Getting off the "Bottle".... how I DIY ALL my nutes.

[Old Uncle Ben]

Well it's not a cal deficiency. Must be mag. Or nitrogen. Something tells me you'd say if you knew.

Uncle ben you've officially been added to the guru list.

Micros aka trace elements. Looking at the leaves suggests either Zn or Fe. Herein lies the problem with "bloom" foods, they usually induce micro deficiencies. Goes hand in hand with low N foods, another reason why I preach the use of a balanced food with a good micros "package" start to finish. By "balanced" I mean a NPK ratio close to a 1-1-1 or preferably a 3-1-2.

2nd, as folks throw stuff at their faves like epsom salts or CalShit per the usual forum mis-diagnosis, they don't know what to look for adding one thing or another exacerbating the problem. For example, Mg deficiencies start at the lower leaves working its way up mid level showing some chlorosis and/or the leaves going light/pale yellow. I see little, if any at all Mg chlorosis at IC Mag.

Micro deficiencies are always reflected in the upper level leaves.

For lack of having an example of cannabis chlorosis in my gardens past and present, here's a recent pic I took of some nasty chlorosis going on with my Meyer lemon tree. Since been corrected with Peters 25-5-15.

Greenhouse citrus got hit hard with spider mites too which will turn the leaves a pale green. Mites love cannabis. As an aside, picked 233 of this incredible fruit this year. Makes for some great lemon bars. We just made those bars today but using my Persian limes instead of lemons. 2 TB. of fresh zest makes them.

Good luck,
Uncle Ben

 

[xtsho]

Micros aka trace elements. Looking at the leaves suggests either Zn or Fe. Herein lies the problem with "bloom" foods, they usually induce micro deficiencies. Goes hand in hand with low N foods, another reason why I preach the use of a balanced food with a good micros "package" start to finish. By "balanced" I mean a NPK ratio close to a 1-1-1 or preferably a 3-1-2.

2nd, as folks throw stuff at their faves like epsom salts or CalShit per the usual forum mis-diagnosis, they don't know what to look for adding one thing or another exacerbating the problem. For example, Mg deficiencies start at the lower leaves working its way up mid level showing some chlorosis and/or the leaves going light/pale yellow. I see little, if any at all Mg chlorosis at IC Mag.

Micro deficiencies are always reflected in the upper level leaves.

For lack of having an example of cannabis chlorosis in my gardens past and present, here's a recent pic I took of some nasty chlorosis going on with my Meyer lemon tree. Since been corrected with Peters 25-5-15.

Greenhouse citrus got hit hard with spider mites too which will turn the leaves a pale green. Mites love cannabis. As an aside, picked 233 of this incredible fruit this year. Makes for some great lemon bars. We just made those bars today but using my Persian limes instead of lemons. 2 TB. of fresh zest makes them.

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Good luck,
Uncle Ben

I love the CalShit terminology.

It's crazy how so many seem to think calmag is some kind of magic potion. Many don't even understand that it's just Ca and Mg. I've seen so many threads over the years where someone is having issues and then you hear that they're growing in soil that already contains adequate amounts of calcium, using tap water which has calcium, and adding calmag every watering along with whatever nutrient they're using which also has more than enough calcium. Now they're turning their soil calcareous which will cause deficiencies. Calcium is antagonistic with many nutrients.

It gets annoying seeing some yahoo with 16 bottles of nonsense and crappy looking plants telling some new grower to add more stuff to fix problems caused by using too much stuff.

This is what's printed on the label of the VitaGrow I use sometimes.

 

[Old Uncle Ben]

It gets annoying seeing some yahoo with 16 bottles of nonsense and crappy looking plants telling some new grower to add more stuff to fix problems caused by using too much stuff.

Good one!

 

[mexweed]

People also grow in too small of containers a lot of times and never do routine fresh water flushes because they have their mind set on some ppm level, they are asking for toxic buildup/lockout

 

[negative37dBA]

Staying off the bottle and getting ready to produce some more chlorotic buds...woot!

Have a sweet day. Peace, negative.

 

[negative37dBA]

Running Jacks at full strength this go round. Feel like I have been taking it to easy on the plants considering the high powered system I have. So we are at day 26 and running a 1.5 EC. Have been for at least 2 weeks. Kept it at .08 to 1.0 EC the first 2 weeks. Plants are doing well but are showing some signs of tip burn. Not so hung up on that as I used to be. The plants are telling me they are right at their limit. My co2 levels that are natural may be my limiting factor. I also have a VPD that is way off from ideal. No way I am getting my humidity up to 55 without some changes. It usually sits at 30 if I am lucky. Still feeling great about where we sit.
I have stopped using any cal mag which I make myself in a 3 part solution. I am finding that they are not needing it with the full strength Jacks helping out. Looking forward to seeing what the next few weeks will bring.
GG4 clone only. The original and the best. Day 26 of flower.

