Answer TO IndoorMojo and Others
Answer TO IndoorMojo and Others
Jeees, it´s been a while since I last looked into the forum, and sure enough in here happened a lot.
Well, I just go step by step and answer/reply/clarify some things here. Especially in answer to the posts /remarks/accusations from Sundace & Indoormojo alias the “real McCoy” alias Evan from hydrohuts, or better deathhuts, like they are called throughout the world.
I feel that there are many people out there thinking of buying a product like the Homebox. Be it for herbs, vegetables, beautiful plants or medical marijuana. I want to give as much clear info to all of you out there. But I also have to state that I surely do not encourage and illegal activities like growing marijuana for your personal consumption, if this is against the law in your country. Please understand that I have to make that clear.
I will be making strong comments towards Evan, for I find his posts more than insulting and way below the line, lacking any substance. Else, I will keep this very scientific, basic and down to the facts, and (try to) keep emotions out.
AND: I will not be going on and answering more and more posts in here, I don’t have the time or the will to go down that road. It is enough that Evan and Sundance are BS-ing like that.
Now, let´s start:
1. Evan: you state that I give false info on phthalates, in using info from Greenpeace? Look twice, I used links from several sources: Universities, Wikipedia, Greenpeace, etc. but I am not a rocket scientist, everyone who knows how to Google will come up with the same results.
REALLY POOR is the info you rely your newly setup FAQ section on. You want to “debunk” our information with such? You link to one site. www.Phthalates.com. this is the greatest joke ever, and it is so poor from you, that I can´t even believe it.
This site is from: European Council for Plasticisers and Intermediates. And this is nothing else than the association representing European plasticiser producers.
Ever tried to get proper info from the nuclear power industry on possible risks of nuclear plants?
People, please think this one through twice!!! He basis his information on that source. I guess the Chinese milk powder industry will also give you great neutral info on the risks of melamine…
I did also contact this association myself already long time ago. They are based in Brussels. I called them, I mailed them, I tried to get reasonable info from them. But I was not successful. I guess this was due to the fact that what I wanted to know from them was not in line with their way of thinking.
Plus: you claim so loudly that you invested so much time and effort and money into research on what was the problem: where are the results??
And you also brag so much about me not knowing nothing, and just scaring people.
Let me tell you this: the people were scared because of YOUR products (the famous DeathHuts) killing THEIR plants. We had to react, and do research into the blind to be able to calm down our customers. They were and still are frightened (and had every right to be) due to the fact that your plant killing boxes were copies from ours, and with that people were afraid that maybe ours were also giving these problems. So it was and still is your shit we had to clean. People still often think the problem is related to the white inside of the boxes. Which is completely false. And they think it because of people like you and Seechance.
Evan also wants to make our tests we perform regularly look like it is not good. Well, this again proves how little he knows about such things, and shows that he never has had any of such tests done by a reputable and neutral lab.
www.sgs.com is one of the biggest and most reputable labs out there. Google them, and you will know what I mean. They would give a damn shit about a little company like us trying to abuse them for giving fake info, or using wrong limits or using the wrong methods. They have much more to lose than us as a customer.
The determination of phthalates for example: they use the method GS-MS: Evan, do you know what that is? Let me help you out here: Gas-phase Chromatographic Mass Spectrometer. Now you tell me that this is not accurate enough? You are the man. The real McCoy. LOL
To give an example: The method detection limit of the GS-MS for DBP (Dibutyl Phtalate) is 0.003% (w/w), which is about 30ppm (part per million). They were not able to detect ANY DBP in our material.
They were referring this to the limits used for children toys which are placed INTO THE MOUTH OF CHILDREN (EU directive 2005/84/EC). The limit is 0.1%(w/w)(= 1000ppm). Why did they use that limit? BECAUSE IT IS ONE OF THE MOST STRICT LIMIT FOR ANY PLASTIC PRODUCTS. Please google this directive, you will sure soon understand what I say.
The tests on the Dyes performed on our material were according to EU regulations EN 14362-1, which is corresponding to the German food law (LFGB §64 BVL 82.02.2).
