Guerilla Underground Thread

[Easy7]

There is an airport in every county. At least one. Lot's of hero types out there.

Sure it makes it easy to work when all the ganja is in one Field. Don't put all your plants in one field. It's not meant to be easy.

 

[marmarb]

Was a joke about middle of cornfield. Indoors in m is my thing still under 10 grows outdoors so still learning the ropes. Especially with seeds i have a few clones ready to go out.

@mountain i just started going through you thread loving the bunker.

 

[TychoMonolyth]

NP marmarb. We're just trying to protect a brother from losing a crop.

 

[marmarb]

I can dig it.��been getting these holes dug auger makes it alot easier. What's the latest you guys are starting seeds for this season. I'm expecting to pick up some great gear this weekend that id like to run but its gonna be seeds.

 

[TychoMonolyth]

I start a round of Autos 1st week of April, and one May 1st. 1st round goes to the field May 15, 2nd on June 1st. I start all my Photos (short and long bloomers) on May 1st. Everything should be in the ground
June 1st.

I'm being aggressive with the numbers this year, so I spent quite a lot of time on my scheduling. Oh... and I have a mosquito suit for this year. lol

 

[Dday391]

I wish I had the budget for a mosquito suit hahaha. I barely have a budget for bug spray. Mosquitos suck!( literally and figuratively)

 

[TychoMonolyth]

Mosquito suits from the dollar store work fine. Get two. lol

Concerning the budget, if you plan and spread it out over the year, it's peanuts. An auger at a garage sale, a broken down car cover becomes a little greenhouse, a few windows on garbage day become a cold frame,... There are lots of ways to make it affordable.

 

[DuskrayTroubador]

I know we discussed it before, but does anybody dry completely outside?

Before we'd just discussed letting them dry for a few days and then bringing them in. I'm wondering how long it'd take for them to dry totally outdoors.

 

[iceiceice]

I know we discussed it before, but does anybody dry completely outside?

Before we'd just discussed letting them dry for a few days and then bringing them in. I'm wondering how long it'd take for them to dry totally outdoors.

i think it depends on whats the humidity in ur region , i think im gonna give it a try this season with a plant or two , i expect a week minimum , but maybe 2 weeks for drying , i live in eastern europe and in october is rain season

 

[TychoMonolyth]

i think it depends on whats the humidity in ur region , i think im gonna give it a try this season with a plant or two , i expect a week minimum , but maybe 2 weeks for drying , i live in eastern europe and in october is rain season

I'm good to mid September, then RH shoots up to a killer 100% until January.

 

[DuskrayTroubador]

i think it depends on whats the humidity in ur region , i think im gonna give it a try this season with a plant or two , i expect a week minimum , but maybe 2 weeks for drying , i live in eastern europe and in october is rain season

Very true. I live in a region with high humidity as well, rains around the same time of year as harvest.

Part of me is worried that the buds might mold... Can anyone tell me whether buds/drying plants are more susceptible to mold than plants still in the ground?

Also, I tend to only take off the biggest fan leaves when I first harvest, so there's a lot of leaf around the buds until dried and trimmed completely. Is that better or worse when it comes to drying outside and the threat of mold in a high humidity region?

Am I better off hanging branches up or whole trees as some have suggested?

I also imagine it'll take at least a week. I think, unless the weather is just awful, two weeks might be a little long but I really have no idea. I figure its taken bud about 5 days to dry inside, outside I imagined somewhere around 7-10. But then again, I never had much in the way of fans going inside while drying. If I'm blessed with good weather and steady breezes, the buds might dry in 5 to 7 days.

 

[TychoMonolyth]

Very true. I live in a region with high humidity as well, rains around the same time of year as harvest.

Part of me is worried that the buds might mold... Can anyone tell me whether buds/drying plants are more susceptible to mold than plants still in the ground?

Also, I tend to only take off the biggest fan leaves when I first harvest, so there's a lot of leaf around the buds until dried and trimmed completely. Is that better or worse when it comes to drying outside and the threat of mold in a high humidity region?

