Good strains (or strains widely used in breeding) that are NOT chem, OG crosses

[MJPassion]

Ted,

You might try contacting Sam Skunk man and see if he may have some insight as to what you are dealing with, as far as your seed issue.

Anyway, I'll second the suggestion for Chimeras GFxBB as well as any of his other Blueberry crosses. They're not being made any more so when they're gone, they're gone for good.

BOG has been around for quite some time now. There's probably good reason for that.

There are tons of excellent breeders not associated with this site as well that are putting out some killer strains. A Google search should yield you decent results.

 

[TedNugget]

Thanks for the help everyone! It is greatly appreciated.

 

[TedNugget]

Hayday, MJPassion (or anyone else) - do you guys know how the germ rates are on those
GF x BB seeds? Are they new stock? Or are they the same seeds from his release in 2008-2011?

I mean, I guess they are worth a try either way. Just wondering is all.
If the germ rate is not too great, I might try one of his other BB crosses from SBay instead.

 

[SooperSmurph]

Black Widow = the REAL widow...fwiw.

Honestly, I'd like to suggest two plants that aren't grown very often by many - but, I wouldn't hesitate to sprout more of these beans ever...

Dr. Atomic - BB x NL
Mr Nice - Medicine Man (the REAL White Rhino)

Honestly, I think you'll have more success in finding something great by focusing on one strain and sorting multiple packs for something great -vs- one pack of many different strains.

I'd say - get 3 packs of the same line and commit - and you'll find something worth writing home about.



dank.Frank

I used Dr Atomic's Nl x BB to create this:

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[packerfan79]

If you are having problems with hermis I would stay away from dj's bb, you better have the room perfect before running those. They are the most hermi prone strain I have ever seen. I have never had problems with ogs herming, except Skywalker grrr I hate Skywalker og. I have never been able to get her right. bodhi has a shit ton of nice strains and good deals with the right bank. I think it is funny, I have had a hard time finding og strains from seed banks. I see so many strange strains. I think most cater to the European countries.

 

[Baron Greenback]

Look into the likes of Ace, Cannabiogen, Chimera, BOG, Bodhi, Kingdom of Seeds. I personally (and I stress, this is only my opinion) stay as far away from poly-hybrids as possible. Problems are bound to arise with pollen chuckers just crossing flavour of the month together.

 

[TedNugget]

SooperSmurph - damn that looks amazing! What did you cross the NLxBB to, if you don't mind me asking? Good job man.

Packerfan - first off, you're a fan of the wrong football team. Haha.
Well, shoot. Maybe that is also part of my problem. Pretty much all I've run are 1) Chem and OG crosses and 2) a few blueberry crosses mixed in.
When I said about seeing Chem/OG in everything, I was kind of lumping the two strains together (didn't OG come from the chemdog lineage? Or no? I thought it did, but I'm not sure). I see it in tons of stuff. Like Bodhi's stuff has a lot of chem in it. Any of his crosses with Appalachia has Tres Dog in it (which has chem). He has more Chem crosses I can't remember off the top of my head.
I guess it depends on what seedbank you are looking at. Check out seedbay. There are tons of breeders putting out all sorts of OG and Chem crosses.

Baron Greenback - thanks! I just recently started looking into ACE and CBG. Kingdom of seeds is a new one for me. Gonna have to check them out.
Appreciate the input. And I agree about the flavor of the month strains. I've gotten some super potent smoke, but more problems than it was worth (hermie etc).
Like begets like. So if you're making seeds from hermie stock, you're probably going to get hermie prone plants I would think...

 

[Ziggaro]

Been growing chem/og crosses for a couple years and recently grew out some different stuff. I'm still growing the chem/og stuff but also have some jackberry, herijuana, and herijuana x snowqueen getting cut down.

It is such a nice change to grow plants that can actually hold themselves up. The jackberry are pretty amazing plants. The jack dominates the smell and yields really nice. My one pheno has super frosty purple buds and a nice blueberry smell in the background. It was basically a 2 foot stick of huge purple buds. The other pheno was taller with green buds that had reddish hues and all jack in the smell. Neither will last long, though

It doesn't seem like Jack gets much love anymore, but I can't think of any good reason's why. Same with blueberry.. can't go wrong IMO

 

[Castroman]

I can suggest the quiet breeders that prioritize selection over a long period of time and only offer a handful of proven true breeding lines and crosses among them. One such is PeakSeedsBC [.com] The breeder MikeJ has a reputation for being extremely honest and reliable, and on top of that his seeds are inexpensive. He's been doing this since the 90s, so is not a fly by night operation. He's been working on Blueberry, Skunk, Kush and Northern Lights since the 90s so his strains are both old school and advanced at the same time, and have no chem, og, or flavor of the day thing.

