Good strains (or strains widely used in breeding) that are NOT chem, OG crosses

[TedNugget]

I'm looking for some good strains to order that have ZERO chemdog or OG (etc) in their lineage. I want to completely get away from any type of chem cross.
It seems like a lot of the most highly recommended breeders use a ton of chem or OG crosses.
I have no interest in trying many of these selfed strains.
I also don't want anything bred from hermaphrodite lineage.


What are some other good strains outside the chem/OG Kush family that are still available today?


Who are some good breeders producing seeds/strains using more of the old school strains (or at least strains outside the chem/OG family)?

Looking more for indica than sativa. and nothing that easily throws those little yellow hermie flowers out of the buds.

I am looking for well bred strains. Maybe some stuff widely used in breeding for example.

I was thinking along the lines of Chimera, DJ Short, not sure who else. I'd love some suggestions! Thanks!

 

[HidingInTheHaze]

There's hundreds of them, it's impractical to expect anyone to list a bunch of them. Just go sift thru seedbanks, read the genetics and do some research.

 

[rolandomota]

Search for GPS seedbay.... he has very affordable Dj short f2 seeds

 

[DoubleTripleOG]

Greenhouse has quite a few, as does Barney's Farm, Delicious Seeds, Paradise Seeds, Mr. Nice, Sagarmartha, Sensi Seeds, Soma. Lots more than that. Like HIH said, with just a little research, you should be able to find more than enough to choose from. No matter what, I would choose what you want, regardless of seed company bashes from others, etc.

 

[expealadocious]

If you want the polar opposite of a chem, try a strain called heavy duty fruity...

I think originally, the most used parent for a hybrid was Afhganistan indica.
This is because sativas generally didnt perform as well indoors, but were more previously available for seeds in times before the indicas were made available.
Lastly, its useful indoor traits like density, short plants, and short flowering duration, are traits that are generally dominant for crossing in.

Then in the late 80's through 90's Northern Lights was really popular all over.
Used for endless crosses to improve density and other traits
I think the "BC bud" export of the late 90s was Northern Lights...

 

[TedNugget]

There's hundreds of them, it's impractical to expect anyone to list a bunch of them. Just go sift thru seedbanks, read the genetics and do some research.

This is part of my research...

 

[SpaceBros.]

Old School
Skunk
Haze
Northern Lights

Classics
Jack Herer
White Widow
Blueberry
Ak-47
C-99

Slighty More Modern
Romulan
Green Crack
Albert Walker

 

[hayday]

I love Chimeras Gf x bb.Get them while you can

.BOG has some solid old stuff too.Sour Bubble being the flagship .

Bogbubble is good . Sour bubble was a selection from Bogbubble.

Lifesaver is an older cross with a really cool high.Its buzz is completely different than most pot I have smoked .Ponder the universe weed but still indica stony-happy.

Good luck on your selections

 

[shawkmon]

mexican bagseed , its free if ya buy a bag of weed

 

[dank.frank]

This is part of my research...

ROFL. YES! I approve.

I agree. What better place to get such information than directly from the horses mouth, so to speak.



dank.Frank

 

[TedNugget]

Thanks guys.

Yeah, I've been doing research on this subject and plan to continue doing more. I just figured it couldn't hurt to at least ask here. The more information, the better!

Rolandomota - thank you! I will definitely look into that.

DoubleTripleOG - i need to take that advise. I always plan to order a certain breeder or strain, and as I'm researching them I read a few bad comments and end up changing my mind.
I used to run through lots of seeds with a buddy back years ago. I keep reading that a lot of these places seeds/strains are not what they used to be. But I just have to try it again for myself.

Expealadocious - I grew the HDF many years ago. Only ran it a couple times but from what I remember I liked it. I'll have to give it a try again.

I'm not really trying to do any breeding or anything. I've just been having some issues with some of the seeds I've ordered, and one common trait seemed to be that all of them had some type of chem or OG somewhere in their lineage.
I need to figure out if the issue is with something I'm doing or if it was just a trait of some of these strains (these real tiny little seeds, long story in another thread... But it's driving me nuts).

So I'm just trying to find some good, well bred strains that I can't really go wrong with.
I figured if I could find some strains widely used in breeding, that obviously they would have to be quality strains. So I just thought that would be a good place to start...

 

[TedNugget]

Thanks Spacebros. I've been watching for the blueberry to be in stock. Same with the c-99. Anxiously waiting for bros Grimm to drop new seeds this coming spring!
I was thinking of trying the white widow. Wasn't sure who's to get though. Should I go with Shantibaba's Black Widow? Or green house? Or someone elses?
Wanted to order something from Next generation too. Was thinking romulon or grape God. Thinking I'll have to give the romulon a try. I've smoked it but never had it in the garden.
Was looking at the Ak-47 too, but then I read some people saying it wasn't what it used to be and got scared off. But I need to take DoubleTripleOG's advise and just try them for myself.
I tried an indoor mix from Sensi recently. It was supposed to be lots of skunks and northern light type indicas. All I seemed to get were mutant plants though. And a hermaphrodite or two. lol

Hayday - thanks! I think I'll try and find me a pack of those gf x bb. I've been wanting to try chimera for a while now.
I did recently run some of Bog's sour lifesaver. I only popped 3 seeds and had 1 female. It was summer and my a/c broke so it hit almost 90 in my room at certain times so she wanted to foxtail a lot from the heat. I'm planning on running the rest of the pack soon, as the taste and high were kick ass!
I'm watching for that sour bubble too! Haven't been able to find it yet.

