Ogstradamus
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Do you smoke anything besides GDP X BD?
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HYDRO KING
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YUP
YUP
I SMOKE AND GROW
GDP
PURPLE PRINCESS
GDP X BD
WHITE WIDOW
LAVENDAR #2
GOD "REEFERMAN SEED BANK"
YUP
I SMOKE AND GROW
GDP
PURPLE PRINCESS
GDP X BD
WHITE WIDOW
LAVENDAR #2
GOD "REEFERMAN SEED BANK"
Zamboni Driver
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anyways
if u got a sensi seeds bb male and wanted to cross it you might not find that special pheno that was originally used for gdp
and where do u find a true urkle clone?
please do tell, id love to know
i thought it was clone only because
it was too unstable to make seeds and when
seeds are made they dont come out like the desired product
i thought this was true with many strains such as
trainwreck
og kush
strawberry cough
ecsd
i dunno
peace
if u got a sensi seeds bb male and wanted to cross it you might not find that special pheno that was originally used for gdp
and where do u find a true urkle clone?
please do tell, id love to know
i thought it was clone only because
it was too unstable to make seeds and when
seeds are made they dont come out like the desired product
i thought this was true with many strains such as
trainwreck
og kush
strawberry cough
ecsd
i dunno
peace
Humboldt Hippie said:
It's not that easy Humboldt Hippie...In order to do that you would first need to know the exact Sensi Big bud pheno and Purple Urkle phenotype that were used to create the GDP strain.That would take quite some time an possibly never be found.
Next you would have to grow the new Purple Urkle x Sensi Big Bud crosses seeds and look for the GDP pheno which again may never be found.
Rodelization is Somas way of creating/obtaining natural female seeds but could also work for a cross if taken from the GDP clone.
I will post the whole Rodelization technique in a minute but first I must explain how the rodelization would work for making GDP seeds and female ones at that (again you will have to find a pheno but this way it has a damn good chance of showing up).
You will need atleast two GDP clones for this.Both are grown out to peak ripeness but take clones from these clones before flowering.Let the original clones flower for 2-3 weeks longer than normal in hopes of a male banana showing.A few days before the banana opens and spreads pollen cut the plant down and cover with a bag to collect the pollen when the banana opens.
While the new GDP clones (the clones you took from the original) are in the early-mid flower stage apply the pollen with a paintbrush to new stigmas/flower hairs.Wait for the buds and seeds to ripen,viola...GDP seeds 100% female to add!!!
The seeds can be sold to whomever wants them,and like any other pack of seeds it is up to the grower to grow the pack out and find the suitable pheno they wish to obtain!!
Rodelization: The Soma way of female seeds
The following is an article written in High Times' 2006 Seed Guide
Creating feminized cannabis seeds is an art.Just like art,there are a few different methods of application.I have written about some of my different methods of making seeds in previous HIGH TIMES articles.I have used gibberellic acid,PH stress,light stress and fertilizer stress to force my female plants to make seeds.All of these methods are harsh on the plants,and some,like the gibberellic acid,are not organic.In my search for cleaner,more earth-friendly ways of working with the cannabis plant,I have found a new to make feminized seeds.
Feminized seeds occur as a result of stress rather than genetics.All cannabis plants can and will make male flowers under stress.Certain strains like a higher pH,some a lower one.Some like a lot of food,some like much less.There is quite a lot of variety in marijuana genetics,and you can't treat every plant the same way.
It takes many harvests before you really get to know a particular strain.Just like getting to know human friends,it takes time.I have grown the same strains for close to a decade and am truly getting to know every nuance the different plants exhibit.I can recognize them from a distance.I must say that I got a lot of help from my friends,both in making seeds and in learning new and better ways of working with this sacred plant.
I named this new method "Rodelization" after a friend who helped me realize and make use of this way of creating female seeds.After growing crop after crop of the same plants in the same conditions,I noticed that if I flowered the plants 10-14 days longer than usual,they would develop male "bananas".A male banana is a very slight male flower on a female marijuana plant that is formed because of stress.Usually they do not let out any pollen early enough to make seeds,but they sometimes do.They are built-in safety factors so that in case of severe conditions,the plant can make sure the species is furthered.
To me,a male banana is quite beautiful thing.It has the potential of making all-female seeds.Many growers out there have male banana phobia.They see one and have heart palpitations;they want to cut down the entire crop,or at the very least take tweezers and pluck the little yellow emergency devices out.I call them "emergency devices" because they emerge at times of stress.
