I have personally researched for years. Genetics behind Amnesia and G13haze. New one in Holland after 2000's. Not saying of old Nevile cuts(CG13haze,AG13haze...). After growing many,many seeds S1,crosses F1,F2....of that genetics. Talking with guys in NL coffeshops....This is my story.
Part of the story is about people's standard picking the easier way. The first thing I realized after planting many seeds strains that most of them are same genetics who are just renamed.
The other important thing is that very few people cross the varieties and deal with the right ones aka. real breeding. Most of today seed banks are just buying seeds and rename it.
Look how many OG genetics have sverve's Cali C. OG/afghan as father or mother....also these goes with Amnesias...and all hyped strains in these seed business. I dont hate anybody but we want truth.
Amnesia is my favourite strain from first try and it was long time ago first Amnesia that i try was one from SOMA seeds. In mid of 2000's. And from that time i had grown many of SSH,corecut,Amnesias etc...seeds cuts etc. What i have found that new Amnesias after 2008-10 is some kind of Amnesia hybrd and it was never good as old one. Always more stoney high and more fruty candy than before but also it has some part of that incense smell Then i start my project.
What i have found is this.
The story is simple but foggy for reason to sell flowers and seeds in the Netherlands and the world.
First Amnesia come in 1995-6. It was made by NL5hazeCxSkunkHazeA.
It has that C5 smells but with Amonia(dead fish/whale )smell added from skunk-hazeA and strong Incense smells and taste of best quality which come in crosses of C and A haze of Nevile genetics.
It was year before SSH seeds. From this seed line they found one plant which was overpowered haze high and flower time was 14 weeks. But genetics by itself did not satisfy for the sake of hermaphroditism and instability in seed line. So they made new SSH NL5hazeCXskunkhazeC from this seeds line come today SSH more fruty and more up not so devastating high like A haze crosses and not so strong incense notes like skunk-haze A male line before but more stable and better for Indoor grow rooms.
In 1998 That cut of 1st try of haze hybridization from 95-96 it was close to new SSH of 98+ but more strong and better overal in smoke,taste,smell...but flower time was to long for commercial purposes. It was closer to Neville Haze,Ag13haze,C5haze,A5haze,Cg 13haze...
In south of holland this cut is called 98 ''Amnesia Haze'' cut(14week flower nesel cut in NL very rear flowery,ginger,peppery real with dead fish smell a little 1st Amnesia Haze ) and it is Original and it is close to SSH line but little different in smell and high is strong like SkunkHazeA hybrids. Stronger than hazeC after smoking that cut lots of people would drop the pressure and it would be no good to them to strong high. And hard core smokers have weed hangovers next day caused by it. With its strength it soon spread all over the Netherlands.
And then lots of breeders try to make shorter flowering of that cut but keep the potency of it.
One of the best breeders and well known are boys close to one of the best coffe shop in NL.
As someone state here before they try breedring with original 98 Amnesia Haze(Nl5hazeCxSkunkHazeA) to g13 indica male which brings down the flower time .
It's Amnesia Haze (1998 / 14 wk.) x G13 airborn indica(Reeferman) = Amnesia g13 you could by this cross in coffe shop Dampkring or by kiwi seeds. I grow it but from seeds Amnesia Haze from soma to me is better more Hazy.
Here is smoke report of Amnesia Haze x g13:
Looks: Dark, tight nuggets with bright orange hairs.
Smell: Besides the unique Amnesia Thai/wood/fruit smell you can detect a musty, earthy note from the G13.
Taste: Like the smell, a tropical punch of flavors with earthy, almost dusty undertones.
Buzz Type: There is an uplifting burst of sativa energy at the beginning, but soon the high gets heavier and trippy leaving you wrecked with a big grin on your face.
Buzz Length: Long. 2-3 hours.
Its all happened around 2000 further breeding goes in
1)Amnesia H x G13 airborn male = G13-Amnesia F1
2) Amnesia H x F1 sativa male 12 wk. = G13-Am. Haze *
F1 sativa male = 12 wk = Amnesia H x G13 airborn male
Soma tells the story on page 78 of his book Organic Marijuana Soma Style: “In 2001 I tried sprouting some very old G-13 Haze seeds that came from Neville of cannabis genetics fame, They were created in 1988. I had ten of these 13-year-old seeds. Only one sprouted and it was a male. That left me with but one choice – in order to use the genetics, I had to breed the male to some of my existing strains and select some choice female phenotypes. As the G-13 Haze crosses circulate the globe, many growers are totally enthused by what they have come up with from these seeds. It has brought a heavy sativa influence to all the strains it has been hybridised with.”
Soma wrote in his Hybridisation article: “In my newest crossings between the G-13 Haze male (wanted to bring more of the sativa genetics into the mix) and Buddha’s Sister, Somango, Somativa, White Willow, Lavender, Citralah, White Light, New York City Diesel, Rockbud, Reclining Buddha, and Free Tibet, I am finding some of the finest plants ever.”
