What is side watering? How does it work? New concept entirely for me
Growing for quality of resin and efffect. Not for the eye .(Does water starving produce more and better quality resin)
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Artistick Seeds
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French producer grows 400 varieties of tomatoes without water or pesticides
Pascal Poot has been an organic producer of seed grown products for 20 years. He has developed a method allowing him to farm 400 or so varieties of organic tomatoes without watering or using…
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The way side watering works:What is side watering? How does it work? New concept entirely for me
In a container, you very gently water along the edges of the container and do not allow water to pool in the pot. Turning the container you water down the sides of the pot until you have run off at about 20% water compared container volume.
It doesn’t grow deep green plants like full floods and the roots kind of reach to the edges of the container and receded and build and recede and build between waterings and makes better use of the organic soil and fertigation together. At least that’s the whole theory and it’s a very way to grow. Sweeter and more flavorful fruits do result.
Thanks for all the reply's.
I'll get to you all in a min,
Just a few things caught my eye.
Some of you on same ISH page.
Noticed a few things of many years/crops.
The thing that always puzzled was when the Moroccans would leave an entire field to just dry up ,
Why would you not water it?
I'm sure we have all seen the pics
Of some shocking field, dry to the bone, plants half eaten by itself,
One stem 3 to 6 ft tall
Fully pollinated.at harvest.
They lost so much for so little xtra work an money.
Then when I spoke to them,
They claimed some years it's the best hash ever.
I thought they where taking the piss..lol.
Even now I don't think they water the traditional strains. Beldia, etc.
But the female seeds are watered.
I'll get to you all in a min,
Just a few things caught my eye.
Some of you on same ISH page.
Noticed a few things of many years/crops.
The thing that always puzzled was when the Moroccans would leave an entire field to just dry up ,
Why would you not water it?
I'm sure we have all seen the pics
Of some shocking field, dry to the bone, plants half eaten by itself,
One stem 3 to 6 ft tall
Fully pollinated.at harvest.
They lost so much for so little xtra work an money.
Then when I spoke to them,
They claimed some years it's the best hash ever.
I thought they where taking the piss..lol.
Even now I don't think they water the traditional strains. Beldia, etc.
But the female seeds are watered.
Interesting.French producer grows 400 varieties of tomatoes without water or pesticides
Pascal Poot has been an organic producer of seed grown products for 20 years. He has developed a method allowing him to farm 400 or so varieties of organic tomatoes without watering or using…www.freshplaza.com
The thing about him selling a few beans on the side
And the reason why?
Very intriguing...
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Another reason to breed cannabis under UV, not under leds that only really cover 2/3ds of the par range. And for outdoors; subkissed and if possible with elevationFrench producer grows 400 varieties of tomatoes without water or pesticides
Pascal Poot has been an organic producer of seed grown products for 20 years. He has developed a method allowing him to farm 400 or so varieties of organic tomatoes without watering or using…www.freshplaza.com
Artistick Seeds
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Because to be eligible to be listed in the official seed catalog and to be allowed to sell them, you have to create an official test plot of plants. The thousands of plants must be uniform, as must their fruits. I don't know the details, but it's something like that. This supposedly protects the consumer and guarantees a result that matches the variety's description.
It's mostly a way for the big corporations to control the market and be sure the small independant producers can't get to those standards. The seeds business is huge and they don't want to share the pie with small producers who could sell seeds who don't need phyto products to grow.
I like your obsession with mountain grown plants but you realize most of us don't live in the mountains and most of us can't grow outdoor, we all have to do with the conditions we have who are all very different, we can't all grow the same way because we don't all live in the same situations. We all do our best with our given conditions.
Dry farming is a very interesting topic, I have witnessed the Morrocan fields in the Riff mountains and most were looking miserable when I went in 99, I know now a lot have some irrigation and it's certainly one of the main factor in the quality difference between modern genetics and older ones who were not irrigated. I don't know if this method is applicable indoor where the conditions are very different compared to outdoor. Is there some indoor grows in the study or just outdoor ones?
Sativa_Top_Cola
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I don't know for sure if that would work I would not try unless you have extra plants to play with . But the plant does like very well drain soil .May be trying some lava rocks mix into the soil .Aerating the soil .
Ca++
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Seeds were $12... per Kg.
The field guys were happy enough, but now go to the trouble of irrigation. That is important.
This paper about gains from dry conditions, is at the end, when the associated slow down in photosynthesis didn't make a difference.
Another paper looked at recently, had yield dropped about 80%, but the 20% left, was 50% stronger. Or something like that. Hash from that would be interesting stash, but not viable commercially.