In the Rodelization method,the male banana is very valuable.After growing your female plants 10-14 days longer than usual,hang them up to dry,then carefully take them off the drying lines and inspect for bananas.Each and every banana should be removed and placed in a small bag labeled very accurately.These sealed bags can be placed in the fridge for one or two months and still remain potent.
For the next phase,you need to have a seperate crop that's already 2.5 weeks into flowering.Take your sealed bags of pollen out of the fridge,and proceed to impregnate your new crop of females.To do this,you must first match the female plant and the pollen from the same strain in the previous crop.Shut down all the fans in the grow room.Then take a very fine paintbrush,dip it in the bag of pollen and paint it on the female flower.Do this to each different strain you have growing together.I have done it with up to 10 different kinds in the same room with great success.
I use the lower flowers to make seeds,leaving the top colas seedless for smoking.This method takes time (two crops),but is completely organic and lets you have great-quality smoke at the same time you make your female seeds.If you're one of those groweres who's never grown seeds for fear of not having something good to smoke,you will love this method.
You can also use this pollen to make new female crosses by cross-pollinating.The older females with the male bananas can be brought into the room with the younger,unpollinated females when they are three weeks into flowering.Turn all of the circulation fans on high,and the little bits of pollen will proceed to make it around the room.Do this for several days.Six to seven weeks later,you will have ripe 100% feminized seeds-not nearly as many as a male plant would make,but enough to start over somewhere else with the same genetics.
As a farmer who has been forced to move his genetics far away from where they started,I know very well the value of seeds.My friend Adam from TH-Seeds in Amsterdam has a motto that I love to borrow these days: "Drop seeds,not bombs".
The following is an article written in High Times' 2006 Seed Guide
Creating feminized cannabis seeds is an art.Just like art,there are a few different methods of application.I have written about some of my different methods of making seeds in previous HIGH TIMES articles.I have used gibberellic acid,PH stress,light stress and fertilizer stress to force my female plants to make seeds.All of these methods are harsh on the plants,and some,like the gibberellic acid,are not organic.In my search for cleaner,more earth-friendly ways of working with the cannabis plant,I have found a new to make feminized seeds.
Feminized seeds occur as a result of stress rather than genetics.All cannabis plants can and will make male flowers under stress.Certain strains like a higher pH,some a lower one.Some like a lot of food,some like much less.There is quite a lot of variety in marijuana genetics,and you can't treat every plant the same way.
It takes many harvests before you really get to know a particular strain.Just like getting to know human friends,it takes time.I have grown the same strains for close to a decade and am truly getting to know every nuance the different plants exhibit.I can recognize them from a distance.I must say that I got a lot of help from my friends,both in making seeds and in learning new and better ways of working with this sacred plant.
I named this new method "Rodelization" after a friend who helped me realize and make use of this way of creating female seeds.After growing crop after crop of the same plants in the same conditions,I noticed that if I flowered the plants 10-14 days longer than usual,they would develop male "bananas".A male banana is a very slight male flower on a female marijuana plant that is formed because of stress.Usually they do not let out any pollen early enough to make seeds,but they sometimes do.They are built-in safety factors so that in case of severe conditions,the plant can make sure the species is furthered.
To me,a male banana is quite beautiful thing.It has the potential of making all-female seeds.Many growers out there have male banana phobia.They see one and have heart palpitations;they want to cut down the entire crop,or at the very least take tweezers and pluck the little yellow emergency devices out.I call them "emergency devices" because they emerge at times of stress.
In the Rodelization method,the male banana is very valuable.After growing your female plants 10-14 days longer than usual,hang them up to dry,then carefully take them off the drying lines and inspect for bananas.Each and every banana should be removed and placed in a small bag labeled very accurately.These sealed bags can be placed in the fridge for one or two months and still remain potent.
For the next phase,you need to have a seperate crop that's already 2.5 weeks into flowering.Take your sealed bags of pollen out of the fridge,and proceed to impregnate your new crop of females.To do this,you must first match the female plant and the pollen from the same strain in the previous crop.Shut down all the fans in the grow room.Then take a very fine paintbrush,dip it in the bag of pollen and paint it on the female flower.Do this to each different strain you have growing together.I have done it with up to 10 different kinds in the same room with great success.
I use the lower flowers to make seeds,leaving the top colas seedless for smoking.This method takes time (two crops),but is completely organic and lets you have great-quality smoke at the same time you make your female seeds.If you're one of those groweres who's never grown seeds for fear of not having something good to smoke,you will love this method.
You can also use this pollen to make new female crosses by cross-pollinating.The older females with the male bananas can be brought into the room with the younger,unpollinated females when they are three weeks into flowering.Turn all of the circulation fans on high,and the little bits of pollen will proceed to make it around the room.Do this for several days.Six to seven weeks later,you will have ripe 100% feminized seeds-not nearly as many as a male plant would make,but enough to start over somewhere else with the same genetics.
