Fungus gnats or WINGED ROOT APHIDS???

[kolkatt]

high everyone and best of luck to all yall trying two find a sulution to these little nightmares at first like alot of people i thought dam little fungas gnats
but after reading lola's thread i applied the m.dunks still not a sign of these thangs slowing down i went out and got some schults fugacide active ingredent is a extract of neem oil
the outcome of this is my great new helthy root growth and started to see less little larva or tiny tiny lil thangs move in my drange water moveing around but they are less
after doing two dunk treatmeants of the shults my foilage is still decaing rapidly so all this has renderd my helpless against these basterds
ive never seen any flyers no mature lavea more then probley hum..... say 100 ove them clumped up in about the size ov a nickle in my dranage. i got some bayer advance but un sure that they are RA's i dont want to put imidacloprid all on my babys you know. has anyone ever had these clumps of thangs in there run off water no flyers no fast crawling crawls and still have phantom symtoms what could a cure this problem be without imid. if that even will fix it??????????????
its a nightmare really i woke up in a in the middle of night thankin i had these thangs crawling all over me im begining
to take this as a pesonel challange and declare all out war on these lil f%$ks

 

[kolkatt]

Merit 75 will crush them in veg.. very good product to have around

my veg room is blessedly green and seems too stay thatway till about 15 20 days into flower the phantom stricks again its in rediculas if applided in veg will this help merit 75 stuff help through my flowerin days if so where do i find this stuff and for how much

 

[lilmiss]

high everyone and best of luck to all yall trying two find a sulution to these little nightmares at first like alot of people i thought dam little fungas gnats
but after reading lola's thread i applied the m.dunks still not a sign of these thangs slowing down i went out and got some schults fugacide active ingredent is a extract of neem oil
the outcome of this is my great new helthy root growth and started to see less little larva or tiny tiny lil thangs move in my drange water moveing around but they are less
after doing two dunk treatmeants of the shults my foilage is still decaing rapidly so all this has renderd my helpless against these basterds
ive never seen any flyers no mature lavea more then probley hum..... say 100 ove them clumped up in about the size ov a nickle in my dranage. i got some bayer advance but un sure that they are RA's i dont want to put imidacloprid all on my babys you know. has anyone ever had these clumps of thangs in there run off water no flyers no fast crawling crawls and still have phantom symtoms what could a cure this problem be without imid. if that even will fix it??????????????
its a nightmare really i woke up in a in the middle of night thankin i had these thangs crawling all over me im begining
to take this as a pesonel challange and declare all out war on these lil f%$ks

Yes, those are the aphids. Have you tried a product called Spectracide (triazicide)? It is a chem also but better (imo) than the imid, it stays around less time and is a contact killer.

 

[lilmiss]

my veg room is blessedly green and seems too stay thatway till about 15 20 days into flower the phantom stricks again its in rediculas if applided in veg will this help merit 75 stuff help through my flowerin days if so where do i find this stuff and for how much

Koldatt, one word for you >>Azatrol (or Azamax same thing). It really controlled them in flower for me, didn't get rid of them by any means, but I had no flyers in flower, and my plants stayed green and healthy looking for the most part, yield wasn't as low as when I didn't use it and had flyers. Use it, 30 ml per gallon, as a spray soil drench and lower stem drench (avoid the leaves and buds).

 

[RockyMountainHi]

I can report back, the Bayer tree and shrub seems to have cut the life cycle of my bug issues.

Single dose, 2 teaspoons per gallon, water throrughly. Takes about 7 to 10 days to notice a large drop in numbers - 2 to 3 weeks, I find zero. A friend had the same issue - tiny black flying bugs, I mixed a batch for him - and a week later - he is doing better. (his garden)

I want to re-treat the plants, but can't see any reason to do so; so for now - I will keep both eyes open.


I can also say, No Pest Strips have no effect on gnats or Root Aphids.

hopefully this concludes my experiences with this problem.

Best gardens to you all!

Rocky

 

[kolkatt]

Koldatt, one word for you >>Azatrol (or Azamax same thing). It really controlled them in flower for me, didn't get rid of them by any means, but I had no flyers in flower, and my plants stayed green and healthy looking for the most part, yield wasn't as low as when I didn't use it and had flyers. Use it, 30 ml per gallon, as a spray soil drench and lower stem drench (avoid the leaves and buds).

thanks lilmiss ive been looking for this stuff and cant seem to find it sence im in a perpatual grow style right now im going to dunk the ones just going into flower with the bayer and again 4-5 days later followed by a neem oil treatment 2 timesafter bcuse it really helps to savage whats left of the roots it seems like as for te ones closes to beeing finished best of luck to them imnot poisoningthem only 1 week or soleft on them

hey goodluck and all the best on yalls new set up

 

[EclipseFour20]

Try Botanigard--no chems, just fungus...and it works within days. Multiple rootball dunks are required.

 

[Cannabean]

hi guys

I got a good picture of my root aphids back when I had them at their worst. probably the most destructive of all garden pests. imid ftw.

