AlexTrebek
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Gas powered pump thread..
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Still Invisible
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Just from my experience, digging a hole and putting the pump in it kills about 60% of the noise but it's not totally silent. Anonther thing I found with gas pumps is that if you have to pump uphill or a longer distance horizontal then you have to give the pump more revs and then it makes more noise.
I lost one grow due to someone hearing the pump and later coming to investigate, luckily I had strung cotton from tree to tree around the grow and so I knew someone had been there. I caught the maggot just as he was about to start harvesting my plants so I didn't lose any, but then I had to pull them early and lost a lot of yield.
I lost one grow due to someone hearing the pump and later coming to investigate, luckily I had strung cotton from tree to tree around the grow and so I knew someone had been there. I caught the maggot just as he was about to start harvesting my plants so I didn't lose any, but then I had to pull them early and lost a lot of yield.
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BigTex
I use a honda wx-10 and tried putting it in a hole to reduce the noise. After running for a couple hours it melted a hole in the gas tank because it wasn't cooling properly.
Just thought I'd throw that in there for anyone using the same pump. Aside from that it's been trouble free and a great pump. It's got several seasons under it's belt and still runs and pumps like a champ.
Still Invisible
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I'm not sure what mine is, I know it's a 2 stroke and it's called the ultralite. It weighs about 5 kilos and will fit into a backpack easily.
I got it from a local company and I think they made it up themselves.
It's been stashed out in the bush for the last 3 years, I hope it still goes, I had licence issues for a while and that meant I couldn't drive to my outdoor patches.
I'm too late for this summer season as I don't have a car yet, but hopefully I will be right for a winter/spring grow later this year.
Can't wait to get back into it.
Big Tex, you must have a plantation out there if you have to run the pump for 2 hours, it used to take me about 15 - 20 minutes to water 50 plants!
I got it from a local company and I think they made it up themselves.
It's been stashed out in the bush for the last 3 years, I hope it still goes, I had licence issues for a while and that meant I couldn't drive to my outdoor patches.
I'm too late for this summer season as I don't have a car yet, but hopefully I will be right for a winter/spring grow later this year.
Can't wait to get back into it.
Big Tex, you must have a plantation out there if you have to run the pump for 2 hours, it used to take me about 15 - 20 minutes to water 50 plants!
Use An Auto Muffler and more...
Use An Auto Muffler and more...
For 5 years we used a 5 HP Briggs & Stratton trash pump for a vertical rise of 30 feet. It was noisy so we adapted a small import car muffler. It made moving the pump (we hid it after pumping once a week) a bit more difficult, however the sound was localized. It pumped approximately 12,000 gallons per hour through a 2” fire hose. We ran it for 2-3 hours once a week and flood irrigated our flat.
We hiked 100 yards downstream and could barely hear the motor. When we climbed the canyon side, perhaps 800 of the total 1600 feet of steep canyon slope, we could still hear it, but could not localize it with our hearing. It was just a low drone coming from below in the canyon.
I highly recommend doing as much testing in this way as possible. It helps prevent mistakes in the long run.
Our method:
-Paint all shiny hose connections or fittings with flat brown, tan, or green spray paint. We sat on the rim of our canyon several times in order to see what our growsite looked like at different times of day, with different angles of sunlight. Did anything reflect light? Yes, the hose connections and shiny fittings, so we painted them.
-Did the flood irrigation reflect light? Yes, so we only fired up the pump at sunset so that water ponding across our alluvial flat did not shine like a mirror. In the late afternoon one of us watered as a test and another sat on the rim. Without even looking specifically at the area we were using in the canyon bottom the reflection caught the eye. When you looked down in puzzlement you could see reflections similar to a pond or lake’s reflection from afar. Not cool…
- Could you hear the pump from the canyon rim? Yes, so we added the car muffler. Could you tell where the low echo of a motor was coming from? Possibly, though not easily and certainly not with accuracy in respect to what part of the canyon the sound originated from. So we waited until sunset for any water application to minimize the likelihood that anyone, a rancher, cowboy, hunter, or hiker, could be along the canyon's edge. If they were there at night, all the would hear was an occasional drifting motor sound in the distance. Air movement through the canyon made the sound come and go over 2-5 second intervals.
- Did the growing area reflect at all the day after the flood irrigation? Yes, quite obviously and very out of place in the dry months like May and June (before the summer rains in July and August). The mud reflected somewhat like a mirror from the right angle. So we kept a large stash of leaves on hand at all times and spread them across the flat after watering....all by flashlights of course that we held in our mouths when we needed to use both hands. The nice LED headlamps that are available were not yet invented back in the 1970's. Some headlamps, like the one I own now, even have a red flip-down lense in addition to the typical clear lense. I really could have used such a low-level light back then. From a distance it probably would have been imperceptible. Even our simple flashlights passed our night distance tests when we once again looked at the growsite from the canyon rim in the dark of night. Only a small firefly amount every so often. In 6 years no one saw it as far as we know.