How is his blue moon rocks? Or that grape strain? Been wanting to try those. Have you ever had them? What about blue kush? That looks good too.

Dank Frank - lol. Yes, this is a great source of information! Where else can you ask others that have experience in this area? Unfortunately, I don't know too many people in real life with this type of knowledge. I wish I did...

Thanks again everyone.

 

[dank.frank]

Black Widow = the REAL widow...fwiw.

Honestly, I'd like to suggest two plants that aren't grown very often by many - but, I wouldn't hesitate to sprout more of these beans ever...

Dr. Atomic - BB x NL
Mr Nice - Medicine Man (the REAL White Rhino)

Honestly, I think you'll have more success in finding something great by focusing on one strain and sorting multiple packs for something great -vs- one pack of many different strains.

I'd say - get 3 packs of the same line and commit - and you'll find something worth writing home about.



dank.Frank

 

[waveguide]

i don't know why you got them little seeds, but once you zero out your environ it shouldn't be a problem. i've never had "undesired pollenation" out of dozens of strains.

have fun shoping. first up: bubblegum

such a classic, steady stone

 

[expealadocious]

Oh youre the dude with the little early seed in bud issue... keep in mind, if genetics from different sources are doing it, its unfortunately but definitely you
My chem dog gets the occasional nanner but the pollen has almost no potency .

Were you dealing with just one vendor or source?

 

[TedNugget]

Black Widow = the REAL widow...fwiw.

Honestly, I'd like to suggest two plants that aren't grown very often by many - but, I wouldn't hesitate to sprout more of these beans ever...

Dr. Atomic - BB x NL
Mr Nice - Medicine Man (the REAL White Rhino)

Honestly, I think you'll have more success in finding something great by focusing on one strain and sorting multiple packs for something great -vs- one pack of many different strains.

I'd say - get 3 packs of the same line and commit - and you'll find something worth writing home about.



dank.Frank

Good advise. Thanks. That's definitely one mistake I've been making. I've been only popping a few seeds out of each pack at a time, for the variety. I have to run higher numbers of the same strain. At the very least one full pack at a time.

I think I might try to find that dr atomic nlXbb.

 

[TedNugget]

Oh youre the dude with the little early seed in bud issue... keep in mind, if genetics from different sources are doing it, its unfortunately but definitely you
My chem dog gets the occasional nanner but the pollen has almost no potency .

Were you dealing with just one vendor or source?

I just don't know what I'd be doing to cause it though. I wish I could figure it out. The thing is, I have seen it in other people's bud too. (I explained this in the other thread).

I am trying to eliminate every possible variable. I'm going back to the basics - this KISS method.
But I just want to get away from the chem/OG crosses for now because that also seems to be a common thread. Just about every strain that's had this problem has seemed to have chem or OG in it somewhere.

When I was getting a few nanners, the pollen was not really viable either. But I assume it was the reason for those tiny seeds. But I would still see the signs of pollination - pistils dying back. But it would never form any full seeds. Just those tiny ones.
But now I haven't seen a nanner in well over 6 months, and I see absolutely zero signs of pollination. Yet I still am finding these tiny seeds growing in the calyx (and the calyx will even still have those two live white hairs sticking out of it (hence, they were not hit by any pollen)), which is what makes me think it's possibly just a trait of that plant.
Like I said in the other thread, I did have a tiny light leak a while ago. But I fixed it going back over 6 months ago now. So i know some of the problem was obviously on my end and I'd have to run certain strains again.
The only strains I've run since I fixed the light leak are chem/OG crosses, which is why I looking to get away from them at the moment. Right now I have 2 different OG crosses. The one has those tiny seeds as I explained above. The other one may not. I won't know for sure until I harvest and smoke it. When I looked in a calyx, it didn't have the tiny green seeds. But it did have this super tiny little black thing. It was so tiny it was barely visible though, so this OG cross might be ok. I will know soon...

If it continues to happen once I try some of these well bred classic strains, then I know for sure it has to be a problem on my end.
I just need to know for sure.

 

[TedNugget]

Waveguide - where would you recommend getting bubblegum from? TH Seeds and Serious Seeds both claim to have the original I think. I believe BOG has a very good bubblegum too. Just curious which you would go with.

 

[dank.frank]

If I was after Bubblegum - I'd be trying to get in touch with Chrome here at ICmag.

Pink Bubbletooth and Pink Bazooka - great gum lines



dank.Frank

 

[larry badiner]

mandalas strains are landraces from india, their 'chill-om' smells like minty chronic, hard to describe but id score weed from dealers in 2002-2005 with the same smell and taste

you can make a minty bubblegum or blueberry