Grandpa’s Sativa Grow

[romanoweed]

this one must go deep into the heart.
beautiful those thais
cant believe this squirril tail 4 looks soo good.

 

[GrandpaMillenial]

this one must go deep into the heart.
beautiful those thais
cant believe this squirril tail 4 looks soo good.

Hello Romanoweed!

Thank you for your kind words. I am passionately chasing those sativa genetics!

 

[MAHA KALA]

Thanks Maha Kala!

I didnt know I needed some James Brown in my life today! But that hit the spot!

you are welcomed, my pleasure JB gave you some energy.

curious about your flos. not so long time ago I grew flo91 x old time moonshine. look at it:

https://www.icmag.com/media/albums/flootm.15252424/

 

[GrandpaMillenial]

you are welcomed, my pleasure JB gave you some energy.

curious about your flos. not so long time ago I grew flo91 x old time moonshine. look at it:

https://www.icmag.com/media/albums/flootm.15252424/

Nice plants!

This is my first run of flo. She was seriously stunted when I cloned her and shes just not spreading her wings yet, maybe I have a more indica leaning sample.

I gave away clones to 3 different friends who are growing her outside, they all are having the same issue, she just isn’t streching out.

 

[MAHA KALA]

I think that flo is 60% sativa only, and with stature of indica, so it needs long veg time, ideal for outdoors at northern hemisphere, as when you plant it at May, it can have good size at October... I really liked flo/otm, but as sativa lover... it was not sativa enough for me, thats why I crossed it with haze and now it has stretch I need...

 

[GrandpaMillenial]

I think that flo is 60% sativa only, and with stature of indica, so it needs long veg time, ideal for outdoors at northern hemisphere, as when you plant it at May, it can have good size at October... I really liked flo/otm, but as sativa lover... it was not sativa enough for me, thats why I crossed it with haze and now it has stretch I need...

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Thats a fantastic looking plant. I hope my flo male successfully polinates the squirrel tail.

Its a month old pic, but we have all the mothers flowering on some old blurples. A single male flo is in there with flo female, both panamas and the thai.

 

[MAHA KALA]

Thats a fantastic looking plant. I hope my flo male successfully polinates the squirrel tail.

Its a month old pic, but we have all the mothers flowering on some old blurples. A single male flo is in there with flo female, both panamas and the thai.
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thanks.

wish you good luck as some males from Dj Short have no pollen or pollen is sterile. so fingers crossed, sound like good plan bro... there is some thai in flo, so you could get some very good combination imo.

 

[GrandpaMillenial]

Yesterday, performed a heavy defoliation on the thai girls, in an attempt to slow down growth. Then topped all terminal nodes.

Mild deleaf and removal of lower shoots on panama.

Removed a few leaves on flo that were receiving almost zero light. Used ties to open her up and raised the pot about 2 inches, 5 cm.

Feed the girls
4 gallons water
1 tsp protekt
3 tsp calmag plus
3 tsp jacks bloom boost 10-30-20
1 tbsp molasses
ph 6.55
ec 1.4

 

[GrandpaMillenial]

Finally made it over to my buddys house. We have a flowering tent were we are attempting some crosses, and he has a primary tent which is now in day 1 of flowering.

Seed tent running the semi-retired mars hydro blurples

our flo male:

Our flo female, same clone i have,

ace panamas

finally zomia squirrel tail #4,
this plant was viciously topped multiple times

unfortunately… I am not seeing any signs of seeds from this grow, maybe i had a sterile male?

 

[GrandpaMillenial]

Gave the girls a good watering.

No nutes, No calmag,
just a peice of dried out loam hoping to get some sand silt and clay in suspension.
some molasses and some great white myco.

ph’d to 6.6 with aquarium ph down (sulfuric acid)

almost zero run off

Girls are perking up from my last defoliation. Time to just enjoy the show.

“Strechy” the panama in the back right is still reaching for the sky with her big fans.

 

[GrandpaMillenial]

Day 21 since flipping lights to 11/13.

I thought I was done picking fan leaves, but Flo was getting crowded out and leaves were pilling up along the edges.

Gave them a watering
5 gallons water
1 tsp protekt silica
2tsp calmag plus
1 tsp epsom salt
12 tsp of an old bottle of Fox Farms Big Bud 0-0.5-0.7
1/4 tsp great white myco
This had an EC of 650-700, u fortunately I was measuring in ppm on 500 scale so i dont have the exact number was around 340ppm

Panama is forming some nice buds.

Flo is building up some buds

under canopy of front right thai

under canopy of “strawberry” front left panama

More topping and tucking of the thai plants, this is right inline with how the plants reacted in the blurple tent.

 

[Benny106]

#winning

 

[GrandpaMillenial]

#winning

Thanks, BeAn v.2.0!

 

[Piff_cat]

Thank you, I had just started testing the waters with a first real dose of nutrients. I’ve noticed the beginning of some claws, (I had some more serious claws when I ran the Blueberry).

I wont be giving much more 20-20-20 as I am now in flowering.

Next feed will probably be straight bloom booster, 10-30-20, with a little cal mag. And speaking of calcium…

I was looking at mulders chart…
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and I feel that excess calcium may be slowing the phosphorus/potassium/magnesium uptake and leading to purple/woody stems that so many people like to point out. Personally, Ive never been to concerned with purple stems, but when they are stiff and difficult to train, I start to wonder.

