Gender dysphoria and the trans movement.

[eastcoastjoe]

The scary thing is that people like yourself, with no understanding of gender, or the psychological issues involved, think that they know best for teenagers they haven't met.

Yet you think these hormone blockers have no negative psychological affects?

 

[Chi13]

Yet you think these hormone blockers have no negative psychological affects?

I'm not a doctor and I doubt you are either.

I suspect hormone blockers do what they're supposed to from my limited reading. Every drug has some negatives. You have to weigh up positives vs negatives.

Have you considered the psychological effect of growing up trans in this society untreated? Have you looked at the issues trans had before these medical interventions.

 

[eastcoastjoe]

I'm not a doctor and I doubt you are either.

I suspect hormone blockers do what they're supposed to from my limited reading. Every drug has some negatives. You have to weigh up positives vs negatives.

Have you considered the psychological effect of growing up trans in this society untreated? Have you looked at the issues trans had before these medical interventions.

Then perhaps you should educate yourself on that part before forming an opinion? How can you make an intelligent argument without understanding all sides ?

 

[Hiddenjems]

The scary thing is that people like yourself, with no understanding of gender, or the psychological issues involved, think that they know best for teenagers they haven't met.

You don’t have to have all the answers to know not to cut your kids dick off.

My mother has a masters in psychology from before they started affirming the rantings of madmen.

 

[eastcoastjoe]

I'm not a doctor and I doubt you are either.

I suspect hormone blockers do what they're supposed to from my limited reading. Every drug has some negatives. You have to weigh up positives vs negatives.

Have you considered the psychological effect of growing up trans in this society untreated? Have you looked at the issues trans had before these medical interventions.

I have looked at all sides. These medications are destructive and cause irreversible damage. They also pose serious long term health issues

 

[Hiddenjems]

I'm not a doctor and I doubt you are either.

I suspect hormone blockers do what they're supposed to from my limited reading. Every drug has some negatives. You have to weigh up positives vs negatives.

Have you considered the psychological effect of growing up trans in this society untreated? Have you looked at the issues trans had before these medical interventions.

Hormones and hormone blockers given to children usually leave the person sterile.

 

[Chi13]

I have looked at all sides. These medications are destructive and cause irreversible damage. They also pose serious long term health issues

You're a medical researcher?

 

[Chi13]

Hormones and hormone blockers given to children usually leave the person sterile.

No, that is unlikely.

 

[eastcoastjoe]

You're a medical researcher?

I have a basic understanding of sex hormones and how the endocrine system works.
Are you a biologist ? Psychologist?

 

[eastcoastjoe]

No, that is unlikely.

Please explain how it is unlikely?

 

[Chi13]

Then perhaps you should educate yourself on that part before forming an opinion? How can you make an intelligent argument without understanding all sides ?

Limited reading does not mean no reading.

I have read enough to be aware of the contoversy, a number of articles. They seem relatively safe to me from what I've read.

 

[Chi13]

I have a basic understanding of sex hormones and how the endocrine system works.
Are you a biologist ? Psychologist?

I've done Psych as an undergraduate. Best mate is a practicing psychologist and I've had more than a few conversations on this topic with him.

I'm no biologist accept where my favourite plants are involved.

 

[eastcoastjoe]

Limited reading does not mean no reading.

I have read enough to be aware of the contoversy, a number of articles. They seem relatively safe to me from what I've read.

Doesn’t really matter if you have read some or none. If you don’t understand what these drugs do to the body, I don’t see how you can make an intelligent choice

 

[eastcoastjoe]

I've done Psych as an undergraduate. Best mate is a practicing psychologist and I've had more than a few conversations on this topic with him.

I'm no biologist accept where my favourite plants are involved.

And you have never studied the psychological impacts of blocking hormones ?

 

[Chi13]

And you have never studied the psychological impacts of blocking hormones ?

If I study something I'll read about 20 peer reviewed papers and draw conclusions, so no, nothing like that on this subject. I have read several articles. There seems more evidence of positive impacts, although a few I've read speak of negatives.

 

[Hiddenjems]

No, that is unlikely.

Have you read any medical literature on the subject?

Fertility Counseling for Transgender AYAs - PMC

Transgender adolescents and young adults may wish to use cross-sex hormones as means to achieve identity goals. However, these hormones may impair future reproductive functioning. This case explores the complexities related to clinical ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[arsekick]

If you are born a man and think you are a woman you're fucking nuts.
If you are born a woman and think you are a man you're fucking nuts


End of story

 

[eastcoastjoe]

No, that is unlikely.

If I study something I'll read about 20 peer reviewed papers and draw conclusions, so no, nothing like that on this subject. I have read several articles. There seems more evidence of positive impacts, although a few I've read speak of negatives.

So what makes you say it’s unlikely hormone blockers will make a person sterile ?

 

[Hiddenjems]

So what makes you say it’s unlikely hormone blockers will make a person sterile ?

They want to believe they can be anything they want, at no cost. The cost of transitioning genders is you can no longer reproduce.

 

[Chi13]

So what makes you say it’s unlikely hormone blockers will make a person sterile ?

This from the Lancet puts it best;
Puberty blockers are falsely claimed to cause infertility and to be irreversible, despite no substantiated evidence. The dominance of the infertility narrative, usually focused on child-bearing ability, perhaps reveals more about conservatives' commitment to women's role as child-bearers. Puberty blockers are framed as pushing children into taking hormones, whereas the time they provide allows for conversations with health providers and parents on different options. Gender transition involves many decisions over a long time, and those who take hormones do so because they are trans. Contrary to claims of a new phenomenon, trans youth have always existed; historians show they have sought trans medicine since it became possible: the 1930s in the USA.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanchi/article/PIIS2352-4642(21)00139-5/fulltext