- Were footprints easy to see along the creek and long-lasting? Yes, so we never left footprints anywhere along the creek on our hike in or out which took about 1 ½ hours one-way. In 6 years we saw other footprints only twice; once from a hiker that hiked all the way through the canyon and out (we followed the prints to confirm) and the second time from a helicopter that landed (for who knows what reason) in the only flat in that part of the canyon that was big enough to land in safely. We followed the boot prints back to the flat where we found two helicopter skid imprints in the dirt. We thought maybe we were stretching our explanation a bit too much – a helicopter? No way, but what about those long imprints in the dirt? Closer examination on our knees revealed tiny silver metallic scrapes on the rocks that were imbedded in the dirt there, confirming that we weren’t hallucinating after all. A lot of raptor studies were taking place along riparian zones so it sort of made sense.
It’s always tempting and easier to negate the evidence rather than clearly prove your hypothesis with actual, indisputable evidence. It’s also easy to act like my friend who was growing in a nearby canyon and totally refute any likelihood of a person on the rim seeing him hiking below in the canyon bottom…in his bright straw hat and white t-shirt! His reasoning was that if he couldn’t see someone on the rim from his canyon bottom viewpoint, the same held true for them in reverse. If he had tested his theory (we did) he would have laughed (like we did) at the bright, white object moving around through the bushes below. He watered in the day as well. No wonder he eventually went down. So sad….
Use An Auto Muffler and more...
For 5 years we used a 5 HP Briggs & Stratton trash pump for a vertical rise of 30 feet. It was noisy so we adapted a small import car muffler. It made moving the pump (we hid it after pumping once a week) a bit more difficult, however the sound was localized. It pumped approximately 12,000 gallons per hour through a 2” fire hose. We ran it for 2-3 hours once a week and flood irrigated our flat.
We hiked 100 yards downstream and could barely hear the motor. When we climbed the canyon side, perhaps 800 of the total 1600 feet of steep canyon slope, we could still hear it, but could not localize it with our hearing. It was just a low drone coming from below in the canyon.
I highly recommend doing as much testing in this way as possible. It helps prevent mistakes in the long run.
Our method:
-Paint all shiny hose connections or fittings with flat brown, tan, or green spray paint. We sat on the rim of our canyon several times in order to see what our growsite looked like at different times of day, with different angles of sunlight. Did anything reflect light? Yes, the hose connections and shiny fittings, so we painted them.
-Did the flood irrigation reflect light? Yes, so we only fired up the pump at sunset so that water ponding across our alluvial flat did not shine like a mirror. In the late afternoon one of us watered as a test and another sat on the rim. Without even looking specifically at the area we were using in the canyon bottom the reflection caught the eye. When you looked down in puzzlement you could see reflections similar to a pond or lake’s reflection from afar. Not cool…
- Could you hear the pump from the canyon rim? Yes, so we added the car muffler. Could you tell where the low echo of a motor was coming from? Possibly, though not easily and certainly not with accuracy in respect to what part of the canyon the sound originated from. So we waited until sunset for any water application to minimize the likelihood that anyone, a rancher, cowboy, hunter, or hiker, could be along the canyon's edge. If they were there at night, all the would hear was an occasional drifting motor sound in the distance. Air movement through the canyon made the sound come and go over 2-5 second intervals.
- Did the growing area reflect at all the day after the flood irrigation? Yes, quite obviously and very out of place in the dry months like May and June (before the summer rains in July and August). The mud reflected somewhat like a mirror from the right angle. So we kept a large stash of leaves on hand at all times and spread them across the flat after watering....all by flashlights of course that we held in our mouths when we needed to use both hands. The nice LED headlamps that are available were not yet invented back in the 1970's. Some headlamps, like the one I own now, even have a red flip-down lense in addition to the typical clear lense. I really could have used such a low-level light back then. From a distance it probably would have been imperceptible. Even our simple flashlights passed our night distance tests when we once again looked at the growsite from the canyon rim in the dark of night. Only a small firefly amount every so often. In 6 years no one saw it as far as we know.