Had to tie down one excited girl reaching high...

Have a sweet day. Peace, negative.

 

[stiff]

Looking good..keep up the great work

 

[CharlesU Farley]

How’d you get your name negative?

I'm always fascinated why people choose certain nyms, especially the ones that aren't blatantly obvious.

I'm almost afraid, given the ancient and obscure reference I'm about to use but...does your name have anything to do with admiration for a U.S. cannabis seed seller that used to work in HVAC? You probably have no idea what I'm taking about... and that will be a _good_ thing.

A Getting Off The Bottle thread will always get my attention.

 

[negative37dBA]

I'm always fascinated why people choose certain nyms, especially the ones that aren't blatantly obvious.

I'm almost afraid, given the ancient and obscure reference I'm about to use but...does your name have anything to do with admiration for a U.S. cannabis seed seller that used to work in HVAC? You probably have no idea what I'm taking about... and that will be a _good_ thing.

A Getting Off The Bottle thread will always get my attention.

I know exactly who you are talking about...lol. It did not come from that but that's a good guess. My name comes from a particular device that when placed on another particular device lowers sound levels...
Have a sweet day. Peace, negative.

 

[Persianfarmer]

Yes Sir...this is what I am talking about. We can do more with less. Quit getting played by fancy packaging and salesman speak. I don't know about you guys but I always feel better about doing something myself than paying for it to be done. Great work PolyChucker.
Love to hear more of these stories.
Peace, negative.

Hi Guys!
Very interesting info. Was just wondering if you had any recipe or tips for someone like me that grows outdoors? Also I cannot get my hands on these products, so is there recipes that you might suggest for DIY organic soil growth for outdoors?
Thanks and respect,
PF

 

[negative37dBA]

I do not do organic in any way so I have no info for you there. You are somewhere that you cannot get raw nutrients?? That seems weird. Do they grow food where you live?? How do those people get ferts? If you have no ability to get any of these items or something comparable I have no idea how to give you a recipe. I am not used to NOT being able to get anything so that's a new one for me.
Have a great day all. Peace, negative.

 

[Persianfarmer]

I do not do organic in any way so I have no info for you there. You are somewhere that you cannot get raw nutrients?? That seems weird. Do they grow food where you live?? How do those people get ferts? If you have no ability to get any of these items or something comparable I have no idea how to give you a recipe. I am not used to NOT being able to get anything so that's a new one for me.
Have a great day all. Peace, negative.

Well I live in Iran and of course there are chemical fertilizers but as I like to be very green and create my own fertz and do not have access to all those brands I meant. Was wondering if I could replicate them naturally. Like for example making Lacto B from scratch (which I do) or making blackstrap molasse from sugarcane leftovers etc… Anyways very kind for you to have taken the time to respond

 

[F_T_P!]

Killing it with the Jacks!! Make me want to switch back to salts, lol, nah but damn some fire ass weed you got there Negative. Running organics and make my own plant/animal based nutes. I used to love making my own salt recipes, looks like you got your shit dialed. Do you use triacontanol? If not you should add it to the regimen.

 

[I Care]

I wanna get back to the mixing of nutrients. ratios, additions to jacks 3/2/1. changing of nutrient sources. aminos & fulvics , calcium sources, benefical microbes, enzymes, natural pgrs an other additives.

has anyone done any controlled experiments with their nutrients, and or tested for terpenes?

Increeasing terpene's is what has driven me the last few years.

Yo zero control but you should add some GO BTBloom, you brought up sulfur somewhere and of course I looked at the bottle I had on the counter and there it is; a small amount. I was given a jar of ferments to see if I can continue small grow with some extra organic andded to my semi organic inputs, it smells bad so I may have to keep it outside. Plan is to try use it as if it’s the usual hydro food and measure EC. then used half and half with the rest of the stuff I found as npk and micro. Used jacks tomato I bought to make up for the extra EC of NPK/Micros that organic doesn’t offer. I think it’s already happening that other growers are doing this on a level larger than the gallon jug.

 

[gmanwho]

been alot of additions since, some things been dropped. seems there isnt much interest here anymore. so i really dont post details anymore. all that trial an error

 

[I Care]

It makes sense because of the high level of experience many users of the forum have. Mixed with the fact that best we can provide are pictures. My own lack of ability to keep a full journal, try to put individual experience into words the way peopel agree with, also, that anybody/anywhere can understand. It’s a challenge, I know I have some strange talent and just not good at documenting and communicating that information in a way that doesn‘t instigate an ongoing disagreement.


