Golden Tiger

[stimp]

Hi Mr. Roseberry,

I wouldn't worry or second guess your decisions about your current ace seeds or purchasing golden tiger.

To my knowledge, and I have frequented the ace forums for quite along time, none of the accusations made have any truth.

Golden tiger genetics have not been crossed with Vietnamese and whatever else was said. They have just been inbred more generations. I have grown first release of fems and current stock. Both great, thai leaning phenos easily found in both. same deal with malawi as well, have grown old regs, old fems, and new fems. Not much changed there either. Their is a a bit less variation in current versions, for the better in my opinion, I suppose that some may have wanted the variation though. And still enough variation to please those looking for phenos leaning to either side.

I can't speak from experience, but i believe it would be the same with bangi haze, it seems illogical to cross it to an indica when it is already extremely fast flowering. No genetic change, Dubi simply feels calling it a 60/40 hybrid is more accurate, he has stated this.

I do however agree with that poster on zamaldelica. I don't think back cross to malawi to be the best move, but i havn't grown either fems or regs of zamaldelica. I believe there are a few variations in genetic make up of current zamaldelica regs, not just malawi back cross. Fem zamaldelica is still zamal x golden tiger, yet again just inbred.

Anyhow, sorry for long off topic post everyone, i just didn't want those who seen the posts turned off Ace for untruthful claims.

Have a good one everybody!

 

[Dr.King]

It sounds like I got into the Ace game a little late as far as pure sativas goes. How would you guys feel about putting some more thai back in to golden tiger or zamaldelica yourself? I've got (2) zamaldelica and (5) double thai started. Do you think crossing the two would bring back more of the "old" zamaldelica? I've been wanting to order the golden tiger but everyone here lately has me kinda down about it. With all that being said I doubt I'll know it's not the "best" golden tiger or zamaldelica as I doubt I've ever had a truly good sativa. I've never smoked anything that I felt was trippy or psychedelic.

Mr. Roseberry

I can't speak for everyone else but Ace's Oldtimer's Haze with a 3 month cure is my holy grail weed. It is by far the most potent weed that felt if I was having small induced psychedelic moments. Then again I have been smoking high grade for over 10 years now without a single day break of smoking . That was only under a 400 watt light too, can't wait to grow them outside. Grown about half of Ace's stock. Growing out Zamal, Golden Tiger, purple haze x malawi and lastly Panama Haze. Their new releases sounded so beautiful I have to try them. Had to grab Back to the Congo got 30 of them. Heard people say Ace is stopping breeding on their Double thai so I grabbed 30 of them before they run out but waiting for Dubi to conform this. Also plan to run Ace's Thai Stick next round, opium baths sound quite nice. Hoping for more of a thai on my Zamals this round, cant wait. Good luck to others hoping to find what their after.

 

[Claude Hopper]

You did not miss out on anything, you made a great choice. The panic by one well meaning poster is overblown, the idea that all ACE strains are suddenly ruined is absurd at the very best.
Trippy or psychedelic is all subjective. Many people who remember such effects were young when they first smoked a Thai etc that tripped them out.

Thanks for this post.

Ace is Amazing, Look at what they have done with the breeder packs: offer us the very foundations of their work allowing us to build our own lines.

I always save some seeds from my best plants. I remember years ago before the internet not having anywhere to get seeds. It was really tough when I moved away from my connections and into a very conservative area. I went at least 15 years running off the year before's seed crop.

Try ciphering out some of the other breeders strains and Ace quickly rises to the top.

 

[zachrockbadenof]

dubi sent me some GT fem's from 2011 (thanks).. they are soaking now... I am hoping to fine a couple of gems with these seeds...
will update

 

[Mr. Roseberry]

That was only under a 400 watt light too, can't wait to grow them outside.

Just curious, how long does your OTH go indoors? I'm probably gonna include the green haze with my next order. Along with a few others

Thanks

Mr. Roseberry

 

[Dr.King]

Just curious, how long does your OTH go indoors?

Thanks

Mr. Roseberry

The OTH pheno I showed off was a 24 week one. Took a while but she was well worth the wait. Hard to control even with such a big tent. Couldn't fit more then 3 in a 5'x5'x7' tent.