 

[SourDank]

I'll tell you what, people talk a ton of shit about him for lack of potency, or his general attitude overall, but I've found plants that I've enjoyed very much in Subs Vortex, Cheesequake, and Chernobyl. No, they didn't knock my dick in the dirt with their one hit type of potency, but I enjoyed the high I got from them very much. Especially the CQ, but I love Cheese and her hybrids.

I look at it this way, everytime I drink, I don't run straight to some Bacardi 151. I don't always want to be skull-fucked everytime I take a hit of weed. They also tasted fantastic, which is why when I had them they were one of the things I enjoyed timing during the day.

I don't have any of them anymore, and I'm not dying to run more packs. But when I did have them, I enjoyed them a great deal. Good luck with your search.

 

[SooperSmurph]

SooperSmurph - damn that looks amazing! What did you cross the NLxBB to, if you don't mind me asking? Good job man.

Ty

It's actually a double self backcross using pollen and cuts from a single original female, the resulting generation of seeds were culled to a single female with the desired genetic drift (narrower leaves and more space between nodes being the main target), that female was pollinated with the original line's pollen, those seeds were grown out, the current cutting I distribute in Denver as Smurphberry Jam (the one in the picture) is one of the most outstanding examples from that generation.

 

[packerfan79]

Look nugget, all that matters is my packers beat the damn vikings. Lol I hear yah. og and Chem are dominant here in California. I had a few cuts that I really loved, but they would only sell if I put kush or og names to them. I really like the fruity stuff but it is hard to move. I had a blue dragoon that was awesome smoke and beautiful nugs. I would put the extra effort to clone before you flower so you can get a keeper cut when you find one. I have always bought or have been gifted cuts. oh and the Craigslist adds, always a bad idea. never have I gotten what I ordered.now I am trying to find a couple keeper's to show the people around me what real strains are.

 

[TedNugget]

Ziggaro - I've been wondering about that place (w/the jackberry). The price is definitely right. Gonna have to give them a try. Thanks.
And yes, I used to love the Jack. I actually recently found some old original Jack Herer seeds. They are easily 15 years old (possibly older). I ordered some GA3 (gibreallic acid). I'm going to scuff the seeds up, soak them in the ga3 and see if I can get any to germ. Fingers crossed!

Castroman - thanks for putting peak on my radar! Gonna check them out. Sounds interesting for sure.

Sourdank - honestly, extreme potency is the least of my concerns. Everything is plenty potent for me now a days. I don't like to be so f-ed up I can't function anyway...
I did run TGA's deep purple. It was beautiful. But it wasn't what I was looking for at the time. The high just wasn't right for me. I definitely want to try some more stuff from him eventually. Thanks for the suggestion.
Did you have any trouble with hermie's with the cheese hybrids? A buddy of mine used to run the blue cheese a lot. He'd have trouble with them throwing herm flowers here and there, but it might have been the blueberry in the cross... I loved the smell, taste and high though. Very relaxing for me personally.

SooperSmurph - If I ever make it out to Colorado (hopefully this coming year if all goes as planned), that strain will definitely be on my list of "must try's".
I grew an NLxBB many years ago that a friend made. It was one of my favorites for sure. The taste was out of this world!

Thanks again for all the help everyone. You guys rule! I love this site.

 

[Ziggaro]

Hey Ted..about that place. I made two orders from there.
My last order from there didn't show up. And I had some problems with the customer service that would make me strongly hesitate ordering from them again.

That said..my first order showed up and I am liking what I got.
I wasn't even going to rep them but if you can actually get the seeds it's awesome.

 

[TedNugget]

Look nugget, all that matters is my packers beat the damn vikings. Lol I hear yah. og and Chem are dominant here in California. I had a few cuts that I really loved, but they would only sell if I put kush or og names to them. I really like the fruity stuff but it is hard to move. I had a blue dragoon that was awesome smoke and beautiful nugs. I would put the extra effort to clone before you flower so you can get a keeper cut when you find one. I have always bought or have been gifted cuts. oh and the Craigslist adds, always a bad idea. never have I gotten what I ordered.