Am I better off hanging branches up or whole trees as some have suggested?

I also imagine it'll take at least a week. I think, unless the weather is just awful, two weeks might be a little long but I really have no idea. I figure its taken bud about 5 days to dry inside, outside I imagined somewhere around 7-10. But then again, I never had much in the way of fans going inside while drying. If I'm blessed with good weather and steady breezes, the buds might dry in 5 to 7 days.

Good questions.

I had a buddy that discovered mold starting in his plants so he decided to pull them, but he left one to see if it would fight back or overtake the whole plant. After a week and a bit of rain and drizzle, he went back to check on the damage. Low and behold, a beautiful plant stood upright ready to be taken down. I've never experimented with that strategy, but I have lots going in the ground this year so I might sacrifice one to the rain and frost. Last year I did witness very alive and colorful plants after a couple hard frosts. In the end though, it makes sense that damage is strain dependant.

On an 8-9 week flowering strain, I start defoliation (really heavy on the bottom) at week 4. Defoliation is all but complete except for sugar leaves at harvest time. If I were to dry on the plant (Columbian Gold method) I'd trim the standing plant as much as possible and ring the plant to kill it where it standing. If you dry indoor, you leave the sugar leaves on to curl around the buds and slow the drying process. In the wild, I'd take them off unless you're in a somewhat dry location.

Hanging the whole plant outdoors would really slow the drying process because the buds will draw moisture from the leaves, then the stalks before the buds are even ready to start drying themselves. So I'd cut the branches and hang them making sure they have a lot of ventilation and are absolutely not touching each other. Adding a tarp or cover will reduce ventilation and increase the chance for mold. So open air (between two trees?) out of direct sunlight would be best. Sun+Air can dry buds in an hour so leaving sugar leaves should depend on your forecast and drying location.

By far the best tasting smoke I even had was dried outdoor (5 days) then cured indoor, so circumstances permitting, I'll dry some early stuff outdoor this year. Maybe not completely, but enough for a dry trim a couple days later.

 

[MountainBudz]

Very true. I live in a region with high humidity as well, rains around the same time of year as harvest.

Part of me is worried that the buds might mold... Can anyone tell me whether buds/drying plants are more susceptible to mold than plants still in the ground?

Also, I tend to only take off the biggest fan leaves when I first harvest, so there's a lot of leaf around the buds until dried and trimmed completely. Is that better or worse when it comes to drying outside and the threat of mold in a high humidity region?

Am I better off hanging branches up or whole trees as some have suggested?

I also imagine it'll take at least a week. I think, unless the weather is just awful, two weeks might be a little long but I really have no idea. I figure its taken bud about 5 days to dry inside, outside I imagined somewhere around 7-10. But then again, I never had much in the way of fans going inside while drying. If I'm blessed with good weather and steady breezes, the buds might dry in 5 to 7 days.

No, botrytis is much more likely to take hold on the plant while its alive and in the ground than after harvest. Believe it or not, I have put fresh trimmed buds in a jar one time not even a day after drying started while hanging, they sit in that jar for 2 weeks before dry and not a speck of mold.

I see you spoke about removing leaves on your plants. That is fine if you enjoy it, however, outdoors especially, once the buds start getting dense and even before then in early flower its not a good idea to pluck leaves off. This leaves an open wound in the plants vascular system allowing botrytis to welcome its say in and begin an infestation. Not only botrytis but several other diseases. Does not always happen but I have been growing for many years now and most of the time it will happen.

Good luck to ya bud!

Edit: Be careful especially removing any leaves around the bud, even the larger fan leaves. Also, anytime you see mold (bud rot), spray it with hydrogen peroxide and THEN cut off and remove infected area, place in a Ziploc or air sealed bag (moist paper bags work great for this), then dispose.. This will decrease the spores from going crazy airborne by at least 90%.