The test on metals was done in reference to the directive EN 71 Part 3, which is also for children toys to be placed into the mouth. Pleas read our test to check the results, it would make this post too long to post all the results.
TO CONCLUDE: our products are better than demanded for children toys than can be placed into the mouth of babies and children (Evan: about your temperature issue: how warm is it inside a baby´s mouth? How humid? Hope this is not too much science for you now…), and better than the demands by the German food law.
WHY DID WE NOT USE A TEST LIMIT FOR INDOOR GROW BOXES? Because there is NO SUCH LIMIT available. As I stated before, I was looking everywhere, but these are the most suitable and bet fitting limits we could find.
I had this discussion already with Neuroherb. I think he will be able to proof that I have done my part of the homework as much as possible.
But think yourself: if a product meets food law regulations as well as baby-put-in-mouth toys regulations, will it be safe to grow consumables in there? Will it be safe to stand in your apartment?
2. About our products: we never ever had 1 box causing such problems. The cases described here or in the other thread about spain are not true. It is same story like with you. Eltac (Ruben) was copying our boxes, he even copied our logo, and they were killing the plants. They are still. Go out and ask people from Spain. I know, I am in close contact to Spanish people, wholesalers as growers, and I know what is going on there.
And Evan states in his post that the Homeboxes did not have a problem in Germany because it is not HOT as in Spain… This was the second time I was just laughing out loud and my wife giving me a strange look. Jeees, Evan, you discredit yourself soo much, unbelievable. What difference in temps are you talking about??? 3°C? Ever had heard of most plants growing best in temps between 20°C and 30°C? Ever read posts of people growing in Sweden, Norway, or else. Go out ask them, and then ask Spanish people about their temps. Oh, I forgot, go back to www.phtalates.com and check what these Temp differences (if you found any) are making for a difference. You really proved yourself to be so much less credible than I even thought you were.
To repeat myself yet another time: the only problem we have with off-gassing is people like Evan, Ruben and Seechance.
3. About copies/competition in general (also to answer cannabislocators post #117 in “Grow tent offgassing”):
we don’t mind copies nor competition. Well, in the beginning it was annoying for sure. But we fast came to the state of mind: only good ideas and good products are being copied, so it is actually a way of giving us credit. And we were fast learning that copies always are only copies, not the original. Sadly, the customers, due to irresponsible businessman like Evan and his soon to be called “Death Hut”, had to learn the hardest way possible. Normally, competition is good for the consumers, it keeps innovation up, and makes prices be most competitive. But this is not true if the basic rules of business and ethics are not kept. Just one example on what was really ignored by all the “me-too”-copy-sellers like the deathhut or others. They as importers are responsible for the product safety. This is the law. Seems like they did not really care.
I can exactly tell you how Evan was doing it. He received a Homebox from our dutch wholesaler. Evan sent it to Seechance (which he now claims to be such a unethical company) and said: please copy. I guess he sure was happy to get it even cheaper. But the history shows that he was missing out some major points. Looks like he was out for the fast buck, putting the health of his customers at stake.
It is this kind of copying which I hate, which makes me really get angry.
And to all the customers out there, I can only state:
FUCK ME ONCE – SHAME ON YOU!
FUCK ME TWICE – SHAME ON ME!
4. A comment to Sundance: you call the Homebox a Homobox. This tells me so much about your character. Thinking that relating our box to homosexuality is insulting me or the brand or whoever. Way beyond prematurity. Get a life, grow up, but do not expect me to ever answer to you again, this is way below my level of communication.
5. We have not been really strongly present in the USA and CA market, due to the fact that we are a small company, having started from scratch, and never had any big money backing us up. So we had to grow slowly, being really busy all time, and also we never were looking for the fast bucks, but for the long lasting good business.
Now, we teamed up with the former distributor of the Secret Jardins in the USA, and developed a completely new product line for that market together with them. They contacted us and asked us to team up with them, due to several problems they had with their former supplier.
The first container has been arriving in Oakland harbor on Friday, so be prepared to see the Growlabs by Homebox very soon. Check out www.everestgardensupply.com soon for all the info and news, or contact them directly. All stores selling Darkrooms will soon sell the Growlabs by Homebox.