Im currently buffering a manure and osmocote based 5gAl that ran off at a high 7.4 PH, it’s down to 7.1 now, now I’m running that water through my 10gal coco/peat/perlite aeration/grower/premier/perlite (PAGP as I wish to call it) that has been coming out lower than I want. It’s still running off at 5.5 so I’ll just keep going back and forth til they both neutralize.

safety meeting. pretty sure that proper lifting practice is to “lock your knees and lift with your back”

 

[CharlesU Farley]

... my own lack of ability to keep a full journal, try to put individual experience into words the way peopel agree with, also, that anybody/anywhere can understand. It’s a challenge, I know I have some strange talent and just not good at documenting and communicating that information in a way that doesn‘t instigate an ongoing disagreement.

I've been like that since I first got online in the mid '80s. It's the nature of internet communication, unfortunately. I can post a sentence that I think is the most innocuous, non-controversial statement and then be astounded at how people will misinterpret my meaning and come at me with guns blazing.

It's why I've just never done well in moderated, forum environments, until I became active here on ICM.

Still can't believe I haven't been kicked off here yet.

 

[Old Uncle Ben]

I've been like that since I first got online in the mid '80s. It's the nature of internet communication, unfortunately. I can post a sentence that I think is the most innocuous, non-controversial statement and then be astounded at how people will misinterpret my meaning and come at me with guns blazing.

It's why I've just never done well in moderated, forum environments, until I became active here on ICM.

Still can't believe I haven't been kicked off here yet.

Done triacontanol for decades by making a soil moisturizing slop of horse nuggets soaked in a bucket of water overnight. Nice to watch the yunguns discover stuff us old farts did 20 + years ago.

Speaking of years ago, will post pix later but @CharlesU Farley I went thru some OLD seeds 2 days ago at my dinner table, took a bunch of pix and found one cross I made dated 1998 - Positronics Haze X Positronics Jack Herer. Soaked 3 of them overnight and sowed them yesterday afternoon. One had popped with its tale out! We're talking 26 years ago!!!!! Also soaked/sowed 2 Ace Golden Tiger X Panama.

Alfalfa slop on my soil mix turned in with a shovel.

UB

 

[jackspratt61]

Done triacontanol for decades by making a soil moisturizing slop of horse nuggets soaked in a bucket of water overnight. Nice to watch the yunguns discover stuff us old farts did 20 + years ago.

Speaking of years ago, will post pix later but @CharlesU Farley I went thru some OLD seeds 2 days ago at my dinner table, took a bunch of pix and found one cross I made dated 1995 - Positronics Haze X Positronics Jack Herer. Soaked 3 of them overnight and sowed them yesterday afternoon. One had popped with its tale out! We're talking 29 years ago!!!!! Also soaked/sowed 2 Ace Golden Tiger X Panama.

Alfalfa slop on my soil mix turned in with a shovel.

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UB

Interesting old genetics

 

[I Care]

Honestly the biggest problem I have is just remember who to credit for all the stuff I read past/present.

On a journey today, finding what others use for dirt And what that means for soul content. Basically just found exactly what I need to mix the ridiculously expensive soul I bought. Really should find out whatever it is that may the soil such a high pH when I was trying to give the plant a simply balanced solution.

We got some rain here and it really did cause a beating on the plants and little desire for haste I allowed a few to sacrifice, i grew those leaves and they really showed their value when they lost their color this week. I almost bought osmocote today, instead I bought epsoma bone and a bonide root booster at the homo creepo. It’s so easy to say it even though I love the place. They supplied 70% of everything I used years ago, and they still haven’t raised their prices on HDX domes, or splitters or the 23w cfls I was able to. b ba da na de ba de an de de

I am committed to this crazy ml squirtin back breakin method Of dumping like as much of the the pot volume of crack solution until the pots clogged up. Pots that wouldn’t water log recieved compost soil mixed into their woody/ph=lockout substrate while the pot was flooded to the brim.

I know I have strayed yet further away from the advice of my peers, but I haven’t established a full functioning set up until recently. I’m a little brosbit broshit crazy momentarily, with some
method to the madness. It toolk me a whole day to fix some soil batween smoke breaks and the run to my humble national provider.

Im catching on to things when I get the chance to browse the discussions. I did finally get my dirty hands on a can of osmocote and for lack of better judgement I was unable to bring myself to stray from the trail of hopelessness. The gallon of grow big almost doubled at the stores since last year and still to have to put your methods together on a few pots to compliment the mogul domeconomy LED project.

@OUB you fit a long list of stuff in your head and youve also got the collection. what do you think is the low light req. sticky heavy pain-kill-leaning sweet berry hydro smoke like let’s say someone may grown start to finish maybe under tube lights. not a yielder, not a fielder but soggy sticky veggie lovers peel and eat droponi That really rewards crazy chlorphile.