 

[RockyMountainHi]

hi guys

I got a good picture of my root aphids back when I had them at their worst. probably the most destructive of all garden pests. imid ftw. [/url]

Mighty fine pix here Cannabean! Atta Boy!

Been growing for a while - and you may indeed be right here. Also likely to be seen as "A few gnats" and woefully wrong in that diagnosis.

 

[Canniwhatsis]

That's probably the best pic of root aphids I've ever seen!



Can you show some picks of the topside of the plant to better explain the symptoms of them little fu**s?

 

[Cannabean]

That's probably the best pic of root aphids I've ever seen!
Can you show some picks of the topside of the plant to better explain the symptoms of them little fu**s?

I don't have top pic of that exact plant...I could round up some others...

lets see, here are a bunch of aphids floating in the runoff from a top-fed table.

here are the plants from that flood table, these plants are all heavily infested with mites. you can see the signs of aphids on almost every plant. small plant, spindly, looks like it should be more vigorous than it is, leaves dying, slow shitty flowers if flowering, etc.



but its a telltale sign of aphids if your plant dies faster than it grows and you've determined it is not due to overfert. The leaves look like they are dying/overfert, the plant pretty much stops growing, may continue flowering, but makes extremely weak flowers and the leaves die faster than they should.

 

[lilmiss]

^^ Awesome pix there CannaBeans, wow!! I see so many threads at other places asking why there plants look like yours basically and when I mention pests, I'm ignored! Put that info out there, much respect.

 

[Cannabean]

i zoomed in on a few parts from the full sized pic

look at these little fuckers....that one little bastard is lookin right at me!




The mites have taken bites out of the areas on the roots that is void of hairs and slightly discolored. It will eventually turn brown and break off.

 

[Hydropimp]

I have what looks like fungus gnats when I lift the plant out of the pot in coco.

There is little white crawlers and they jump too. I have shit flying around too. I gave them a full dose of bayer insect killer 30ml/gl. and still see them fuckers walking in my coco.

 

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[RockyMountainHi]

Root aphids do not jump. Springtails are a common jumping bug and are an indication of soil fertility; They are entirely harmless.

I recommend correctly identifying your pests before you begin treatments, particularly if you are willing to use something as toxic as imid.

Uhhh YEAH,,,,, Know thy enemy.

Then declare war - and don't stop till they are all history.


A bug - is not a bug, is not a bug.

What takes care of spidermites - dosen't detur gnats, root aphids or thrips, and to apply "just because" - will come back to bite you in the ass sooner or later.

- And,,for myself and my patients - we like our bud with only what good bud needs in it and around it, nothing extra.


I've heard of springtails - but never had to research them - so either I have none or they don't harm the plants.


I've been in rockwool for a couple years now so, I'm guessing I have no springtailes.


I re-use my rockwool cubes, and have been seeing an occasional black, ittybitty flying bastard, I am working on a good way to strerilize my cubes after harvest. I'm thinking microwave gently. - More later....

 

[Hydropimp]

I have fungus gnats flying around and what crawls in the coco runs quick.

I am still in veg that is why I used imd. I think what is crawling is the fungus gnats offspring.

I caught some and they move fast and hop.

 

[kolkatt]

here i inclosed some pic u can see the damage these little thangs have on the plnts and the roots sorry bout the blur but u can see the coler differ from the bad ones they were all like that. the white roots started comming back after first applacation of the bayer
also i have some vary eary symtoms of the dredded root aphids too on one r two pic lso i hope this wll help people catch it early iv been tryin to figeir out whats up these phantom symtome fror the better part of a year u can never let them beat you man dnt want to thank it but im pretty sure these pest came in with this fox farm soil i pick up

 

[EclipseFour20]

Update...great success using Botanigard! The fungus kills the critters and all you have to do is clean up the pathogens (Insecticidal Soap) and rebuild the roots (mychs, Hygrozyme, Rhizotonic, etc). Here is the link to their procedure--you do need 2-3 applications about 2-3 days apart.

http://www.bioworksinc.com/products/shared/controlling-root-aphids-with-botanigard.pdf

However--I am suspecting the source of contamination is one of the ingredients in my custom soil--consisting mostly of sphagnum peat moss (Promix), pumice and compost...why? I did a test with soil treated/untreated with 7 PPM Bifenthrin (3rd generation synthetic pyrethoroid chemical)--both plants received Imid days after transplant from the clone machine. Results--RA were discovered on the untreated container.

So...treating your soil mix with 5-7 PPM with a synthetic pyrethrin is one option to consider--it is working for me. The half life for this synthetic pyrethrin in healthy soil is under 100 days. I use Ortho BubBGon Max Lawn & Garden Insect Killer Concentrate, 0.3% Bifenthrin at the rate of 71ml for 15 gallons of soil mix...(1 gallon of my soil weighs about 2000 grams and 1 ml of Ortho contains 0.003001 grams of Bifenthrin).

I have zero RAs...and I never stopped my perpetual grow, so yes we can be (ala Charlie Sheen) WINNERS!

 

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