Answer TO IndoorMojo and Others
Jeees, it´s been a while since I last looked into the forum, and sure enough in here happened a lot.
Well, I just go step by step and answer/reply/clarify some things here. Especially in answer to the posts /remarks/accusations from Sundace & Indoormojo alias the “real McCoy” alias Evan from hydrohuts, or better deathhuts, like they are called throughout the world.
I feel that there are many people out there thinking of buying a product like the Homebox. Be it for herbs, vegetables, beautiful plants or medical marijuana. I want to give as much clear info to all of you out there. But I also have to state that I surely do not encourage and illegal activities like growing marijuana for your personal consumption, if this is against the law in your country. Please understand that I have to make that clear.
I will be making strong comments towards Evan, for I find his posts more than insulting and way below the line, lacking any substance. Else, I will keep this very scientific, basic and down to the facts, and (try to) keep emotions out.
AND: I will not be going on and answering more and more posts in here, I don’t have the time or the will to go down that road. It is enough that Evan and Sundance are BS-ing like that.
Now, let´s start:
1. Evan: you state that I give false info on phthalates, in using info from Greenpeace? Look twice, I used links from several sources: Universities, Wikipedia, Greenpeace, etc. but I am not a rocket scientist, everyone who knows how to Google will come up with the same results.
REALLY POOR is the info you rely your newly setup FAQ section on. You want to “debunk” our information with such? You link to one site. www.Phthalates.com. this is the greatest joke ever, and it is so poor from you, that I can´t even believe it.
This site is from: European Council for Plasticisers and Intermediates. And this is nothing else than the association representing European plasticiser producers.
Ever tried to get proper info from the nuclear power industry on possible risks of nuclear plants?
People, please think this one through twice!!! He basis his information on that source. I guess the Chinese milk powder industry will also give you great neutral info on the risks of melamine…
I did also contact this association myself already long time ago. They are based in Brussels. I called them, I mailed them, I tried to get reasonable info from them. But I was not successful. I guess this was due to the fact that what I wanted to know from them was not in line with their way of thinking.
Plus: you claim so loudly that you invested so much time and effort and money into research on what was the problem: where are the results??
And you also brag so much about me not knowing nothing, and just scaring people.
Let me tell you this: the people were scared because of YOUR products (the famous DeathHuts) killing THEIR plants. We had to react, and do research into the blind to be able to calm down our customers. They were and still are frightened (and had every right to be) due to the fact that your plant killing boxes were copies from ours, and with that people were afraid that maybe ours were also giving these problems. So it was and still is your shit we had to clean. People still often think the problem is related to the white inside of the boxes. Which is completely false. And they think it because of people like you and Seechance.
Evan also wants to make our tests we perform regularly look like it is not good. Well, this again proves how little he knows about such things, and shows that he never has had any of such tests done by a reputable and neutral lab.
www.sgs.com is one of the biggest and most reputable labs out there. Google them, and you will know what I mean. They would give a damn shit about a little company like us trying to abuse them for giving fake info, or using wrong limits or using the wrong methods. They have much more to lose than us as a customer.
The determination of phthalates for example: they use the method GS-MS: Evan, do you know what that is? Let me help you out here: Gas-phase Chromatographic Mass Spectrometer. Now you tell me that this is not accurate enough? You are the man. The real McCoy. LOL
To give an example: The method detection limit of the GS-MS for DBP (Dibutyl Phtalate) is 0.003% (w/w), which is about 30ppm (part per million). They were not able to detect ANY DBP in our material.
They were referring this to the limits used for children toys which are placed INTO THE MOUTH OF CHILDREN (EU directive 2005/84/EC). The limit is 0.1%(w/w)(= 1000ppm). Why did they use that limit? BECAUSE IT IS ONE OF THE MOST STRICT LIMIT FOR ANY PLASTIC PRODUCTS. Please google this directive, you will sure soon understand what I say.
The tests on the Dyes performed on our material were according to EU regulations EN 14362-1, which is corresponding to the German food law (LFGB §64 BVL 82.02.2).