Also Soma which himself didnt breed much ,He give the G13 haze male to guys who breed many strains like Willy Nelson + Reeferman,G13haze,G13 Amnesia Haze,Utopia Haze,Top Dawg,Red Diesel,Ceres Hilton + Karma,Top Dawg x NCY Diesel.....they breed for White Label,Bareny Farm,Soma Seeds...and lots of seed companies breed with them or buy crosses from them not so much breeders back than so as today it's easier to resell than to work with genetics.
Soma when give him his G13hazeC take seeds from 2) Amnesia H x F1 sativa male 12 wk. = G13-Am. Haze * and from this line he found his cup wining ''indica'' Haze clone which flowers in 70 days maximum from 2004.
After this exange Soma makes from his harem fems plant + G13Amnesiahaze all polinated by G13hazeC and seed from this polination he is selling online as G13hazeC male x fems also he relise his G13 haze for one year, also as this breeder:
1) Amnesia H x G13 airborn male = G13-Amnesia F1
2) Amnesia H x F1 sativa male 12 wk. = G13-Am. Haze *
3) G13-Am. H. x G13 sativa male(Soma) = G13 Haze
G13 sativa male(Soma) = G13HazeC famous male cut from Soma
Soma also offers a seedline called Amnesia Haze which he claims he created from a Laotian sativa female and Shantibaba's Afghan/Hawaiian male, the strain description he wrote gives no clues to the lineage however: “Amnesia Haze is one of the finest Hazes Soma Seeds has to offer. The smell and taste are unforgettable, until you smoke it and forget everything!”
Amnesia Haze was released in 2003 at the same time as the G13Haze crosses and was entered in the 2004 Cannabis Cup by where it won overall 1st place. Soma makes no mention of the breeding process that created Amnesia Haze in his book Organic Marijuana Soma Style.
But it was obvious that the clone winner of CC2004 is a much shorter bloom than the seed plants that are 13-16 weeks flower time. So this is lineage of G13 hazes in Amsterdam and Somas Amnesia Haze.
Also core cut is 98 Amnesia Haze x bubblegum so it has that little Amnesia haze smell but with more candyness. Also people like Somas Amnesia haze cuz after boosting with G13hazeC ,Also, being a Haze dominant phenotype with minimal G13 influence being apparent in his progeny, it can be considered that it has similar breeding properties to the original Haze C male that fathered it. He boosted back Haze influence and come back closer to real Amnesia Haze.
Also if you see 2003 crosses:
Rockbud,Lavander,WhiteWillow,Somativa,NYC Diesel,Buddhasister,Freetibet, R.Buddah,Whitelight,Citralah,Somango all are x g13hazeC only name from that year is Amnesia Haze without g13hazeC so truth is,that it is:
G13Amnesia Haze x G13hazeC -- its lineage of Soma Amnesia Haze.
Part of the story is about people's standard picking the easier way. The first thing I realized after planting many seeds strains that most of them are same genetics who are just renamed.
The other important thing is that very few people cross the varieties and deal with the right ones aka. real breeding. Most of today seed banks are just buying seeds and rename it.
Look how many OG genetics have sverve's Cali C. OG/afghan as father or mother....also these goes with Amnesias...and all hyped strains in these seed business. I dont hate anybody but we want truth.
Amnesia is my favourite strain from first try and it was long time ago first Amnesia that i try was one from SOMA seeds. In mid of 2000's. And from that time i had grown many of SSH,corecut,Amnesias etc...seeds cuts etc. What i have found that new Amnesias after 2008-10 is some kind of Amnesia hybrd and it was never good as old one. Always more stoney high and more fruty candy than before but also it has some part of that incense smell Then i start my project.
What i have found is this.
The story is simple but foggy for reason to sell flowers and seeds in the Netherlands and the world.
First Amnesia come in 1995-6. It was made by NL5hazeCxSkunkHazeA.
It has that C5 smells but with Amonia(dead fish/whale )smell added from skunk-hazeA and strong Incense smells and taste of best quality which come in crosses of C and A haze of Nevile genetics.
It was year before SSH seeds. From this seed line they found one plant which was overpowered haze high and flower time was 14 weeks. But genetics by itself did not satisfy for the sake of hermaphroditism and instability in seed line. So they made new SSH NL5hazeCXskunkhazeC from this seeds line come today SSH more fruty and more up not so devastating high like A haze crosses and not so strong incense notes like skunk-haze A male line before but more stable and better for Indoor grow rooms.
In 1998 That cut of 1st try of haze hybridization from 95-96 it was close to new SSH of 98+ but more strong and better overal in smoke,taste,smell...but flower time was to long for commercial purposes. It was closer to Neville Haze,Ag13haze,C5haze,A5haze,Cg 13haze...
In south of holland this cut is called 98 ''Amnesia Haze'' cut(14week flower nesel cut in NL very rear flowery,ginger,peppery real with dead fish smell a little 1st Amnesia Haze ) and it is Original and it is close to SSH line but little different in smell and high is strong like SkunkHazeA hybrids. Stronger than hazeC after smoking that cut lots of people would drop the pressure and it would be no good to them to strong high. And hard core smokers have weed hangovers next day caused by it. With its strength it soon spread all over the Netherlands.
And then lots of breeders try to make shorter flowering of that cut but keep the potency of it.
One of the best breeders and well known are boys close to one of the best coffe shop in NL.
As someone state here before they try breedring with original 98 Amnesia Haze(Nl5hazeCxSkunkHazeA) to g13 indica male which brings down the flower time .
It's Amnesia Haze (1998 / 14 wk.) x G13 airborn indica(Reeferman) = Amnesia g13 you could by this cross in coffe shop Dampkring or by kiwi seeds. I grow it but from seeds Amnesia Haze from soma to me is better more Hazy.
Here is smoke report of Amnesia Haze x g13:
Looks: Dark, tight nuggets with bright orange hairs.
Smell: Besides the unique Amnesia Thai/wood/fruit smell you can detect a musty, earthy note from the G13.
Taste: Like the smell, a tropical punch of flavors with earthy, almost dusty undertones.
Buzz Type: There is an uplifting burst of sativa energy at the beginning, but soon the high gets heavier and trippy leaving you wrecked with a big grin on your face.
Buzz Length: Long. 2-3 hours.
Its all happened around 2000 further breeding goes in
1)Amnesia H x G13 airborn male = G13-Amnesia F1
2) Amnesia H x F1 sativa male 12 wk. = G13-Am. Haze *
F1 sativa male = 12 wk = Amnesia H x G13 airborn male
Soma tells the story on page 78 of his book Organic Marijuana Soma Style: “In 2001 I tried sprouting some very old G-13 Haze seeds that came from Neville of cannabis genetics fame, They were created in 1988. I had ten of these 13-year-old seeds. Only one sprouted and it was a male. That left me with but one choice – in order to use the genetics, I had to breed the male to some of my existing strains and select some choice female phenotypes. As the G-13 Haze crosses circulate the globe, many growers are totally enthused by what they have come up with from these seeds. It has brought a heavy sativa influence to all the strains it has been hybridised with.”
Soma wrote in his Hybridisation article: “In my newest crossings between the G-13 Haze male (wanted to bring more of the sativa genetics into the mix) and Buddha’s Sister, Somango, Somativa, White Willow, Lavender, Citralah, White Light, New York City Diesel, Rockbud, Reclining Buddha, and Free Tibet, I am finding some of the finest plants ever.”
Also Soma which himself didnt breed much ,He give the G13 haze male to guys who breed many strains like Willy Nelson + Reeferman,G13haze,G13 Amnesia Haze,Utopia Haze,Top Dawg,Red Diesel,Ceres Hilton + Karma,Top Dawg x NCY Diesel.....they breed for White Label,Bareny Farm,Soma Seeds...and lots of seed companies breed with them or buy crosses from them not so much breeders back than so as today it's easier to resell than to work with genetics.
Soma when give him his G13hazeC take seeds from 2) Amnesia H x F1 sativa male 12 wk. = G13-Am. Haze * and from this line he found his cup wining ''indica'' Haze clone which flowers in 70 days maximum from 2004.
After this exange Soma makes from his harem fems plant + G13Amnesiahaze all polinated by G13hazeC and seed from this polination he is selling online as G13hazeC male x fems also he relise his G13 haze for one year, also as this breeder:
1) Amnesia H x G13 airborn male = G13-Amnesia F1
2) Amnesia H x F1 sativa male 12 wk. = G13-Am. Haze *
3) G13-Am. H. x G13 sativa male(Soma) = G13 Haze
G13 sativa male(Soma) = G13HazeC famous male cut from Soma
Soma also offers a seedline called Amnesia Haze which he claims he created from a Laotian sativa female and Shantibaba's Afghan/Hawaiian male, the strain description he wrote gives no clues to the lineage however: “Amnesia Haze is one of the finest Hazes Soma Seeds has to offer. The smell and taste are unforgettable, until you smoke it and forget everything!”
Amnesia Haze was released in 2003 at the same time as the G13Haze crosses and was entered in the 2004 Cannabis Cup by where it won overall 1st place. Soma makes no mention of the breeding process that created Amnesia Haze in his book Organic Marijuana Soma Style.
But it was obvious that the clone winner of CC2004 is a much shorter bloom than the seed plants that are 13-16 weeks flower time. So this is lineage of G13 hazes in Amsterdam and Somas Amnesia Haze.
Also core cut is 98 Amnesia Haze x bubblegum so it has that little Amnesia haze smell but with more candyness. Also people like Somas Amnesia haze cuz after boosting with G13hazeC ,Also, being a Haze dominant phenotype with minimal G13 influence being apparent in his progeny, it can be considered that it has similar breeding properties to the original Haze C male that fathered it. He boosted back Haze influence and come back closer to real Amnesia Haze.
Also if you see 2003 crosses:
Rockbud,Lavander,WhiteWillow,Somativa,NYC Diesel,Buddhasister,Freetibet, R.Buddah,Whitelight,Citralah,Somango all are x g13hazeC only name from that year is Amnesia Haze without g13hazeC so truth is,that it is:
G13Amnesia Haze x G13hazeC -- its lineage of Soma Amnesia Haze.
