Gorilla Glue #4

[sourpuss]

First of all you need to change your name. eagle 20 is not organic and
Eagle 20's, active ingredient is Myclobutanil, is a PAN Bad Actor Chemical listing three skull and cross bones. This contains, among other scary things, a toxin that can mess with a gentleman's reproductive system. PM is not more evil, Eagle 20 is. You are maybe blinded by the potential loss? Change your name at the least. Do you really smoke that crap? Or just sell it to others that don't know what is on it?
-SamS

BOOM lmao... is this really the crap people sell..... wouldnt be able to live with myself....

 

[bobblehead]

I have been an organic bio-dynamic french intensive farmer for 45 years, Cannabis and 40 kinds of fruit and veggies in my Calif garden, today I stick to sweet corn, heirloom tomatoes and heirloom italian yellow beans, and Cannabis.
That said, when in the winter the light levels fall in my greenhouse, and the temps get lower, and humidity is higher, I get PM on veg mother plants in the ground that are 10 feet tall. I have tried many organic remedies with varying success but my NLD, Sativas do not ever get PM, zero, while many WLD, Indica varieties and NLD, Sativa X WLD, Indicas do get PM, they are healthy as hell, but susceptible to PM as hell, it is their lack of resistance that is the basic problem.
I also fade my plants, but as they are in the soil I have to use experience to add enough N to grow them big over 10 feet, and run out of N before harvest. I have grown the same clones for 25 years and I know that a plant that yellows the last few weeks tastes way better, no question. You do not want harvested plants high in nitrates or nitrites, that is for sure.
-SamS

agreed. I don't have your level of experience, so I'm more reliant on science and tests.

hey Sam, I remember you telling BYF that you only use flouros for supplemental light in the winter.. HID lighting might give your plants the energy they need to resist the PM. I have this problem in my backyard. By September I'm down to 2hs of direct sun due to neighboring trees, and all of my veggies start to grow PM. Now that the leaves are falling from the trees, more light is hitting my squash bed and they're starting to fruit again!. Next year I'm going to supplement with HID lighting and see if I can't extend my growing season.

 

[Avinash.miles]

I choose eagle 20 over PM. I don’t care if its evil. IMO PM is more evil.

 

[oceangrownkush]

If PM is an issue iny our garden get on your BOTANICAL OILS game.. IC3 Essentria, Triact70, good ole neem, triple action neem, rid-bugs oil.. Rotate a spray or two a week of these and no more mites, no more PM.. I been on this ic3/t70 roto for a hot minute now and I have had NO ISSUES with PM or Mites (the spider and tarsonemid varities).

There is a local collective masquerading in healers garbs in my area that I know for a fact has sprayed Eagle 20 ON FLOWERS... So as long as people like these exist I have no problem with the diligent ICMAG gardener using what they have to in veg to eliminate issues... IN VEG.. Not the day before flip. Thats lazy IMO - lots of locals around here tell me an avid spray or two just into flower is the trick... Nasty.

 

[McKush]

^^hilarious pic. I looked at it for several minutes before figuring out the first word. dyslexia inducing

 

[mojave green]

The more researched organic growers will tell you that inducing senescence through flushing is an old growing myth (not as in the sense that it doesn't work, but rather that its unnecessary.) Food for thought.

hell, even the more researched chem growers will u tell u that!

 

[Luther Burbank]

I choose eagle 20 over PM. I don’t care if its evil. IMO PM is more evil.

What the fuck is wrong with you? Eagle20 is made for ornamentals or for fruiting trees BEFORE fruit-set. You obiously don't care if you're using eagle20. It shows you don't care about quality or the health of the people smoking your plants. Growers like you are exactly the reason people should grow their own medicine so they know they're not being dosed with chemicals that are known carcinogens.

And the three of you who "helpful"ed his post, what on god's green earth are you thinking?