 

[MadMac]

after 6 weeks of flower i can say this is a huge huge plant with great branching and very big colas

 

[vinrusso]

It sounds like I got into the Ace game a little late as far as pure sativas goes. How would you guys feel about putting some more thai back in to golden tiger or zamaldelica yourself? I've got (2) zamaldelica and (5) double thai started. Do you think crossing the two would bring back more of the "old" zamaldelica? I've been wanting to order the golden tiger but everyone here lately has me kinda down about it. With all that being said I doubt I'll know it's not the "best" golden tiger or zamaldelica as I doubt I've ever had a truly good sativa. I've never smoked anything that I felt was trippy or psychedelic.

Mr. Roseberry

The feminized GT from Seedsman might still have the old Fem GT. Or ask Dubi if he still has the Koh Chang seeds you can buy. You'll love it. The problem with trying to make the "Old" Zamaldelica is the later double Thai didn't have Meaio Thai. It was Hmong X Vietnam black. The Zamal and Meaio thai TOGETHER is what makes the Mushroom effect. Ace used to sell Meaio Thai X Zamal some years back and it was all Electric, Trippy. No Malawi.

 

[vinrusso]

So if that is the best gt youve seen nothing Special My xperience is that ace have best . When i tried queen mother or other best sativas from other banks it was just half quality in compare to ace good selected fems. but i understand and respect your opinion . For example ive had some nlhaze monster yielding pheno everyone was hungry from that really good looking pictures. But after two weeks it was just above average ... curious about double zamal. Im tryong eskobars oaxaca sp called ibl

The guys GT Meaio Thai Pheno were rare in the old GT. Some people think it was the best. (Terpene). They went 130 days at least but worth it. I think it's a beautiful GT expression. I never had the pleasure to smoke it.

 

[vinrusso]

Hi Mr. Roseberry,

I wouldn't worry or second guess your decisions about your current ace seeds or purchasing golden tiger.

To my knowledge, and I have frequented the ace forums for quite along time, none of the accusations made have any truth.

Golden tiger genetics have not been crossed with Vietnamese and whatever else was said. They have just been inbred more generations. I have grown first release of fems and current stock. Both great, thai leaning phenos easily found in both. same deal with malawi as well, have grown old regs, old fems, and new fems. Not much changed there either. Their is a a bit less variation in current versions, for the better in my opinion, I suppose that some may have wanted the variation though. And still enough variation to please those looking for phenos leaning to either side.

I can't speak from experience, but i believe it would be the same with bangi haze, it seems illogical to cross it to an indica when it is already extremely fast flowering. No genetic change, Dubi simply feels calling it a 60/40 hybrid is more accurate, he has stated this.

I do however agree with that poster on zamaldelica. I don't think back cross to malawi to be the best move, but i havn't grown either fems or regs of zamaldelica. I believe there are a few variations in genetic make up of current zamaldelica regs, not just malawi back cross. Fem zamaldelica is still zamal x golden tiger, yet again just inbred.

Anyhow, sorry for long off topic post everyone, i just didn't want those who seen the posts turned off Ace for untruthful claims.

Have a good one everybody!

Your wrong man. Even Dubi would admit that the Reg GT and the Fem are different. Koh chang dominant Fem lasty year. As for Reg GT. Why do you think he's giving them away? Even Dubi would admit that. Where did the Meaio Thai come from in the newer additions? ACE has no Meaio thai for some time now. The same with the Fem. It was Koh Chang dominant and Hmong or Vietnam black. And the plants are like night and day. Go back on the forum and look at Hoots Vertical GT grow. 130 days, and looks unreal. GT's don't go 15 16 weeks anymore.( except the Fem Koh Chang.

 

[stimp]

Hi Vin,

I am aware fem and reg golden tiger are different. Ace has given been giving away older seeds for as long as i have been purchasing them at least, so giving them away is no surprise at all.

Maybe I am misunderstanding something? But ace no longer has need for the meaio thai male, golden tiger is not f1, it is inbred like most all of ace's lines, currently f3? Could be slightly off on what particular generation it is.

I also have no need to review Hoots journal, I have seen it and he/she sure grew some beauties, however I have personal experience with old and new fem and reg. So I don't need to review a journal to know. There are significant differences between the fem and reg, night and day is a stretch though. 15-16 week phenos are still in there, even longer going ones are common in the fems.