As a farmer who has been forced to move his genetics far away from where they started,I know very well the value of seeds.My friend Adam from TH-Seeds in Amsterdam has a motto that I love to borrow these days: "Drop seeds,not bombs".
HYDRO KING
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IF I WANTED TO
IF I WANTED TO
I CAN GET THE PURP-L URK-L.
IF I WANTED TO
I CAN GET THE PURP-L URK-L.
Zamboni Driver
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hahaha
HYDRO KING
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WHO WAS THE
WHO WAS THE
ONE THAT SAID I LIKE "MY TROLL" NAKED THAT IS FUNNY MAN.
WHO WAS THE
ONE THAT SAID I LIKE "MY TROLL" NAKED THAT IS FUNNY MAN.
HYDRO KING
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HEY J, LONG TIME NO SEE
HEY J, LONG TIME NO SEE
HEY J, LONG TIME NO SEE
HEY J STILL GROWING OUT OF YA MOMS CLOSET, HEY BRO YA GOING TO BE OVER MY HOUSE THIS WEEKEND I NEED TO TAKE A HUNDRED CLONES FOR THE BARN OUT BACK.Jnugg said:
HYDRO KING
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I WILL POST A NEW GROW SHOW
I WILL POST A NEW GROW SHOW
CANT DO THE OUTSIDE OF THE BARN, BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK OF ME HAVING A GROW SHOW, IN A NEW THREAD
I WILL POST A NEW GROW SHOW
CANT DO THE OUTSIDE OF THE BARN, BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK OF ME HAVING A GROW SHOW, IN A NEW THREAD
Ogstradamus
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Please man...caps lock?
harmonious_flow
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so i was planning on using the rodelization technique for male gdp pollen. i was planning on using it on trainwreck but can also pollenate another gdp. but this is what i wonder. if some of the desired phenos are heterozygous (Xx) then wouldnt the offspring offer 3 different gene possibilities, which could be mixed and matched with other traits, for instance using just taste and smell, T=taste we want, t=taste we dont, S=smell we want s=smell we dont so the clone genes are (TtSs)so TtSs x TtSs) = TTSS TTss TTSs TtSS Ttss TtSs ttSS ttss ttSs all offspring phenos. so 1/3 would not have the taste or smell? i am just learning about breeding. i was just wondering the same thing about the gdp x trainwreck if i should just keep the good clone or try to cross two clones to get seeds. i assume there are more steps after this that allow for backcrossing once you know whats what. am i really stoned here?? any possibilities of hybrid vigour? also i read somewhere male pollen affects certain phenos whereas the mother affects others? like the male influences the baby\'s taste? this should be a fun experiment.
G
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what? sensi's big bud has phenos?
have you ever grown that stuff man? its pretty damn stable...
the urkle is pretty dominant in her crosses, so it would be a lot easier than you think
S1s are never the way..
have you ever grown that stuff man? its pretty damn stable...
the urkle is pretty dominant in her crosses, so it would be a lot easier than you think
S1s are never the way..
harmonious_flow
New member
right on. i have not grown bb. i am ignorant to what a S1 is. but if gdp x gdp is not one then sounds easy. i guess the same could be done to the gdp x tw clone? i thought it was harder than that to turn a fem clone into seeds. simple is great. im ready for some pollen sucks im only 1 week into bloom. i will definately make some gdp seeds.
G
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The way you're planning on making seeds will result in a S1 or Self 1 generation, these seeds will not ever match up to a true cross of urkle x big bud.
good luck in your endavors.
good luck in your endavors.schrooomy420
Active member
I think selfed seeds have the possibility of being just as good as or better than the starting clone. Granted there will also be examples that are alot worse and everything inbetween as well, but just cause it's a self does'nt mean it's garbage. Even a few of the hyped up clones are S1 progeny. peace
HYDRO KING
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self seeded plants
self seeded plants
I have found it to make hermy's.
self seeded plants
I have found it to make hermy's.
Ogstradamus
Member
schrooomy420 said:
Yes...I'm tired of people spreading the notion that selfed seeds are crap. Simply stated, they are hating. Just don't breed with them unless you absolutely must...and everything will be ok. I would almost go as far as to say I would rather have a GDP S1 seed rather than a backcross of some type...purely for the fact that NO other standard genetics were mixed in.
I've mothered my prize S1 og kush female and I wouldn't trade it for any backcross of OG. Although this is assuming ORGNKID actually made S1's...if not I could be completely wrong on my opinions of S1s