 

[yahooman]

im wanting gg#4 in seedform and gg4 x gsc

 

[mojave green]

they be duke nukem's all over icmag. not sure why this guy getting ya'lls panties ina bunch!

 

[Loc Dog]

My first GG4 -



Regarding PM, won't temperature between 90 and 100 F, kill it off???

 

[yahooman]

cant see the pic bro...

 

[Loc Dog]

cant see the pic bro...

Thanks!! Have it in private album. Will move shortly.

The others are GG4 and GSC Thin Mint.

 

[bobblehead]

My first GG4 -

[URL=https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=56823&pictureid=1330120&thumb=1]View Image[/url]

Regarding PM, won't temperature between 90 and 100 F, kill it off???

Not spores.

 

[Luther Burbank]

they be duke nukem's all over icmag. not sure why this guy getting ya'lls panties ina bunch!

There are a lot of non-organic products which people can get their panties in a bunch over which are however approved for use on food crops, or crops like cannabis. Eagle20 is not one of them. It contains two known carcinogens and has never been approved for use on food crops or crops meant for ingestion. Using it for PM on cannabis is basically saying you'd rather pass on health risks and known carcinogens to your customers/patients than be bothered to make the effort to do it properly. There's no excuse for it and this isn't an issue anyone growing something for human consumption should be willing to bend on.

 

[Ichabod Crane]

There are a lot of non-organic products which people can get their panties in a bunch over which are however approved for use on food crops, or crops like cannabis. Eagle20 is not one of them. It contains two known carcinogens and has never been approved for use on food crops or crops meant for ingestion.

This is inaccurate. Eagle20 is indeed intended for food crops up to the day of harvest. If you would take the time to actually read the warnings on the bottle you would know this and not spread inaccurate info. The use of this is much to important to send false info out to people who may endanger themselves.

 

[Tonygreen]

I'll quote weird on this one...

you should have linked the whole of the article



its not the only thing in eagle20 is it?

http://www.cdms.net/ldat/mp6DG001.pdf

that's the MDSD YOU linked in this post http://www.cdms.net/ldat/mp6DG001.pdf

one of the other ingredients is naphthalene which is a known cancer causing agent, in a concentration that is recognized to be hazardous

now remember you guys don't test your weeds for any of the toxins that are in eagle20 because i called the test facilities the dispensaries use

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=5011089&postcount=86

so regardless of how you slice it your using a product made for outdoor turf ornamentals and vine fruits and your using it on soft tissue plants in closed environment

you did bother to read this in the toxicology report right?



you can only guess that it dissipated in a dissimilar environment against the products directed use

you have no way to tell if YOUR meds are free from any of the chemicals in eagle20, scientific or others wise

and this sums it up nice...

Fuck eagle 20, people really want to argue the fact that using this crap is safe for what we consume as medicine. Really? Hey if you want to use it, go right ahead, but keep all that sprayed crap to yourself and don't share with others.

and...

i dont use it . and we have no idea what smoking it will do. its prob great for grapes but i aint smokin grapes.

Feels weird quoting weird!

BY THE WAY

Dow agriculture makes fungicides for agriculture opposed to turf and ornamental products

http://www.dowagro.com/products/northamerica/index.htm

if you choose agriculture it leads you to products designed for consumable vegetables

http://www.dowagro.com/usag/prod/

opposed to products designed for turf and ornamental

http://www.dowagro.com/turf/products/fungicides/index.htm

now boys and girls if you look at DOW CHEMICALS offerings

none of the ones listed in agricultural use myclobutanil or naphthalene

why is that?

why do they make products with myclobutanil for turf and ornamental but not for agriculture?

and oddly none are made for indoor use

how ironic

Workers exposed to myclobutanil have reported symptoms such as skin rash, allergic dermatitis, itchiness, nausea, heachache, diarrhea, abdominal pain, vomiting, nosebleed, and eye irritation (CDPR).

In a two-generation study on rats over the effects of myclobutanil on reproduction, researchers found a decrease in pup weight gain, increased incidence of stillborns, and atrophy of the testes and prostate (EPA). Myclobutanil is listed as a developmental toxin in the Toxics Release Inventory (PANNA).

Chronic toxicity tests on rats found decreased body weight and changes to brain and spleen weight, in addition to reproductive effects (EPA).

I fail to understand why a chemical that does this ^^^^^ would be willingly sprayed on a cannabis plant other than purely for GREED.

Would you hand a joint of this to your asthmatic grandmother with an ailing immune system??

Or would it be ok cuz she's female and no longer a breeder?

The entire case for using it because you want to get different strains from friends who have PM is lame at best.

Every time I take a cut from a friend it goes into a solution of 2tbs bleach per gal of water and is left to soak for an hour. It is then rinsed with plain water...all pests and PM are gone. This method is the only non-organic thing I do...and I feel bad about it.

*yawn*

Thats why I started growing, I never know what the hell some of you cali boys are sending my way...

I read the bottle it doesnt say all food crops, it has a couple things none of them similar to cannabis we ingest in several forms...

 

[Ichabod Crane]

No it does not say all food crops. But to state something that can be refuted easily just makes any point you mention suspect whether it is the truth or not.

If you are going to claim things about a fungiside it is imperative that you state facts. To do otherwise could endanger someone's life.

My last comment on this as it is off subject and is a lightning rod issue.

 

[Luther Burbank]

Ichabod - I have never seen any information from Dow or any seller on using Eagle20 for food crops other than fruit/vines. Please do not claim that I or others are spreading misinformation that could hurt people when your arguing point is not only incorrect but dangerous.

http://www.dowagro.com/turf/products/fungicides/eagle_20ew.htm
http://www.keystonepestsolutions.com/labels/Eagle_20EW.pdf

"For use on golf course fairways, roughs, tees and greens, commercial and residential stone fruit trees, apple trees and grapes, and other landscape ornamentals
For use on ornamentals such as chrysanthemums, daylilies, poinsettias and roses in nurseries, landscapes and greenhouses"

"Eagle 20EW specialty fungicide is labeled for use on more
than 100 ornamental plants in greenhouses or field-grown
plantings for the control of powdery mildew, rust, scab and
various leaf spot diseases."

http://www.keystonepestsolutions.com/labels/Eagle_20EW_MSDS.pdf - The MSDS has more than enough information to indicate that this should not be sprayed on plants being combusted and inhaled. It speaks for itself.

If this product were intended for food crops other than fruit trees/vines before fruit had set(if you want to nitpick the detail on fruit trees being a food crop before fruit has set go ahead, but you're playing semantics that put the consumer at danger), they would certainly be listed on the intended uses list. It would be quite a gaff for a company to make a product for use on a variety of vegetables and just forget to list all the dosages for those. Even if this product *were* approved for food crops other than non-fruiting trees, it has not been tested or approved for use on cannabis/tobacco. If my statement was so easily refuted why couldn't you be bothered to bring some evidence to back that up?

 

[milkyjoe]

Thank you Mr Outlaw Josey Wales

This actually is excellent weed...much respect. Gonna be more of it on the CO scene very soon.

edit...and yes I am aware, I ain't the best trimmer out there...but no icid of any kind will ever be used on this by my hand.

 

[Ichabod Crane]

You are incorrect. My info comes right off the warning label on the bottle.

It can be used on apricots, day of harvest
Cherries to day of harvest
Nectarines to day of harvest
Peach to day of harvest
Plum to the day of harvest
Apples 14 days before harvest
Grape 14 days preharvest

Read the bottle and stop spreading inaccurate info. I sugest that you do better with your research.

For those who want to see a picture of the label go to my temp folder in my picture album. I believe it is on page two. I am unable to copy the picture over with my tablet and don't have access to my desk top.

The above information I pulled from the bottle and is found on pages 26-29 of the safety label attached to the bottle.