Gender dysphoria and the trans movement.
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The study showed positive mental health outcomes with gender treatment. Testosterone can benefit some old men, but is not atreatment for depression. Testosterone has dangers, so like with hormone treatment for teens, its weighing up the benefits and risks.
Your argument seems to be dont treat minors because maybe there might be issues in the future. You've got no issue with the mental health consequences of an untreated teenager?
By your logic you wouldn't treat a young person with antidepressants, ADHD drugs? These can have long term consequences. Drs use all sorts of treatment they dont fully understand, but weigh up positives and negatives, and treat whats in front of them.
Just like that bullshit you both just tried to do. You think you proved something ? Jems posted a study with way more people in the study and the conclusion contradicts what you both posted
He also posted one about minors , one that I’ve reposted MANY times in a response to you and you want touch it because we both know the deal.
He also posted one about minors , one that I’ve reposted MANY times in a response to you and you want touch it because we both know the deal.
For the same reason. They can be very harmful. How many cases are there in the US that involve testing non trans minors with hormone blockers that suppress the pituitary gland ?
You can’t be so dense that you think only old men take testosterone. Either way, the argument you are making is no different principally.
I never said testosterone is a depression treatment. But what you are saying is hormone blocking / replacement IS mental health treatment for that group in the study. You can’t be a hypocrite and have it both ways
Lol, thanks for rescuing this shitty thread.In November this thread was dead. I didn’t see you anywhere in it. I’m not dictating anything. You just show up not having been involved for months and think you know what’s been going on.
I was involved early on, 4th post page 1. I don't post in speakers corner as much as I used to, because it is a shit hole. Sometimes I get motivated to do so. Don't assume because I haven't been posting that I haven't read it.
I'll post when and where I like, and reply when I feel like it.
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iirc, the one jems posted they only did a review of case studies and did a kinda 1 for 1 look at the numbers without an analysis of (for example) the before and the after of each patient, and they didn't even compare ppl with gender dysphoria who did and did not transition to see if it tracks, iirc... and also, as i pointed put earlier, wonder what those numbers look like in a society where trans folks are accepted
all i know is "more data needed", and i know you're not an expert so i remain unconvinced, this is a nuanced subject
i don't think it does, but i've only skimmed it so far. the cornell one is nice because it's a review of other material, it isn't just looking at case studies.
iirc, the one jems posted they only did a review of case studies and did a kinda 1 for 1 look at the numbers without an analysis of (for example) the before and the after of each patient, and they didn't even compare ppl with gender dysphoria who did and did not transition to see if it tracks, iirc... and also, as i pointed put earlier, wonder what those numbers look like in a society where trans folks are accepted
That’s the problem. You don’t understand the consequences that come from endocrine disruption. It’s not a matter of IF something happens in the future. It’s when.
Instead of only relying on studies done for trans people, how about you stop being so narrow minded and focus on what is known when we use these drugs on other groups.
Not sure if you bothered to read anything about it but there is a mountain of information already out there about the known side effects and chronic conditions that occur from taking hormone replacement AND OR hormone blockers.
How do you think the kids mental health will be when they have an enlarged prostate at 20 ? Fuck it, shove a tune up there and strap a bag to them right ? Cardiovascular issues, no problem ? So what if our internal organs enlarge ?
You haven’t been in months. I don’t care where you post. Don’t come in here acting like you know every fucking thing when clearly you don’t
As I said, I've read it. Stop acting like the thread police. If you don't like it, you fuck off.
I don’t care if your convinced. All I know is if you support this for minors your a fool. You act like your intelligent on this matter but refuse to read lol
. I’m just calling it what it is. You come here posting studies and get mad if questioned. You fit in perfect, stick around a while
World's Largest Pediatric Gender Clinic Shut Down Due To Poor Evidence, Risk of Harm and Operational Failures
The UK’s National Health Service will close the world’s largest pediatric gender clinic, the Gender Identity Development Service in London (GIDS) often known as the Tavistock, after the NHS Trust which houses it. An independent review condemned the clinic as “not a safe or viable long-term...
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This has been posted here many times. I’m sure you won’t read it. Even if you did, it wouldn’t matter. You worship a trans goat with wings. I would expect nothing less from you
A recent study by a youth mental health support organisation here.
Results: Forty-eight studies met inclusion criteria. Overall, puberty blockers were associated with improved general functioning and peer relations, and reduced depressive symptoms, suicidal ideation, and behavioural and emotional problems in trans and gender diverse young people. GAHT was associated with body image satisfaction and reduced psychological symptoms, including depression, anxiety, and suicidality. Gender-affirming surgery was associated with improved mental health outcomes, quality of life, and body image satisfaction.
Results: Forty-eight studies met inclusion criteria. Overall, puberty blockers were associated with improved general functioning and peer relations, and reduced depressive symptoms, suicidal ideation, and behavioural and emotional problems in trans and gender diverse young people. GAHT was associated with body image satisfaction and reduced psychological symptoms, including depression, anxiety, and suicidality. Gender-affirming surgery was associated with improved mental health outcomes, quality of life, and body image satisfaction.
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absolute bollocks . more bullshit . thanks chi . your contribution means a great deal
I’m assuming you haven’t read this ?
This has gone so past organic…keep promoting it though. All natural.
Then you guys complain if your herb or food isn’t organic.
I thought it would be unanimous that members of a growers forum would be against endocrine disrupters.
I guess on food is a no go. For kids, no problem
What?
I thought it would be unanimous that cannabis smokers would be tolerant of others choice, you know, being that we've been persecuted for our life choices for so long (and still are in my case). I guess you all need a good sativa.I thought it would be unanimous that members of a growers forum would be against endocrine disrupters.
I guess on food is a no go. For kids, no problem