The test on metals was done in reference to the directive EN 71 Part 3, which is also for children toys to be placed into the mouth. Pleas read our test to check the results, it would make this post too long to post all the results.
TO CONCLUDE: our products are better than demanded for children toys than can be placed into the mouth of babies and children (Evan: about your temperature issue: how warm is it inside a baby´s mouth? How humid? Hope this is not too much science for you now…), and better than the demands by the German food law.
WHY DID WE NOT USE A TEST LIMIT FOR INDOOR GROW BOXES? Because there is NO SUCH LIMIT available. As I stated before, I was looking everywhere, but these are the most suitable and bet fitting limits we could find.
I had this discussion already with Neuroherb. I think he will be able to proof that I have done my part of the homework as much as possible.
But think yourself: if a product meets food law regulations as well as baby-put-in-mouth toys regulations, will it be safe to grow consumables in there? Will it be safe to stand in your apartment?
2. About our products: we never ever had 1 box causing such problems. The cases described here or in the other thread about spain are not true. It is same story like with you. Eltac (Ruben) was copying our boxes, he even copied our logo, and they were killing the plants. They are still. Go out and ask people from Spain. I know, I am in close contact to Spanish people, wholesalers as growers, and I know what is going on there.
And Evan states in his post that the Homeboxes did not have a problem in Germany because it is not HOT as in Spain… This was the second time I was just laughing out loud and my wife giving me a strange look. Jeees, Evan, you discredit yourself soo much, unbelievable. What difference in temps are you talking about??? 3°C? Ever had heard of most plants growing best in temps between 20°C and 30°C? Ever read posts of people growing in Sweden, Norway, or else. Go out ask them, and then ask Spanish people about their temps. Oh, I forgot, go back to www.phtalates.com and check what these Temp differences (if you found any) are making for a difference. You really proved yourself to be so much less credible than I even thought you were.
To repeat myself yet another time: the only problem we have with off-gassing is people like Evan, Ruben and Seechance.
3. About copies/competition in general (also to answer cannabislocators post #117 in “Grow tent offgassing”):
we don’t mind copies nor competition. Well, in the beginning it was annoying for sure. But we fast came to the state of mind: only good ideas and good products are being copied, so it is actually a way of giving us credit. And we were fast learning that copies always are only copies, not the original. Sadly, the customers, due to irresponsible businessman like Evan and his soon to be called “Death Hut”, had to learn the hardest way possible. Normally, competition is good for the consumers, it keeps innovation up, and makes prices be most competitive. But this is not true if the basic rules of business and ethics are not kept. Just one example on what was really ignored by all the “me-too”-copy-sellers like the deathhut or others. They as importers are responsible for the product safety. This is the law. Seems like they did not really care.
I can exactly tell you how Evan was doing it. He received a Homebox from our dutch wholesaler. Evan sent it to Seechance (which he now claims to be such a unethical company) and said: please copy. I guess he sure was happy to get it even cheaper. But the history shows that he was missing out some major points. Looks like he was out for the fast buck, putting the health of his customers at stake.
It is this kind of copying which I hate, which makes me really get angry.
And to all the customers out there, I can only state:
FUCK ME ONCE – SHAME ON YOU!
FUCK ME TWICE – SHAME ON ME!
4. A comment to Sundance: you call the Homebox a Homobox. This tells me so much about your character. Thinking that relating our box to homosexuality is insulting me or the brand or whoever. Way beyond prematurity. Get a life, grow up, but do not expect me to ever answer to you again, this is way below my level of communication.
5. We have not been really strongly present in the USA and CA market, due to the fact that we are a small company, having started from scratch, and never had any big money backing us up. So we had to grow slowly, being really busy all time, and also we never were looking for the fast bucks, but for the long lasting good business.
Now, we teamed up with the former distributor of the Secret Jardins in the USA, and developed a completely new product line for that market together with them. They contacted us and asked us to team up with them, due to several problems they had with their former supplier.
The first container has been arriving in Oakland harbor on Friday, so be prepared to see the Growlabs by Homebox very soon. Check out www.everestgardensupply.com soon for all the info and news, or contact them directly. All stores selling Darkrooms will soon sell the Growlabs by Homebox.