 

[TychoMonolyth]

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I see you spoke about removing leaves on your plants. That is fine if you enjoy it, however, outdoors especially, once the buds start getting dense and even before then in early flower its not a good idea to pluck leaves off. This leaves an open wound in the plants vascular system allowing botrytis to welcome its say in and begin an infestation. Not only botrytis but several other diseases. Does not always happen but I have been growing for many years now and most of the time it will happen.
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Thanks for the head's up. Now I'm going to put off the defoliation until very near to harvest. I'm just trying to reduce my workload. lol

 

[DuskrayTroubador]

No, botrytis is much more likely to take hold on the plant while its alive and in the ground than after harvest. Believe it or not, I have put fresh trimmed buds in a jar one time not even a day after drying started while hanging, they sit in that jar for 2 weeks before dry and not a speck of mold.

I see you spoke about removing leaves on your plants. That is fine if you enjoy it, however, outdoors especially, once the buds start getting dense and even before then in early flower its not a good idea to pluck leaves off. This leaves an open wound in the plants vascular system allowing botrytis to welcome its say in and begin an infestation. Not only botrytis but several other diseases. Does not always happen but I have been growing for many years now and most of the time it will happen.

Good luck to ya bud!

Edit: Be careful especially removing any leaves around the bud, even the larger fan leaves. Also, anytime you see mold (bud rot), spray it with hydrogen peroxide and THEN cut off and remove infected area, place in a Ziploc or air sealed bag (moist paper bags work great for this), then dispose.. This will decrease the spores from going crazy airborne by at least 90%.

Thanks for the heads up!

Do you think it's fine to trip the fan leaves off right as I chop the plants in order to speed up drying a bit?

Also, what about the leaves that naturally just fall right off at the slightest touch?

 

[TychoMonolyth]

No, botrytis is much more likely to take hold on the plant while its alive and in the ground than after harvest. Believe it or not, I have put fresh trimmed buds in a jar one time not even a day after drying started while hanging, they sit in that jar for 2 weeks before dry and not a speck of mold.

I see you spoke about removing leaves on your plants. That is fine if you enjoy it, however, outdoors especially, once the buds start getting dense and even before then in early flower its not a good idea to pluck leaves off. This leaves an open wound in the plants vascular system allowing botrytis to welcome its say in and begin an infestation. Not only botrytis but several other diseases. Does not always happen but I have been growing for many years now and most of the time it will happen.

Good luck to ya bud!

Edit: Be careful especially removing any leaves around the bud, even the larger fan leaves. Also, anytime you see mold (bud rot), spray it with hydrogen peroxide and THEN cut off and remove infected area, place in a Ziploc or air sealed bag (moist paper bags work great for this), then dispose.. This will decrease the spores from going crazy airborne by at least 90%.

Exactly like you said.
https://www.almanac.com/pest/gray-mold-or-botrytis
"Gray mold is a fungus otherwise known as Botrytis cinerea that can affect any part of a plant and is one of the most common diseases found among bedding plants. This disease will easily infect plants that are already damaged or beginning to die. It then spreads quickly and can cause extensive damage to healthy parts of plants.

Moisture is one of the main causes of gray mold. The wetter your plants are, the more susceptible they are to becoming infected. Your plants also must be injured before they can become infected. Be careful around your plants to prevent this."

 

[DuskrayTroubador]

Well fuck, there we go. No more removing fan leaves.

What about after harvest, though? Even if you chop and hang a whole tree, there is still going to be one wound. Should you just hang whole branches, fan leaves and all?

 

[Easy7]

Mold likes sugars as do bugs. Drying plants use up their sap/sugar. No idea if high sugars helps fight disease but ya know brix doesn't hurt. A lot of systems at work.

 

[TychoMonolyth]

In a perfect world, everything would be marshmallow smooth.

I'm still going to be defoliating the fuck out of everything the week I start harvesting though. I just won't start as early as I was going to. I'll deal with issues that crop up as they do.

In all honesty, I've only seen one perfect outdoor crop and harvest. But that was only 2 dozen plants in a well tended home garden.

 

[marmarb]

Just got around to popping a few packs of seeds few weeks late but better late than never. Still have some clones and mothers that are ready to go.