Haha. Yeah I hear you. That Packers/Vikings rivalry is intense, huh?
Unfortunately where I'm at, we don't have nearly the options like you do. Anything I want I have to order seeds of.
I definitely take clones of everything though. I don't put anything into flower until I get clones rooted. Learned that lesson the hard way. Lost the best strain I ever had because I had a mishap and the clones never rooted. Tried re-vegging her and it was a no go.
Also, I always make sure to run everything at least 2-3 times too, before I ditch it. Everything/everyone deserves a 2nd chance. Lol. But yeah, I've had stuff look only ok on a 1st run, and then look great the 2nd run.

 

[TedNugget]

Hey Ted..about that place. I made two orders from there.
My last order from there didn't show up. And I had some problems with the customer service that would make me strongly hesitate ordering from them again.

That said..my first order showed up and I am liking what I got.
I wasn't even going to rep them but if you can actually get the seeds it's awesome.

Well, hmm. That makes me pause. I take it you never got replacements from them?
Maybe I'll try somewhere else first. When I do try them I will only order one cheap $25-$30 pack, so worst case I'm not out much of anything.

 

[KappaRoss]

@OP

I would look at seedbanks with a relatively small catalogue and strains that are crosses of rather "old-school" strains, or pure(-ish) landraces. Or go straight for those old-school strains. Land-races is probably taking it a bit far for a hobby grower. If I were to start a seed-business, I would obviously start with land-races though...

It was mentioned before that Northern lights, Skunk and Haze are in pretty much every modern strain in circulation today.

They are very stable genetical material and excellent for cross-breeding.

In terms auf Autos, you might always get a hold of good Ruderalis genetics and start working towards your own Auto strains. But the results will most definitely vary and it might take quite a bit of time to obtain any.

So yeah...:
Northern Lights
Skunk#1
Haze

Would also top my list if you want to breed stability/generally desirable characteristics into your strains.
Any direct crosses out of these three strains (such as good ol' Jack Herrer or Super Skunk for example) will also be great for breeding.

Any pure-ish Sativa or Indica strains would also be good in that regard. I am planning to acquire genetics from ACE seeds once I am done growing my peakseeds supply. ACE seeds seems to specialize in quite pure lines and have great reviews.

 

[KappaRoss]

/edit

I really need 50 posts ...

Forgot to mention:
Once you decided on for example Northern Lights, the question will become "who has the best Northern Lights genetics"?

And that question is also always tough to answer...

I am actually interested in the Northern Lights. And Peakseeds has great reviews.
But with every strain, there will be different phenotypes which were used for breeding by the various breeders.
As a result, peakseeds Northern Lights is most certainly different from, for example, Nirvana's or Sensi's Northern Lights ...


With regard to the Northern Lights, I was told the "original" cross came from K.C. Brains of the Netherlands and was actually called "Northern Lights Special".
K.C.'s seeds also always have been and continue to be dirt cheap.
I could drop by the Netherlands to pick up some of K.C.'s genetics but I am fairly certain that I read somewhere he got busted at some point in time and now his "official"(?) homepage only offers one way of contact: A mobile phone number.

Currently looking for a payphone I can use to call his number and see what he is about. If everything is fine, I might meet up with the guy and get some of his Northern Lights for future breeding.

Going with what is supposedly "the original" of a strain, is usually a good way to start in my opinion. At least theoretically, all other "Northern Lights" on the market should have K.C.'s genetics in there...
Now you can either go for, for example with the phenotype of Northern Lights that is prevalent in the U.S. (which afaik stems from BC Bud Depot's genetics, at least peakseeds is from that line, if I am not utterly mistaken) or the one that is prevalent in Europe. They will differ because the Canadian/US breeders made different selections and backcrosses than the Europeans.

I forgot what exactly the difference in the Northern Lights was in this example... Doing so much research these past few weeks, stuff clumps up xD

But I ended up believing that K.C.'s Northern Lights Special was more "right" for me than BC's...


********** was a good source of help for me, as well as good ol' googlerino and ofc IC Mag.

 

[MJPassion]

KC Brains...
IS NOT the original breeder...

More reading... less typing.

There are several discussions about NL specifically.

 

[t99]

KappaRoss, start here
www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=305220