This is probably most applicable to the true organic guys. The people with huge pots, that can be taken to such dry levels, without things changing from dry to dead so quickly as something like the F&D pebbles I'm running
The field guys were happy enough, but now go to the trouble of irrigation. That is important.
This paper about gains from dry conditions, is at the end, when the associated slow down in photosynthesis didn't make a difference.
Another paper looked at recently, had yield dropped about 80%, but the 20% left, was 50% stronger. Or something like that. Hash from that would be interesting stash, but not viable commercially.
This is probably most applicable to the true organic guys. The people with huge pots, that can be taken to such dry levels, without things changing from dry to dead so quickly as something like the F&D pebbles I'm running
I know i can have a one track mind lol
Im huge proponent of UV in growing, having had great results with it and seen how it can change a grow, both indoor and outdoor. I was replying to Artisticks comment re drought stress in his mountain grown weed; the elevation and higher uv index would be a confounding factor in that grow and i would honestly think in the uv more likely to be the main contributor to better smells and potency.
Theres so much confusions in weed science on forums that i thought it important to point out this possibility of confounding.
Iirc this study (i read it some time ago and didnt reread when it appeared in this thread) it was all done indoor.
Im very interested in any research in increasing potency and quality. With UV im pretty much 100% convinced, though research papers might not make the best case since theres been a few studies drawing blank on uv ive seen enough in actual grows, both indoor and outdoor, to make up my mind; we done a few blind tests on different trays in the same space; every single tester could identify the plain white/no reds or uv as the bud of lowest quality in terms of smell/flavour.
Drought stress ive only ever seen this study so it really tickles my interest to have another avenue to explore
OH OK your post makes more sense if it was a direct answer to another post, not easy to know when you don't quote the post you're answering.I know i can have a one track mind lol
Im huge proponent of UV in growing, having had great results with it and seen how it can change a grow, both indoor and outdoor. I was replying to Artisticks comment re drought stress in his mountain grown weed; the elevation and higher uv index would be a confounding factor in that grow and i would honestly think in the uv more likely to be the main contributor to better smells and potency.
Theres so much confusions in weed science on forums that i thought it important to point out this possibility of confounding.
Iirc this study (i read it some time ago and didnt reread when it appeared in this thread) it was all done indoor.
Im very interested in any research in increasing potency and quality. With UV im pretty much 100% convinced, though research papers might not make the best case since theres been a few studies drawing blank on uv ive seen enough in actual grows, both indoor and outdoor, to make up my mind; we done a few blind tests on different trays in the same space; every single tester could identify the plain white/no reds or uv as the bud of lowest quality in terms of smell/flavour.
Drought stress ive only ever seen this study so it really tickles my interest to have another avenue to explore
I'll take the time to read this study if it's done indoor I might be able to replicate some of their process, I know dry farming can be very useful outdoor when irrigation is not always easy but I have never seen anyone trying indoor, it's not really the same as dry farming indoor but more drought management, I don't know what the plants look like, they must be pretty ugly pretty fast, a bit like my current grow
I have used pots too small for the size of the plants and they don't like it at all, I have to water almost daily which is unseen for me in soil. I hope I'll get at least better buds from all the stress the plants have been through this run
I have not yet try to add some UV bar in my grow but it's the next investment I plan for my set-up, I don't know what would be the good wattage for a 120x120 tent, what would you get for this?
Maybe some strains have a better response than other to UV added which could explain the null result some studies had, or they didn't have enough power for the size of their plants, I'm sure there are many factors influencing the outcome of added UV to cannabis grown indoor. The UV levels play a role in the % of sugar in the grapes who influenced the % of alcohol in the wine so it sounds pretty logical it can boost the THC levels and other variables in the flowers.
There is a member here who said to use some incandescent bulbs as UV source, are those bulbs still available somewhere because I can't find one in the shops around me, only LED now on the shelves. It would be much cheaper to get an incandescent bulb instead of the very expensive LED UV bars, are the LED for those this expensive? Or they just charge a lot of money for the novelty?
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Check my post, it quotes 2 posters, artistick being the first where mountains and UV was brought upOH OK your post makes more sense if it was a direct answer to another post, not easy to know when you don't quote the post you're answering.
I'll take the time to read this study if it's done indoor I might be able to replicate some of their process, I know dry farming can be very useful outdoor when irrigation is not always easy but I have never seen anyone trying indoor, it's not really the same as dry farming indoor but more drought management, I don't know what the plants look like, they must be pretty ugly pretty fast, a bit like my current grow
I have not yet try to add some UV bar in my grow but it's the next investment I plan for my set-up, I don't know what would be the good wattage for a 120x120 tent, what would you get for this?
