosphere“, by Schaefer and Day, 1981:

“Sometimes [contrails] are ephemeral and dissipate as quickly as they form; other times they persist and grow wide enough to cover a substantial portion of the sky with a sheet of cirrostratus“ (Page 137)


“Airborne Observations of Contrail Effects on the Thermal Radiation Budget“, from 1970:

The spreading of jet contrails into extensive cirrus sheets is a familiar sight. Often, when persistent contrails exist from 25,000 to 40,000 ft, several long contrails increase in number and gradually merge into an almost solid interlaced sheet.
[....]
Contrail development and spreading begins in the morning hours with the start of heavy jet traffic and may extend from horizon to horizon as the air traffic peaks. Fig. 1 is a typical example of midmorning contrails that occured on 17 December 1969 northwest of Boulder. By midafternoon, sky conditions had developed into those shown in Fig. 2 an almost solid contrail sheet reported to average 500 m in depth.
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Here’s a description from 1970, from a local newspaper, the Arcadia Tribune, April 29, 1970:

Aircraft contrails begin to streak the normally bright Arizona sky at dawn. Through the day, as air traffic peaks, these contrails gradually merge into and almost solid interlaced sheet of cirrus cloud – an artificial cirrus cloud that is frequently as much as 500 meters deep.




Mansfield News Journal, August 11, 1957, Page 29:

“Within the past few years, the weather bureau has begun to report the trails as actual cloud layers when there are sufficient trails to cover a portion of the sky.”




From 1955: "An extremely persistent con trail might stay in the sky all day"
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=SosSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=pvYDAAAAIBAJ&pg=851,1486793




The News, Frederick, MD, March 7, 1944

“Contrails frequently have a tendency to cause a complete overcast and cause rain. In Idaho I have seen contrails formed in a perfectly clear sky and four hours later a complete overcast resulted“


And from the book “Flight To Arras” by Antoine de Saint Exupery, written in 1942 about a military mission in 1940:

The German on the ground knows us by the pearly white scarf which every plane flying at high altitude trails behind like a bridal veil. The disturbance created by our meteoric flight crystallizes the watery vapor in the atmosphere. We unwind behind us a cirrus of icicles. If the atmospheric conditions are favorable to the formation of clouds, our wake will thicken bit by bit and become an evening cloud over the countryside.
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[unspoken]

As for why you notice more of them now...THERE ARE MORE OF THEM!

Pan-Am flight map 1980:

Compared with a current united airlines map:

Or 1993 United map:

With a United 2004 Map: