Gorilla Glue #4 - Part II

[onavelzy]

I'm flowering in a 5 x 9 Gorilla Tent with two 1000w se hortiluxs, both in their own Magnum 8" air cooled reflectors. 8 plants in there total.



I might try to experiment with the soil mix. I havent been using this method for too long really. The idea initially was to be able to finish a grow from start to finish with water only. But after I saw my yields skyrocket, I figure I'm gonna ride out this method for a bit. Plus, I've read that when using 100% organic soil, it's hard to get a fade on the plants. Where as now, they fade as soon as I stop the bottled nutes.

I used to only use the bottled nutes with no amendments added to the soil, and I can definitely tell a huge difference now with the amendments added. Because now the plants swell up a helluva lot more during the straight water for the last two weeks. My yields went up 2 to 3 ounces per plant with organic soil added.

I thought the fade was to allow the chemicals that are concentrated in the leaves and flowers from added fertilizers to leach out with flushing over an extended period of time. If there's no added chemicals, my understanding was that there's no harsh chems that that need to be leached out so no need to fade. My experience and knowledge base is rudimentary at best though, so this is truly a question from me, not any kind of lecture or whatever.

I think I've also read that the plant responds to the stress of the ongoing starvation during a fade by doing everything it can to get flowers fertilized before the end comes, resulting i guess in bigger, more dense flower heads. That seems to suggest there's some complex "behavior" that goes on during this plan't flowering phase of life.

 

[Americangrower]

I thought the fade was to allow the chemicals that are concentrated in the leaves and flowers from added fertilizers to leach out with flushing over an extended period of time. If there's no added chemicals, my understanding was that there's no harsh chems that that need to be leached out so no need to fade. My experience and knowledge base is rudimentary at best though, so this is truly a question from me, not any kind of lecture or whatever.

I think I've also read that the plant responds to the stress of the ongoing starvation during a fade by doing everything it can to get flowers fertilized before the end comes, resulting i guess in bigger, more dense flower heads. That seems to suggest there's some complex "behavior" that goes on during this plan't flowering phase of life.

Fade is from lack of Nitrogen, they say lack of nitrogen make better buds..I see minimal difference but thats just me

 

[dansbuds]

Fade is alot more than just nitrogen depletion . its a natural occurance in a plants life cycle that happens as the plants life is coming to an end or coming into a hybernation period like trees .
we effect the fade more than nature does with the feeding & depletion of nutrients ... especially salt based nutrients . we don't want those salts in the plant by the time we consume it because it effects taste smell , the way it burns etc ... so we stop feeding salt nutes a couple weeks before we chop the plant to harvest it & feed it plain water so we can deplete as much as the salts as possible.
organics don't use up the nutrients as fast or completely by the time we chop them to harvest , but they also don't have the same effects on the plants as salt based nutes do . you don't seem to taste the natural nutrients as much ... except you do have chlorophil to cure out more with organic nutrients that don't fade the plant like plain water feeds do with salt nutes .

 

[dank.frank]

Senescence. In a water only organic soil the plant finishes itself based on it's genetic factors.

If it's running longer than you really want, just stop watering. Plant will use the nutrients stored in the leaves as the roots are dry and can't transport nutrients from the soil.



dank.Frank

 

[dansbuds]

Senescence. In a water only organic soil the plant finishes itself based on it's genetic factors.



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dank.Frank

thats the word i was looking for !!! just couldn't remember it

good to know on stop feeding organic soils ! i'm a coco & salt nute guy so ...... didn't know that .

 

[Americangrower]

Fade is alot more than just nitrogen depletion . its a natural occurance in a plants life cycle that happens as the plants life is coming to an end or coming into a hybernation period like trees .
we effect the fade more than nature does with the feeding & depletion of nutrients ... especially salt based nutrients . we don't want those salts in the plant by the time we consume it because it effects taste smell , the way it burns etc ... so we stop feeding salt nutes a couple weeks before we chop the plant to harvest it & feed it plain water so we can deplete as much as the salts as possible.
organics don't use up the nutrients as fast or completely by the time we chop them to harvest , but they also don't have the same effects on the plants as salt based nutes do . you don't seem to taste the natural nutrients as much ... except you do have chlorophil to cure out more with organic nutrients that don't fade the plant like plain water feeds do with salt nutes .

Are we talking fade or flushing. I thought they were talking fade. Which is caused by reducing Nitrogen. N is the key component of chlorophyll. It is also a major component of amino acids, which is the building blocks of proteins. When taken away plant fades.

I agree with you about flushing salt and everything else. I just didn't think that was the question.

 

[billb]

How long should I flush that v&b dirty? A week or what not leach. But flush for a few minutes when it’s timr for nutes?

 

[Vanilla Phoenix]

F*** that’s a lotta Glue per plant my mate , don’t know if it’s just me but she doesn’t seem to like to be topped too much ?

Mine do ok topped pretty heavy. I know the glue does like a little more recovery time before flowering then a lot of strains I run. In the past, if I try to flower her too quickly after topping a lot, it fuks up her stretch.

 

[Thirdtime]

How much stretch does gg4 usually do?

 

[Vanilla Phoenix]

How much stretch does gg4 usually do?

She stretches pretty good. I'd say 2-2.5 times stretch...depending on your environment.

 

[dansbuds]

should also mention the difference between leeching and flushing

leeching is running double the container size of plain water through the medium

flushing is watering to runoff with plain water

I leech on the first day of week 8 then flush, leech on the first day of week 9, then flush till I notice they are heavy as fuck and not taking much water, then you know its time.

you've got that backwards waxi ..... leaching is feeding plain water & flushing is running more water through than the pots volume .

 

[billb]

These 2 are at 4 weeks or so and sucking the water up like their outside in the summer. Is this when they drink the most. I’m watering these 2 gg4 everyday. Starting 3 days ago. When do they usually start drinking so much? In weeks?
Thanks
In 5 gal smart pots

should also mention the difference between leeching and flushing

leeching is running double the container size of plain water through the medium

flushing is watering to runoff with plain water

I leech on the first day of week 8 then flush, leech on the first day of week 9, then flush till I notice they are heavy as fuck and not taking much water, then you know its time.

 

[Chunkypigs]

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live feed of Golden tarp awards just announced their testing lab said GG#4 had the highest terp count- 5.93%

there were other strains that went as high as 5.5%

thanks joesy!

 

[shishkaboy]

These 2 are at 4 weeks or so and sucking the water up like their outside in the summer. Is this when they drink the most. I’m watering these 2 gg4 everyday. Starting 3 days ago. When do they usually start drinking so much? In weeks?
Thanks
In 5 gal smart pots

You aint even hit your stride yet. I used to enjoy the week 7 or so the most, when shes really bulking up. Looks like your right on track too

 

[Trich_Tyson]

figured i'd share this.. since we are talking about senescin' and shit. I bounce back and forth between 2 and 3 week flushes. when i do 2 it's not enough when i do 3 it gets excessive.. don't get me wrong i'd rather have too much fade than not enough.. this is day 59.. after 2 weeks of flushing exactly. I'd be okay chopping with this level of fade.. woulda liked to go another 6 days or so.. but ill take em at 63.. i got more time that day anyway.

First day of flush was a large volume of dehuey condensate + a splash of sea grow, a cap or so of molasses, and a sprinkle of pond enzyme. After first day I pulled back on the volume of water and cut the enzyme.. after a few more days i cut sea grow.. then I just kept diluting molasses/condensate. The fade came on quickly.

Sooooo.. next time.. I will stick to 14-16 days.. if they aren't thoroughly faded, i'll just go an extra couple days.

I'll also flip the water volume sitch. First couple days I'll go with less volume.. allow the plants to finish eating some of the salts. The last 7 or 10 days Ill go with more water volume to leach remaining salts.

the glue light.. my photo game isn't on point today.. I'll see if i can't get a decent nug shot later.

 

[Grizz]

figured i'd share this.. since we are talking about senescin' and shit. I bounce back and forth between 2 and 3 week flushes. when i do 2 it's not enough when i do 3 it gets excessive.. don't get me wrong i'd rather have too much fade than not enough.. this is day 59.. after 2 weeks of flushing exactly. I'd be okay chopping with this level of fade.. woulda liked to go another 6 days or so.. but ill take em at 63.. i got more time that day anyway.

First day of flush was a large volume of dehuey condensate + a splash of sea grow, a cap or so of molasses, and a sprinkle of pond enzyme. After first day I pulled back on the volume of water and cut the enzyme.. after a few more days i cut sea grow.. then I just kept diluting molasses/condensate. The fade came on quickly.

Sooooo.. next time.. I will stick to 14-16 days.. if they aren't thoroughly faded, i'll just go an extra couple days.

I'll also flip the water volume sitch. First couple days I'll go with less volume.. allow the plants to finish eating some of the salts. The last 7 or 10 days Ill go with more water volume to leach remaining salts.

the glue light.. my photo game isn't on point today.. I'll see if i can't get a decent nug shot later.

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I know its right when gg4 gets that purple, well done

 

[Chunkypigs]

the clear winner of the Golden Tarp Awards this year. GG#4 Congrats joesy!

 

[~star~crash~]

Here she is >>> GG#4

Here she is >>> GG#4

 

[billb]

Congrats josey!!!!

 

[Grizz]

the next round due to finish mid dec. gluchee closest , fire storm in back