Maybe some strains have a better response than other to UV added which could explain the null result some studies had, or they didn't have enough power for the size of their plants, I'm sure there are many factors influencing the outcome of added UV to cannabis grown indoor. The UV levels play a role in the % of sugar in the grapes who influenced the % of alcohol in the wine so it sounds pretty logical it can boost the THC levels and other variables in the flowers.
For UV (and again this from my own experience not claiming this to be the gospel but have tried a few things):
It seems to me like adding uv isnt as straight forward as it might look.
It kind of depends on what spectrum youre adding to. Whats your lighting situation?
Maybe this is best dealt with on pms i started writing out an answer but it got into wall of text and im off topic so i deleted. Feel free to hit me up
TLDR: soldering iron and single diodes to tweak the uv spectrum right.
Your post I quoted had no quote from other posters, at least none I see, weird.Check my post, it quotes 2 posters, artistick being the first where mountains and UV was brought up
For UV (and again this from my own experience not claiming this to be the gospel but have tried a few things):
It seems to me like adding uv isnt as straight forward as it might look.
It kind of depends on what spectrum youre adding to. Whats your lighting situation?
Maybe this is best dealt with on pms i started writing out an answer but it got into wall of text and im off topic so i deleted. Feel free to hit me up
TLDR: soldering iron and single diodes to tweak the uv spectrum right.
OK about UV it's not the subject there.
The original post i made most definitely has the quote/replys to Artisticks and Mack, but i think when you reply to/quote my post the stuff that i replied to is not carried thru to your own post
My post, seen without those quotes, definitely seems a bit odd and rambly, lol without the context all that mountain chat looks very odd and random to bring up here
Hit me up for UV if you like, always happy to help or even better thread it
Higher EC = more quality.
The only reason people don't accept that is because their nutrients are imbalanced garbage produces by people in their mother's basement, who know absolutely nothing about drugs or plants let alone drug plants.
The answer to any question is to do it right. Grow the plant with healthy inputs. Stop claiming "genetical drift" every time you grow shit weed with shit nutrients. Stop blaming the environment for your shitty nutes or the shitty method of applying them.
Crop steering just causes fungal pathogens in the root zone. Side by side analysis shows these wet dry cycles are only good for growing shrooms.
Look at any other life form. It's performance boils down to the food pyramid. No one knows what the food pyramid for cannabis looks like? Water, environment, moisture.. Cop outs.. No one is willing to learn nutrition, would rather grow shitty pk boosted plastic weed with bonus spray terps to help mask the mycotoxins and assorted antifungal sprayd. Is this where the cannabis scene dies? With buzz words and pesticide scams?
Maybe it's just an American problem, how the brains are filled with words instead of meaning. Your food pyramid for humans, in America, is sorted into industries, by marketing budget. What the fuck is a "dairy"? Why the fuck should kids drink milk? Most expensive calcium on the planet? Americans have no grasp on health or nutrition, that's why the weed in America sucks and every growers fuck up is always their best crop. You're a backwards population, Hollywood-obsessed English speakers.
The only reason people don't accept that is because their nutrients are imbalanced garbage produces by people in their mother's basement, who know absolutely nothing about drugs or plants let alone drug plants.
The answer to any question is to do it right. Grow the plant with healthy inputs. Stop claiming "genetical drift" every time you grow shit weed with shit nutrients. Stop blaming the environment for your shitty nutes or the shitty method of applying them.
Crop steering just causes fungal pathogens in the root zone. Side by side analysis shows these wet dry cycles are only good for growing shrooms.
Look at any other life form. It's performance boils down to the food pyramid. No one knows what the food pyramid for cannabis looks like? Water, environment, moisture.. Cop outs.. No one is willing to learn nutrition, would rather grow shitty pk boosted plastic weed with bonus spray terps to help mask the mycotoxins and assorted antifungal sprayd. Is this where the cannabis scene dies? With buzz words and pesticide scams?
Maybe it's just an American problem, how the brains are filled with words instead of meaning. Your food pyramid for humans, in America, is sorted into industries, by marketing budget. What the fuck is a "dairy"? Why the fuck should kids drink milk? Most expensive calcium on the planet? Americans have no grasp on health or nutrition, that's why the weed in America sucks and every growers fuck up is always their best crop. You're a backwards population, Hollywood-obsessed English speakers.
Seems like some fairly harsh words on the English-speakers world wide for someone who is very apt at expressing himself in English
heavy lifting being done by assumptions on American nationality; i might be wrong but Phyff seemed as English as they get when i met him, if there was spouting of any of these weird ideas about food pyramids, milk drinking for calcium i must have missed it when i went on the toilet or zoned out stoned between bongrips.I get that weird dejavu feeling of having met before, is this you? our old friend, back again to roam the boards of icmag, in a new suit, making friends along the way?? I might be wrong of course if so i appologise