You are entitled to your opinion, and I truly don't mean to be insulting, but where is the evidence for these claims, other than your subjective opinions? Unless I am presented with non-subjective evidence i will not respond and continue this derailment.

Hope your all doing well.

 

[vinrusso]

Hi Vin,

I am aware fem and reg golden tiger are different. Ace has given been giving away older seeds for as long as i have been purchasing them at least, so giving them away is no surprise at all.

Maybe I am misunderstanding something? But ace no longer has need for the meaio thai male, golden tiger is not f1, it is inbred like most all of ace's lines, currently f3? Could be slightly off on what particular generation it is.

I also have no need to review Hoots journal, I have seen it and he/she sure grew some beauties, however I have personal experience with old and new fem and reg. So I don't need to review a journal to know. There are significant differences between the fem and reg, night and day is a stretch though. 15-16 week phenos are still in there, even longer going ones are common in the fems.

You are entitled to your opinion, and I truly don't mean to be insulting, but where is the evidence for these claims, other than your subjective opinions? Unless I am presented with non-subjective evidence i will not respond and continue this derailment.

Hope your all doing well.

What fem GT did you buy in 2012? These came out early last year. As for the Meiao. Dubi lost it, though theft or whatever. It's from CBG. It is Dubi's favorite Thai. As for the Koh Chang Thai it's awesome.

 

[Terpene]

The feminized GT from Seedsman might still have the old Fem GT. Or ask Dubi if he still has the Koh Chang seeds you can buy. You'll love it. The problem with trying to make the "Old" Zamaldelica is the later double Thai didn't have Meaio Thai. It was Hmong X Vietnam black. The Zamal and Meaio thai TOGETHER is what makes the Mushroom effect. Ace used to sell Meaio Thai X Zamal some years back and it was all Electric, Trippy. No Malawi.

The guys GT Meaio Thai Pheno were rare in the old GT. Some people think it was the best. (Terpene). They went 130 days at least but worth it. I think it's a beautiful GT expression. I never had the pleasure to smoke it.

Please do not include me in the bashing of the Ace Seeds lineup. I do not agree with you.

 

[stimp]

Hi vin,

I am unsure what year i bought the earlier fems, was a few years ago no, was the first fem release of GT is all i remember, late 2011 or sometime in 2012 i would think.

I know the meao thai is from cbg and was lost or let go. I'm just pointing out that they no longer require it, for GT at least, inbred many generations like most of their lines.

I agree the thai dominant expressions in fem gt are incredible. I am curious where the info of later double thai being vietnam black x hmong comes from? Maybe a strain description mix up up with vietnam black thai perhaps? And I would just like to add dubi has used hmong and meao thai interchangeably, believe they are the same strain.

 

[Thcvhunter]

Meao is a derogatory word for the Hmong people.
"Meao Thai" ought never have been named Meao. It ought to have been named Hmong thai from the beginning.

As I recall, while the Meao thai from CBG stock was still being released in Golden Tiger, Dubi informed us that ACE would now be using a Hmong Thai ---- not renaming it, but using a different plant

These days, Snowhigh offers releases with CBG's Meao Thai

 

[GET MO]

Throwback thursday!

Golden Tiger

 

[Golden Tree]

Great point Mr. THCV.....and as always shite you knowledgeable Dude...I learn something new everytime you post....

Cheers brother!

Thanks for sharing...

GT

 

[Golden Tree]

Did you say Sativa thursday?....lololo

Or SATIVA handshakes.....

Either way....

Beautiful Golden Tiger.....looks beautiful...thanks for sharing...

 

[Genghis Kush]

"A few groups designated as Miao by the PRC do not even agree that they belong to the ethnic group, though most Miao groups, such as the Hmong and Hmub, do agree with the collective grouping as a single ethnic group - Miao." --wikipedia

 

[stimp]

Hi all,

I don't post often so im unsure how to just quote a piece of a post, but this is a post from dubi. post #601, on page 38 (it is first post pg 41) i think.

"Golden Tiger Standard -> The standard version of Golden Tiger has stronger Malawi influence, contains only one Thai strain (Hmong/Meo) and the flowering is sligthly shorter than the feminized version."

He refers to it as one strain it seems. Anyhow ima stop with these posts and let peeps continue with their great pics ect.

Beautiful pics GET MO and Golden Tree.

Hope everyone is doing well.