You have extensive experience with the Blue family, what are your thoughts on calcium sensitivity in the blue family?

fyi- red/purple stems arent always a deficiency in fact in djs lines they come from the oregon purple thai or oaxacan side and are genetic. alot of high terpene/cannabinoid plants have the colored xylem due to a mutant CAD gene which causes abnormal amounts of aldehydes and phenols into the lignin. this is a result of increased precursor available due to the plant being unable to convert cinnamic alcohols last change into lignin.ive found if it is not genetic is usually a low root zone/rez temp but looks like yours are perfect heres an article of red xylem mulberry from japan if your interested. really nice plants mang

A Century-Old Mystery Unveiled: Sekizaisou is a Natural Lignin Mutant

Sekizaisou, a red-wood mulberry variety used in traditional sericulture, is a naturally occurring lignin mutant.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[GrandpaMillenial]

fyi- red/purple stems arent always a deficiency in fact in djs lines they come from the oregon purple thai or oaxacan side and are genetic. alot of high terpene/cannabinoid plants have the colored xylem due to a mutant CAD my gene which causes abnormal amounts of aldehydes and phenols into the lignin. this is a result of increased precursor available due to the plant being unable to convert cinnamic alcohols last change into lignin.ive found if it is not genetic is usually a low root zone/rez temp but looks like yours are perfect heres an article of red xylem mulberry from japan if your interested. really nice plants mang

A Century-Old Mystery Unveiled: Sekizaisou is a Natural Lignin Mutant

Sekizaisou, a red-wood mulberry variety used in traditional sericulture, is a naturally occurring lignin mutant.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Thank you piff_cat!

Ive never felt overly concerned with the purple or red stems and had attributed those traits to genetics and or phosphorus/potassium deficiencies.

when my branches on a previously grown Blueberry where thin and hard, difficult to bend, i felt i was doing something wrong

the more i look around here, the more i see it on dj’s gear, ive grown a few blueberry mixes. but this my second grow involving pure dj short genetics.

 

[Piff_cat]

here is some good pics to show you from snowhighs chocolate thai line which he believes to be the same as dj used. oregon prple thai used in blueberry and flo is a mating between choc thai and oaxacan. snowhigh has some really cool pics of the choc here they are

in this pic you can see the kind of droopy character that comes along with a cad mutant. also ive noticed that haze etc have the candycane stripe in stems. this seems to be a hetergeous situation where one parental held the trait and the other did not. the various combinations of this hetero condition probably create some diversity in the profiles. i have not grown alot of djs stuff but he is a great breeder who wrote alot about these mutant types.thanks for sharing these beautiful ladies

 

[GrandpaMillenial]

here is some good pics to show you from snowhighs chocolate thai line which he believes to be the same as dj used. oregon prple thai used in blueberry and flo is a mating between choc thai and oaxacan. snowhigh has some really cool pics of the choc here they are
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in this pic you can see the kind of droopy character that comes along with a cad mutant. also ive noticed that haze etc have the candycane stripe in stems. this seems to be a hetergeous situation where one parental held the trait and the other did not. the various combinations of this hetero condition probably create some diversity in the profiles. i have not grown alot of djs stuff but he is a great breeder who wrote alot about these mutant types.thanks for sharing these beautiful ladies

Yeah wow, I was wondering how a plant with lignin issues would have woody stems, but maybe its expressing with the droopy leaves.

My blueberry was stripped like that, cant find any pics from that grow, I gotta a few seeds from it though.

Interesting stuff by snowhighseeds! I just spent a few minutes checking out there instagram.

 

[GrandpaMillenial]

My current Flo is just so squat,

Im seriously considering just moving her to the corner and bringing one of my outside Flo girls into the tent inplace of the existing Flo.

2 Flo
Ethos genetics Freebie seed called purple fantasy is in the middle

Here is how purple fantasy turned out in my previous grow

 

[GrandpaMillenial]

I brought one of my outside Flo girls lol indoors, after a bath in some Lost Coast Plant Therapy, just to make sure no aphids were hitching a ride.

This flo had some whorled twisted leaves, and you can see from topping, she has that hollow stem.

Existing flo got a little haircut, some small leaves where not getting any light and just twisting up in a mass.

Now my garden has 6 girls. With a staggered harvest of flo.

The thai girls are just start to create some little budlets.

Now, Ace’s Panama is truly stealing the show, check out all of those intense white hairs.

I gave the girls a feeding today.

Started.
5 gallons dechlorinated tap,
1tsp protekt,
3tsp calmag
3/4 tsp epsom salt
3tsp jacks bloom 10-30-20
just pouring the molasses in on top,
ph at 6.5
ec 1120-ish

I gave each plant a little bit of that,
Stretchy and new flo got a decent heavy feeding.

Then The Flo’ i cut it back with some calmag’d water with some fox farms big bud 0-0.5-0.7 and a touch of some great white myco to help ensure I dont over nitrogen.
ec 740-ish

Then I just mixed the tailing from each bucket and gave a little to each plant.

This would be the first time my girls had some decent water over flow.

cleaned around the plant and raised the lights just a bit.

 

[Kimes]

Looking real good there. Watching this topic for sure!! Really happy to see some male flowering pics, quite rare usually..