- Were footprints easy to see along the creek and long-lasting? Yes, so we never left footprints anywhere along the creek on our hike in or out which took about 1 ½ hours one-way. In 6 years we saw other footprints only twice; once from a hiker that hiked all the way through the canyon and out (we followed the prints to confirm) and the second time from a helicopter that landed (for who knows what reason) in the only flat in that part of the canyon that was big enough to land in safely. We followed the boot prints back to the flat where we found two helicopter skid imprints in the dirt. We thought maybe we were stretching our explanation a bit too much – a helicopter? No way, but what about those long imprints in the dirt? Closer examination on our knees revealed tiny silver metallic scrapes on the rocks that were imbedded in the dirt there, confirming that we weren’t hallucinating after all. A lot of raptor studies were taking place along riparian zones so it sort of made sense.
It’s always tempting and easier to negate the evidence rather than clearly prove your hypothesis with actual, indisputable evidence. It’s also easy to act like my friend who was growing in a nearby canyon and totally refute any likelihood of a person on the rim seeing him hiking below in the canyon bottom…in his bright straw hat and white t-shirt! His reasoning was that if he couldn’t see someone on the rim from his canyon bottom viewpoint, the same held true for them in reverse. If he had tested his theory (we did) he would have laughed (like we did) at the bright, white object moving around through the bushes below. He watered in the day as well. No wonder he eventually went down. So sad….
I love what you are doing, I just ask any of you gorilla growers out there to clean up, and make sure your fuel lines done leak into natural water sources. It makes you look bad. Half the forest rangers on those tv shows could care less about the weed and only care about environmental damage.
damn wont let me edit. the sister pump was pumping from stream . where i created a deeper pool. at the end of intake i put a soda bottle and weight. so intake stays submerged but not on the bottom sucking up debris.
Are there any electric pumps worth the money? Running a smaller sized guerrilla grow and going to need to fill up a 60gal. rez once a week... Looking for an easier but discreet way to do this instead of hiking back and forth from my water source 6 times with a 5 gallon bucket in each hand.... But also can't be running A loud pump either.
try harbor freight. they got some. make sure to read labels to get strongest one. when i was there there were 2 models. not loud at all . especially compared to a gas one. should work fine for a small 60 gal. look for marine and utility pumps. do not get a bilge pump by mistake.
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Veg N Out
I'm on a Honda WH20X now and Loving it for a gas pump...Soon to be back on gravity...
Double F
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anyone familiar with red lion brand? i like the honda brand but they are easily 2x as expensive. there is an iron lion at my tractor supply that pumps 3900 gph, has a 1.5 inch hole, and is only 200 bucks.
edit: ok nvm, a quick review search at tractor supply shows its a total POS. guess il pony up for the honda.
http://www.tractorsupply.com/red-lion-2-4-hp-engine-driven-water-pump-1023069
edit: ok nvm, a quick review search at tractor supply shows its a total POS. guess il pony up for the honda.
http://www.tractorsupply.com/red-lion-2-4-hp-engine-driven-water-pump-1023069
Here's a few pics of the one I just picked up "In Action" Not gonna lie it's pretty damn loud haha.... Kinda sketches me out and makes me want to make my garden visits "IN&OUT".... I tried giving it a test run today and couldn't get any water to flow.... Realized there was multiple kinks in the hose after I shut her down... A Little surprised it wasn't pushing enough pressure to knock out the kinks.
I hope I have this thing set up right....
I have it hooked up to a 50ft hose so its pretty hard to keep any kinks from forming. Anyone have any techniques on preventing that?
I hope I have this thing set up right....
I have it hooked up to a 50ft hose so its pretty hard to keep any kinks from forming. Anyone have any techniques on preventing that?
what about gas powered pesticide sprayers/blowers?
did you prime the pump? or is it self suctioning
What do you mean by "Prime" there's a little container type thing next to the gas tank that you need to fill up before you start her up so it's not a "dry start" I take back my comments on it... Once you turn her down the noise isn't bad at all and I fill up a 30 gallon rez in about 3 minutes
Thats true,
i remember documentaries citing "poisoning our national parks" where there wasn't any leakage! Sensational headlines are the media motto, just to get folks to tune in or buy papers, truth be damned. according to them all product comes from Mexico and we all know what crap is grown there, stress. Now there have been some Mex Nationals growin in natinal forests but to conclude all med comes from them and we are funding terrorist cartels is sheer folly. The ordinary Joe and Jane don't know any better than to be coddled into believing anything thats on the tube, so getting it off schedule one will be an unfair battle by big pharm.
That's what he means, and I was gonna say, we have these all over the golf course and once u have flow you can run them on near idle. They move a lot of water fast, no need to have them revved up beyond getting it going at first. If you aren't getting suction you can bravely open that cap and pour in water till it catches(can be funny, just be ready to spin that plug back in), or sometimes just opening it a bit itself will cause the water to start flowing.
